Connection Between The Shards And The Metallic Arts

[Omniforce he/him]

I was just reading through Leyrann's theory on how the surges relate to the shards and their Intents. One of his arguments about Odium and Devotion got me to thinking. He argues that Odium pushes emotions to extremes, often leading to negative consequences, while Devotion has a more calming and soothing effect. You guys can see where I'm going here. According to WoB, there is a pattern to both the shards and the metallic arts. While the connection between the shards and metals might not all be as clear cut as Odium=Rioting and Devotion=Soothing, I'm sure we can figure out the rest. So far the only other connection I've made is with Cadmium, Bendalloy, and a slightly shaky one with Nicrosil. Cadmium, with it's time slowing effect, would slow down the entropic decay of those inside the bubble. This fits quite well with Preservation. On the other hand, Bendalloy speeds up the entropic decay of those inside the bubble. This fits Ruin. Nicrosil enhances the allomantic abilities of others. This could fit with Endowment her granting power to others. That's all I can think of for right now. Of course most of this totally off the cuff, so feel free to disagree. And if you can make any other connections please do share.

In Summary; Odium=Zinc, Devotion=Brass, Preservation=Cadmium, Ruin=Bendalloy, and Endowment=Nicrosil

[Apollyon he/him]

@OmniforceWhat of Autonomy? Autonomy’s intent doesn’t seem to match any of the metals in the slightest.

[RShara she/her]

Brandon has said that the Shards do not have a directly paired opposing intent, and each of the metals does.

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Shardbound [PENDING REVIEW]

Do all Shards have a direct paired opposite intent...

Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]

No, I would say no, they do not all have a directly paired opposite intent.

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[Omniforce he/him]

 

1 hour ago, RShara said:

Brandon has said that the Shards do not have a directly paired opposing intent, and each of the metals does.

 

Key words, not all. Ruin and Preservation are opposed, with Cultivation making it a trio. I know what you mean though. I'm just trying to make connections. It should be noted that pushing and pulling aren't the only classifications that matter in this. The 4 quadrants and external and internal classifications also play a part I would bet. I just can't figure it out yet.

1 hour ago, Apollyon said:

@OmniforceWhat of Autonomy? Autonomy’s intent doesn’t seem to match any of the metals in the slightest.

Any number of metals could in my mind. Steel or Iron for the ability to manipulate external objects (Autonomy seems to be very active). Duralumin fits most in my head though. An ability that increase it's users other abilities to unimaginable heights, allowing them to single-handedly accomplish feats that not even larges group working together could...sounds like something any autonomous person would want.

[Weltall]

Given that Brandon has repeatedly stated that the Intents of the Shards have virtually nothing to do with what you can actually do with their power but are important in how you access it in the first place, trying to map Intents to the powers of one specific magic system is just a little bit of a reach.

Besides, there's already a link between the Metallic Arts and the Shards: The godmetals. Preservation's metal isn't cadmium, it's lerasium. Ruin's metal isn't bendalloy, it's atium. The other fourteen don't inherently work for Scadrian magic but they theoretically could if the Shards took the right steps. Something that 'Trell' at least has evidently done, since that godmetal was able to make viable hemalurgic spikes.

Edited April 22, 2018 by Weltall

[RShara she/her]

33 minutes ago, Omniforce said:

 

Key words, not all. Ruin and Preservation are opposed, with Cultivation making it a trio. I know what you mean though. I'm just trying to make connections. It should be noted that pushing and pulling aren't the only classifications that matter in this. The 4 quadrants and external and internal classifications also play a part I would bet. I just can't figure it out yet.

Any number of metals could in my mind. Steel or Iron for the ability to manipulate external objects (Autonomy seems to be very active). Duralumin fits most in my head though. An ability that increase it's users other abilities to unimaginable heights, allowing them to single-handedly accomplish feats that not even larges group working together could...sounds like something any autonomous person would want.

Yes, I should have said "Not all the Shards have directly opposing intents."  They still would then not be able to fit perfectly into the Allomantic chart, though.

[Omniforce he/him]

37 minutes ago, Weltall said:

Given that Brandon has repeatedly stated that the Intents of the Shards have virtually nothing to do with what you can actually do with their power but are important in how you access it in the first place, trying to map Intents to the powers of one specific magic system is just a little bit of a reach.

Besides, there's already a link between the Metallic Arts and the Shards: The godmetals. Preservation's metal isn't cadmium, it's lerasium. Ruin's metal isn't bendalloy, it's atium. The other fourteen don't inherently work for Scadrian magic but they theoretically could if the Shards took the right steps. Something that 'Trell' at least has evidently done, since that godmetal was able to make viable hemalurgic spikes.

I know what you're talking about, but I'm thinking about how the metals and their effects might relate to the shardic intents, trying to find if there is some sort of common pattern between them. I know that shard's intents don't have a huge affect on what their systems can do, but Leras had a lot of power over allomancy. Maybe it isn't just there being 16 metals that is important. Maybe he designed the system to fit the same pattern that the shards follow. At this point it's mostly conjecture, and maybe the premise is flawed, but you never make progress without going down a few wrong paths.

As for your comment RShara, I know it isn't a perfect 1-to-1. It's less about saying shard=metal, but more about finding a common pattern between the two, if there is one. And in all honest, it's entirely possible that we wouldn't be able to make the right connections at this point. We know so little about the shards after all.

[Fatikis he/him]

It is an interesting idea. I don't think I buy into it, but I am interested.

I would say Steel would be Dominion trying to spread itself out.
A possible Iron would be Honor. As Honor binds things together.
Perhaps Ambition as Duralumin as it ambitiously burns your other reserves.

Autonomy seems to have a connection to gold. Gold as a representation of the sun. Miles who is heavily influence by Autonomy was a gold compounder. Directly I don't see how the effects of gold are anything like Autonomy, but it is an interesting note.

Kind of a neat idea. I don't think it will turn out to be true, but it is possible that the metals are related but not directly to the shards. Kind of a parody of the shardic intents.

Edit: Gold lets you see another version of yourself, but it is yourself. Autonomy is creating avatars of itself. A weird connection.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Fatikis

[teknopathetic he/him]

Gold - Autonomy makes sense, as being "hurt" or "disabled" could be the opposite of being autonomous. 

Copper -> Cultivation makes sens with Fer, because you plant your memories and then use them when they are needed. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by teknopathetic