Popular Post Tineye Navigator Posted March 29, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) I have been working on a theory about the God Metals. Most Specifically Lerasium, but also Atium. I mean Brandon did say this: Quote Brandon Sanderson Suffice it to say that what people both in the books and out think about the god metals has some holes in it. source So I am going to start with the metal we know most about, which is not the main metal that I want to discuss. First Atium, in Allomancy, then Atium in Hemalurgy Here’s what we know. Atium allows the user to see the future, or at least a shadow of the future. It acts similar to electrum, only that you see other’s future. Also electrum is one of the 16 normal metals, and Atium is a god metal. Being a God metal, it behaves differently than normal metals. This WoB helps explain. Quote Brandon Sanderson Atium's Mechanism Atium is, indeed, different from the other metals. When you burn most Allomantic metals, it opens a conduit through which you can draw upon Preservation's power and use it in very specific ways. Atium doesn't do that. Atium is, itself, a fuel. When you burn it, the metal itself provides the power. A subtle distinction, I know, but it has to do with where the power is coming from. Most Allomancy is fueled by Preservation, but atium and malatium are fueled by Ruin. This metal doesn't quite belong on the table where it has been placed. source Allomancy is fueled by Preservation, but not atium or malatium, and that is because Atium is literally the condensed form of Ruin’s power. So remembering that, let’s go back to what Atium does. Sanderson has stated that it allows you to peer into the Spiritual realm, as done by Elend, in HoA. It allowed him to look to the future, because in the Spiritual realm, “time, locations and possibilities conflate”(quote from Brandon) Atium, or the power of ruin allows you to change the future. That can only be done in the spirit realm, but the effects can be seen in the Physical realm. Now that I’ve discussed Atium Allomancy, It’s time to switch to Hemalurgy. Hemalurgy is already mostly associated with Ruin, because it is an end-negative type of magic. But Atium Hemalurgy is the most effective form of hemalurgy, and can steal any other trait, and do so better. It’s like the wild card. (I think there’s a quote that says that somewhere) And of course Feruchemy. Feruchemy allows Atium to store age. When storing it, you become older, and when tapping it, you become younger. I can’t be certain, but I feel like your age would be part of your spiritual DNA, as it would be part of your ideal self at any given moment. So to recap so far. Atium Allomancy you can see into the Spiritual realm and change the future. Atium Hemalurgy allows you to basically become anything you want, changing your spiritual DNA, and Atium Feruchemy allow you to change your spiritual DNA. Lerasium, as we know has one side effect of making someone become a full mistborn, apparently, without having to snap. It can also rewrite sDNA. So the difference between the God metals and the other 16 metals seem to be that Normal metals, change things in the physical or cognitive realm. They manipulate matter, and thoughts(The exception being gold and electrum. They allow you to see a small portion of the spiritual realm, but can’t manipulate it). God metals, however seem to be able to manipulate the spiritual realm. With that in mind, Here is where my theory really starts to get speculative. Lerasium. We know that there is at least one major difference between Lerasium and Atium in that anyone can burn Lerasium, while only someone who is already a mistborn can burn atium. And hopefully I will get to that. In a few minutes. Lerasium has a different purpose in Allomancy. Pinning it’s purpose is very difficult, because that’s where Sanderson hasn’t revealed anything to us yet. We know a side effect is that you become an allomancer. But it’s purpose is not to make you an allomancer. That just happens. So let’s return to how Allomancy works again. Among the 16 standard metals, there is a push and a pull for each force used. Steel pushes, Iron pulls. Pewter pushes your abilities, tin pulls your senses. Zinc pulls, Brass pushes, etc. So everything seems to have it’s opposite, just like ruin and preservation are opposites. Each metal, when burned against each other seems to cancel out it’s opposite. Based off that, I would assume that the God metals, made from the power and bodies of opposite Gods ought to be opposites to each other. And that is why I discussed Atium so much. We must know what something does in order to determine it’s opposite. My conclusion from atium allomancy is that atium allows the user to change the future. So, The opposite of changing the future, is changing your past. We had the answer in front of us the whole time. Gold and Electrum contained the hidden answer. A hundred questions begin to run through the head now. The first one that came to my mind is if he could change the past, how come we didn’t have some sort of “wrinkle in time” or “time turner” effects, giving way to a repeat of the first book, except where Elend has allomantic powers? Honestly that was confusing for a while, until I realized that Sanderson has already shown us that an object’s past can be rewritten to only affect it in the present. Forgery. As long as the past is sufficiently believable, then the past of the object can be changed, but it only takes effect as soon as the stamp is placed. So why does that happen, both with forgery, and with Lerasium? Because the Cosmere has three realms. Shai gives us the answer, when speaking with Gaotona: Quote “ All things exist in three Realms, Gaotona. Physical, Cognitive, Spiritual. The Physical is what we feel, what is before us. The Cognitive