SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 So I was wondering who is the most dangerous of our POV characters thus far. Kaladin, Shallan , or Adolin? For purposes of this tally only named characters count. Minions don’t count.for example Adolin jumps on the battlefield and kills 20 parshendi with his shardblade they don’t count unless that parshendi had a name like Eshonai . Using this guideline who has the most kills ? Who is the most deadliest? Please list the number of kills u tally to the character! U might be surprised who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Has Kaladin even personally killed any named characters except Helaran? I mean he kind of kills Szeth, except in the revised version he only kills Szeth indirectly and Szeth got better anyway. Adolin's killed Sadeas, and arguably Eshonai, though she actually drowned. Actually it's Shallan that's killed the most named characters at two definite kills (she also killed her mom but her mom hasn't been named). That only of these three, if we count Dalinar, he wins. Edited July 6, 2018 by CrazyRioter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Dalinar was kept out on purpose ! He is somewhere around 9 . Kaladin did kill Szeth , helleran, you are correct Shallan has the most kills , she has more than the 3 you named , lets see if someone can remember the others . She is quite the murderress!!! And her mothers name was Brightness Davar , which is adequate for the purposes of the tally . Edited July 6, 2018 by SzethIsBadAsHell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletSabre Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Let's see... Kaladin has Heleran, Szeth, and if you count his guilt over the people he's gotten killed by leading them into rebellions or not being able to save them, quite a few others... I'm probably forgetting one or two. Shallan has Tyn, her father (who's name I forget), her mother, and at least a couple of others I know I'm forgetting... Adolin only has Sadeas and possibly Eshonai to his named kill count. Gotta give it to Shallan, methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 I’m currently at 5 for Shallan , I didn’t realize she has killed so many! When she killed Tyn another personality came out that I think she has not named yet. I’m willing to bet that personality is the one that killed her mother and the sky breaker that was with her mother. I keep thinking she has more murders in the shattered plains ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteLeeopard Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Szeth killed 3 named bridgemen (or more), and the king of Jah keved who I think was named too, but I'm a bit hazy on that one. And was the lawman he killed on the Purelake named? Plus Gavilar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypatia Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Plus Roion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Szeth and Dalinar were excluded for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Investor Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 This is kinda a tilted scenario. Shallan's arc as an information gather requires more detailed interactions, leading to more named antagonist, leading to more fights with named characters. Kal and Adonlin have killed for more people, but their arcs as soldiers require them to be on the battle field, where armies are more important than the individuals. Also, Szeth followed by Dalinar for named, Dalinar followed by Szeth for non-named ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Kaladin had an opportunity to kill Just as many he just always avoids it because he doesn’t like to kill . It’s unreal how many people Szeth and Dalinar have killed so they were taken out . No one has said shallan 5 th murder yet , I’m just wondering will y’all remember ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikey357 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Shallan's named bodycount, Patriarch/Matriarch Davar Tyn Unnamed bodycount Ship of assasins Momma Davar's companion Kabsal died in her presence but she didn't kill him. Racking my brain but cannot count more than 3 named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) Shallan body count Lin Davar brightness Davar (mother) Sky breaker ghostbloods Tyn Tozbeck ship ( burned the whole ship only named guy) And finally the ghostbloods assasin sent after her in shattered plains after meeting Mraize somebody help me I know he had a name As an after thought I should of included Jasnah , I suspect When her story is fully told she will surpass everyone except Dalinar. Edited July 7, 2018 by SzethIsBadAsHell New info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Named characters... 14 minutes ago, SzethIsBadAsHell said: Sky breaker ghostbloods I is confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Calderis said: Named characters... I is confused. Lol you are correct , I counted him at first in error , I could of swore he had a name . The Skybreaker that was working for the ghostbloods , When Shallan ran her mother thru , she killed him at same time. After re reading the incident. I did not see a name . Unless he mentioned in a later area I suppose I should remove him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 I don't think that guy was working for the Ghostbloods, he was just one of Nale's weird groupies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, CrazyRioter said: I don't think that guy was working for the Ghostbloods, he was just one of Nale's weird groupies. Probably so but I could of swore I saw a name for him , perhaps it wasn’t in WoR , maybe he was brought up again in Oathbringer , but I’m almost positive her mother called him by a name. Many people think her mother is unnamed , but because she is a noble by default she is Brightness Davar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikorr Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 (edited) Quote So I was wondering who is the most dangerous of our POV characters thus far. Kaladin, Shallan , or Adolin I'm not sure how you can ask 'who is the most dangerous' and then insist on only counting 'named person' deaths. As an aside - and although this is nit picky, the word 'dangerous' leaves room for interpretation. 'Who is the most dangerous?' mean anything from 'who is the best killer' to 'who can cause the most havoc' - danger is situational. Kaladin is the best open field fighter (of the three), Adolin is the best duelist, and Shallan (in a warzone) can cause the most havoc. Politically, though both of the other two have their distinct advantages, Shallan would be the most dangerous. Edited July 7, 2018 by vikorr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, vikorr said: I'm not sure how you can ask 'who is the most dangerous' and then insist on only counting 'named person' deaths. As an aside - and although this is nit picky, the word 'dangerous' leaves room for interpretation. 