[OB] Moash’s dagger

[Rand al’Thorres]

If a Herald truly die, this wanna mean that another one can be named as Herlad? Was Honor who "create" Heralds, right?

[Magpro]

Maybe, but i think this act of Moash was more to remove the threat of Heralds being reinstated. I think throught the entire 10 books, we are going to see all the heralds die. Some killed and the remaining giving up the investiture in the end and going to the afterlife.

Edited July 9, 2018 by FahadWajid

[Fire&Water]

I’m not convinced that Jezrien is dead. Ash could have been feeling his soul being moved somewhere else, not necessarily into the Spiritual Realm

[StrikerEZ he/him]

6 hours ago, Fire&Water said:

I’m not convinced that Jezrien is dead. Ash could have been feeling his soul being moved somewhere else, not necessarily into the Spiritual Realm

Souls don't go into the Spiritual Realm when people pass on from the Cognitive Realm, they go into the Beyond. 

I think what Ash and the others felt was that Jezrien was ripped from the Oathpact itself.

[Bigmikey357 he/him]

Thought of something while listening to the podcast about the Heralds concerning Moash and the dagger. What if him killing Jezrian has something to do with Kaladin and the Windrunner Order. Crazy speculation. Moash is a villain that had he not turned would have been a Windrunner squire and probably would have eventually attracted an honorspren. What if it isn't coincidental that Moash, a potential Windrunner corrupted by Odium, was sent to kill the Herald associated with the Order he'd have joined? What if that connection was needed in order to make the dagger work like it did? It would make sense because Moash is the only proto-Radient Odium has turned so far, otherwise why strike and give warning to the surviving Heralds? Odium surely knows that they are connected and to strike one means all will feel it. If this is indeed the case then the conditions that need to be met to permanently kill a Herald are as follows: a dagger/sword/knife made of Odium's godmetal, the gemstone associated with the Order of the Herald to be killed, and at least a proto-Radient corrupted by Odium to wield the blade. 

[Watchcry he/him]

On 7/4/2018 at 11:53 PM, Calderis said:

The dagger, in my opinion, ripped the investiture that bound Jezrien to the Oathpact out of his soul, which forced him to go beyond. The power keeping him bound to life was removed, and placed into the gemstone.

I don't think it is akin to hemalurgy, though I understand why it's viewed as such. I think stabbing him anywhere would have latched onto the power suffusing him and stripped it away. 

Didn't the Fused give Vyre the gemstone along with the honorblade? I'm pretty sure he breathed in the investiture. 

[Calderis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Watchcry said:

Didn't the Fused give Vyre the gemstone along with the honorblade? I'm pretty sure he breathed in the investiture. 

No, he was specifically handed a different sphere to infuse with. 

Quote

“Vyre,” she said. “Join us in the sky. You have a work.” She and the others Lashed themselves upward.
Join us in the sky. The Honorblades, Graves had told him, gave their powers to any who held them.
Hesitant, Moash took the sphere that Khen offered. “What was that she said? Vyre?” She had said it in a way that rhymed with “fire.”
“It’s one of their names,” Khen said. “I’ve been told it means He Who Quiets.”
Vyre, He Who Quiets, sucked in the light of the sphere.
It was sweet and beautiful, and—as he’d been promised—brought Passion with it. He held to it, then Lashed himself upward into the sky.

 

[Watchcry he/him]

2 hours ago, Calderis said:

No, he was specifically handed a different sphere to infuse with. 

 

I was referring to that same quote as well. I'm pretty sure it's the gemstone from the dagger. 

[Calderis he/him]

14 minutes ago, Watchcry said:

I was referring to that same quote as well. I'm pretty sure it's the gemstone from the dagger. 

It's a random sphere. After the events of that death, it would have at least been named as a sapphire. 

There is no way that that gemstone gets written off without description.