is how an object is viewed and how it views itself. The Spiritual Realm contains an object’s soul— its essence— as well as the ways it is connected to the things and people around it. ” The stamp in forgery changes the cognitive view, and the spiritual essence of an object. Just like the bead does when burned. “Well that’s all fine and dandy, but that still doesn’t explain how the anyone is able to burn Lerasium How do you explain that, Tineye?” Good question. Here goes. We have to remember that allomancy isn’t fueled by the metal. That’s just a key, like the aons in aondor. The actual fuel for allomancy is preservation itself. You need to have enough preservation inside of you in order to use allomancy. If I swallow an iron pill, then I will have more iron in my blood. If I swallow a bead of pure preservation, it makes sense that I would have more preservation inside of me. It literally becomes part of me. That also explains why it is additive, and not an overwrite. The more preservation you consume, the more preservation is inside of you. I would argue that with enough preservation, perhaps the amount in a bead, you would be able to bypass the snapping just due to the sheer amount that gets added to your spiritual DNA., or if not bypass it, somehow create an artificial snap. Rewriting a soul seem's like that would be traumatic enough, at least on the spiritual level, if not cognitive or physical. Snapping is just another way to get added preservation and investiture inside you. But it does so by cracking your sDNA, much more painful than just adding on to your sDNA by ingesting preservation. So that explains how someone, who knows what they are doing could have different effects with lerasium as Brandon has said. Lerasium somehow causes a mutation that adds the genetic ability to burn metals to a person’s DNA. Unfortunately, Brandon has said that Lerasium cannot give powers other than Allomancy Quote Questioner Did Hoid use the bead of lerasium to rewrite his spiritual DNA or Web in a way other than just giving himself allomantic powers? Brandon Sanderson His goal was to become an Allomancer. Questioner And did he use it to create other powers than Allomancy? Brandon Sanderson It could not give powers other than allomancy. Questioner Because it’s lerasium? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Oversleep So he did burn it and become a Mistborn, right? Brandon Sanderson You have seen him use Allomancy… Oversleep Yes, because it’s creating a lot of <misunderstandings>. Brandon Sanderson You have actually seen him use Allomancy. Footnote: Brandon still refuses to say whether Hoid did burn lerasiumsource My purpose in developing this theory was to find out what a lerasium spike would do, or a lerasium metalmind. So I’m not done yet. Even though it’s like the equivalent of 3 pages in microsoft word already. If Atium allomancy is actually powered by ruin, then wouldn’t that mean that lerasium hemalurgy would be powered by preservation? And doesn’t that cause a problem with the nature of hemalurgy, which is end-negative? Maybe. So that means one possible answer is that Lerasium hemalurgy, effectively does nothing. Stabbing someone with Lerasium does nothing but make them bleed. That is even backed up by the idea that they are opposites. Atium can steal everything, better than anything else, so lerasium can’t steal anything But that doesn’t seem right. Brandon wouldn’t do that to us. He’s RAFO’d it too often to have it be a complete dud. So the other Idea I have is that it's some form of perfected hemalurgy, where the spike doesn't actually steal the powers, but copies it, or in other words forges another copy of the spiritweb that contains the allomantic power, allowing for that type of Hemalurgy to be end positive. Looking at Hemalurgy, I have difficulty finding how pushing metals and pulling metals are related or if they are based off another relation. So I am afraid that I wasn’t able to find out anything concrete about hemalurgy yet. I now know less than I thought I new on the subject before I started studying it. (HELP!!)(My mission was a bust) But I will look at Feruchemy real quick before finishing this post. Feruchemy, though not explicitly stated on the coppermind seems to still be split somewhat where opposite metals still have opposite powers. It’s not perfect, but it’s easier to make that argument than it was with hemalurgy, which doesn’t even have a table on the coppermind. So that would mean that it’s somehow related to age. I also want to look at Hoid, who we know had lerasium, and even though Brandon has confirmed that he used allomancy, he hasn’t confirmed explicitely that he burned lerasium in order to do so. So maybe he used lerasium as a metalmind??? I didn’t dedicate a lot of time pondering what a lerasium metalmind might do, but here are some ideas of what I came up with, while looking at some attributes of Wit and Hoid. Maturity(kind of like mental age), Innovation(Stores the ability to create new things) timeliness(stores the ability to be timely) Obviously this theory is far from complete, so I would appreciate any insight that you all have that I may have missed. This theory does need to be revised in order to provide more information about hemalurgy and feruchemy. And as we get more information about metallic arts in future books and revelations, I will modify my theory in order to keep it accurate. Edited March 31, 2018 by Tineye Navigator All good theories ought to be edited when contradictory information, or new information is presented 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatikis Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) I don't think the opposite powers bit holds up. I doubt lesarium is going to change your past or have no hemalurgic effect. I agree Lesarium