'Who is the most dangerous?' mean anything from 'who is the best killer' to 'who can cause the most havoc' - danger is situational. Kaladin is the best open field fighter (of the three), Adolin is the best duelist, and Shallan (in a warzone) can cause the most havoc. Politically, though both of the other two have their distinct advantages, Shallan would be the most dangerous. I have always believed montage: the greatest threat is the one you don’t perceive .while Kaladin may be the superior fighter he often struggles with killing . What happen when he Moash in Kholinar he froze! Most people See Shallan as weak , her mother , skybreaker friend, and most of all Tyn thought her easy pickings , boy were they wrong. Named kills are an effective way I use in most fantasy settings to show. A POV characters lethalness. Try it other fantasy series you like and see if it doesn’t work. More times than not it will surprise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikey357 Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 In terms of lethality, Jasnah outstrips them all. Calm under pressure, skilled beyond belief, and utterly ruthless. Did you see how she owned Thaylen City? I have a feeling that if we had her background her bodycount would be higher than everyone except Dalinar. She's probably toe to toe with Szeth albeit over a longer time frame. If you are giving out categories, Dalinar is most relentless, Szeth is the best at close quarters, Kaladin best open field, Adolin best duelist, Shallan best at psychological warfare, Jasnah best magically. Given unlimited Stormlight I choose Jasnah against any army on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bigmikey357 said: In terms of lethality, Jasnah outstrips them all. Calm under pressure, skilled beyond belief, and utterly ruthless. Did you see how she owned Thaylen City? I have a feeling that if we had her background her bodycount would be higher than everyone except Dalinar. She's probably toe to toe with Szeth albeit over a longer time frame. If you are giving out categories, Dalinar is most relentless, Szeth is the best at close quarters, Kaladin best open field, Adolin best duelist, Shallan best at psychological warfare, Jasnah best magically. Given unlimited Stormlight I choose Jasnah against any army on Roshar. Have you ever seen primal fear , Richard gere is a lawyer defending an alter boy accused of killing a priest . The boy is passive and has an alter ego named Roy that comes out and. Kills anybody that threatens the little boy. That’s how I see shallan . A lot of people will die because they don’t perceive her as a threat . So they are not prepared. And Shallan will kill a person and won’t feel bad like Kaladin. Yeah Jasnah is just as deadly ! Problem is everyone knows it and they won’t underestimate her. If they come for Jasnah they coming heavy or not at all .they might send a single or duo against shallan not realizing she will kill them just as fast . Tell the truth were you not shocked when she killed Tyn. I was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Shallan does not have DID. She does not have multiple personalities. Her personas are masks the she wears, but they are all her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmikey357 Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 As a woman in a patriarchal society Jasnah is going to be at least slightly underestimated. Shallan can be scary, true, but her gifts don't lie in offensive magic. There's an upper limit to her lethality as her magic doesn't lend to defeating multiple opponents, not at least until she discovers how to make lazers with Illumination. Jasnah though, she's adapted her magic into a fighting style as scary as anything I've ever seen in fantasy. You must come hard at Jasnah because she can probably beat an army. Shallan can hold an army off if they cannot distinguish what is real and what is Illusion, but unless someone is taking advantage of the distractions she provides that army is still around when the Stormlight runs out. When Jasnah's Stormlight runs out she's surrounded by a field of crystalline corpses and smoke. I believe that only a Releaser will end up being more terrifying to face in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Shallan does have access to Soulcasting, so she could theoretically do what Jasnah does. When she learns how she may actually be scarier than Jasnah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Another one who has a bunch of kills is Moash: Lewishi, Elhokar and Jezrien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzethIsBadAsHell Posted July 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Calderis said: Shallan does not have DID. She does not have multiple personalities. Her personas are masks the she wears, but they are all her. Yeah that kind of makes her more deadly not less deadly , thanks for making my argument . If you watch the movie primal fear , Roy does not have DiD either. The scared kid is a mask . Roy is his real personality . He wears the mask to get out. Of trouble . After shallan kills Tyn , she becomes ice cold , growling and screaming at Tyn , and at Gaz. That is the real shallan : she acts helpless and scared 90 percent of the time . “Tyn’s corpse slid back off the weapon, collapsing in a heap. “Difficult things,” Shallan growled. “Yes. I believe I told you. I’ve learned that lesson already. Thank you.” She crawled to her feet, wobbling. The tent flap ripped open and Shallan turned, holding up the Shardblade point-first toward the opening. Vathah, Gaz, and a few other soldiers stopped there in a jumble, weapons bloodied. They looked from Shallan to the corpse on the floor with its burned-out eyes, then back to Shallan. She felt numb. She wanted to dismiss the Blade, hide it. It was terrible. She did not. She crushed those emotions and hid them deep within. At the moment, she needed something strong to hold to, and the weapon served that purpose. Even if she hated it. “Tyn’s soldiers?” Was that her voice, completely cold, purged of emotion? “Stormfather!” Vathah said, stepping into the tent, hand to his chest as he stared at the Shardblade. “That night, when you pled with us, you could have killed us every one, and the bandits too. You could have done it on your own—” “Tyn’s men!” Excerpt From Words of Radiance Brandon Sandersonhttps://itunes.apple.com/us/book/words-of-radiance/id717847678?mt=11 This material may be protected by copyright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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