hemalurgy should be powered by Preservation. I believe all Godmetals will be a wild card allowing any power transfer. For example Trellium seems to be able to hold multiple powers. This means Atium's true Hemalurgic purpose is unknown. In which case Lesarium should be a perfect spike not subject to hemalurgic decay. Maybe it even amplifies the power taken via Preservation. Edited March 29, 2018 by Fatikis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Overall this is remarkably well thought out. I can see the appeal of it, but I unfortunately don't agree. My main issue is the idea that lerasium creates a Mistborn who doesn't have to snap. Snapping isn't a means of getting more Preservation into the soul, it's a means of allowing investiture to flow into the spiritweb from an external source, and it is a constant effect. It is the reason Radiants must be "broken." Lerasium alters the spiritual DNA. As such, it makes a person's spirit the same as if they had been born as a Mistborn. This should still require then to have snapped. Elend had been through the ritualistic beating that all noble children suffer, plus everything else that had happened in the books, including the gut wound at the well. He had been through more than enough to have snapped at that point. You don't have to be an allomancer to snap, it just isn't called the same thing when a non-mainstream user does it, because they gain nothing from it other than trauma. As far as the allomantic effect of lerasium, I think it's a fun idea and makes sense as an opposite a kind of permanent forgery. I like it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatikis Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Calderis said: Overall this is remarkably well thought out. I can see the appeal of it, but I unfortunately don't agree. My main issue is the idea that lerasium creates a Mistborn who doesn't have to snap. Snapping isn't a means of getting more Preservation into the soul, it's a means of allowing investiture to flow into the spiritweb from an external source, and it is a constant effect. It is the reason Radiants must be "broken." Lerasium alters the spiritual DNA. As such, it makes a person's spirit the same as if they had been born as a Mistborn. This should still require then to have snapped. Elend had been through the ritualistic beating that all noble children suffer, plus everything else that had happened in the books, including the gut wound at the well. He had been through more than enough to have snapped at that point. You don't have to be an allomancer to snap, it just isn't called the same thing when a non-mainstream user does it, because they gain nothing from it other than trauma. As far as the allomantic effect of lerasium, I think it's a fun idea and makes sense as an opposite a kind of permanent forgery. I like it. I disagree slightly. I believe snapping is now required to let more of Preservation, but I think this is due to genetic drift. If you have the full correct Mistborn sDNA you shouldn't need to snap. This is essentially what the Lesarium is doing. It alters you into a true sDNA Mistborn. Elend is even stronger than Vin. This implies that even standard full Mistborn don't have the full sDNA possible for Allomancy because of this snapping is required to let Preservation fill those cracks essentially amplifying the watered down sDNA. Snapping in my opinion is letting Preservation fill the cracks in the allomantic sDNA. Edited March 29, 2018 by Fatikis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tineye Navigator Posted March 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 @CalderisThanks for the feedback. I think I will edit that part of my original post. @Fatikis(your name won't let me tag you) That makes sense, and that's what I originally thought, but more studying of WoB seems to show that the more powerful the mistborn the more trauma might be needed to create the snapping. What about if the permanent forgery forged a traumatic experience into the childhood, prior to being able to remember the event? i.e. as an infant or young toddler? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tineye Navigator Posted March 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, Fatikis said: I don't think the opposite powers bit holds up. I doubt lesarium is going to change your past or have no hemalurgic effect. I agree Lesarium hemalurgy should be powered by Preservation. I believe all Godmetals will be a wild card allowing any power transfer. For example Trellium seems to be able to hold multiple powers. This means Atium's true Hemalurgic purpose is unknown. In which case Lesarium should be a perfect spike not subject to hemalurgic decay. Maybe it even amplifies the power taken via Preservation. I definitely agree with your second paragraph. I feel like my knowledge of what a lerasium spike would do was actually weakened by my research, but it will definitely be a wildcard. And I don't think it will do nothing either, but that was the only "conclusion" I could come up with. My other idea was that it wouldn't "steal" the power, but duplicate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatikis Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tineye Navigator said: My other idea was that it wouldn't "steal" the power, but duplicate it. I could definitely see that. It could function as a nonlethal hemalurgy replicating the sDNA instead of taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustine Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I like some of these ideas. Let me spitball with you all a minute. Brandon has been asked if Hoid burned the bead and if Hoid is a mistborn many times. He seems to answer, you have seen Hoid use Allomancy. Does anyone know if a time where Brandon answered directly? I've looked and can't find any. This leaves some interesting questions. Have we seen Hoid use Allomancy more than once? More than one ability? Is it possible Hoid used the bead to make a small, non lethal spike to transfer abilities? This could mean he "copied" a soother or rioter. I'm trying to think about the types of word mazes Brandon uses to give non answers to spoilery questions when an RAFO and also be spoilery... What if the proud owner of a Lerasium spike can "poke" Sacadrians with different talents? The perfect spike theory above makes this possible. The spike will get a new "charge" with each new "poke". This would fit with Brandon telling us Hoid intends to be a Mistborn but not telling us he burned the bead. This also gets around the known fact that Hoid can not seriously injure people without throwing up. Sorry this is kind of stream of consciousness at the moment. I hope the forthcoming table of Hemalurgy give us more clues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CadCom Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I really enjoyed reading this. I think there are some good ideas, but some are a bit of a stretch I think. I think you just need more WoB at this point to strengthen it. Unfortunately for you, at this time, I don't think there are any more. @Augustine I think stream of consciousness is the best way to begin theories, so keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidpen Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hmm. I like this theory a lot, it's one of the first huge one's I read all the way through, but my main problem is with the thoughts on Feruchemy. Copper and brass are the opposites, but warmth and memories don't seem like opposites. Of course, you didn't look that much into it, so I get that there is not much to theorize about there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naurock Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Augustine said: Brandon has been asked if Hoid burned the bead and if Hoid is a mistborn many times. He seems to answer, you have seen Hoid use Allomancy. Does anyone know if a time where Brandon answered directly? I've looked and can't find any. This leaves some interesting questions. Have we seen Hoid use Allomancy more than once? More than one ability? Is it possible Hoid used the bead to make a small, non lethal spike to transfer abilities? This could mean he "copied" a soother or rioter. I'm trying to think about the types of word mazes Brandon uses to give non answers to spoilery questions when an RAFO and also be spoilery... I've seen it postulated before on the forum that Hoid alloyed out the bead to make himself a Misting. I think it's just just as simple as Hoid burned it and Brandon enjoys being coy and letting us overanalyze all of his quotes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Naurock said: I've seen it postulated before on the forum that Hoid alloyed out the bead to make himself a Misting. I think it's just just as simple as Hoid burned it and Brandon enjoys being coy and letting us overanalyze all of his quotes. Yeah, Brandon is a troll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) It would be' only a waste to Alloy the Lerasium to burn It and become a Misting...no real gain in not burning pure Lerasium Edited April 1, 2018 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishar Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 It is an interesting theory. We definetly don’t know enough about Hemalurgy and Lerasium to come up with any sort of conclusive answers. Something where I think you might be wrong though is Lerasium being an opposite of Atium. We know that the 16 regular metals are all in pairs, and then there are pairs of pairs, making 4 groups of 4. The initial pairs are always the first metal, and an alloy of it. Those are the ones that are opposite. This would mean that atium’s opposite is malatium. This would probably mean that Lerasium falls into the same group of four as atium, but is not atium’s direct opposite, meaning Lerasium could do pretty much anything, although it most likely has to do with time and the spirit realm. About Lerasium spikes, is it possible that you end up with a spike that not only has perfect hemalurgy, but grants any other spikes you have perfect hemalurgy as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 @Ishar Atium and Malatium are not opposite. Malatium is just an alloy of Atium and Gold and will form a pair with the Atium+Electrum alloy. Atium as pure metal isn't part of a pair and the same thing is true for Lerasium. Notice also that the "opposite" stuff isn't strictly true even into the pair and it's just an human's perception from a limited sample of powers....For example take Lerasium+Iron and Lerasium+Steel, their effects are to turn someone into a Lurcher and Coinshooter, you may notice how those effects are not opposite in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 21 hours ago, Kidpen said: Hmm. I like this theory a lot, it's one of the first huge one's I read all the way through, but my main problem is with the thoughts on Feruchemy. Copper and brass are the opposites, but warmth and memories don't seem like opposites. Of course, you didn't look that much into it, so I get that there is not much to theorize about there. There's two things to keep in mind there. First, Feruchemy doesn't have clear opposites like Allomancy does, and second, Brandon messed up the Feruchemical table, swapping the effects of Warmth and Determination (I don't remember the metals they belonged to), and he decided to leave it in as a quirk of the system because the first books were already in print by the time it was discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwalker Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Quote This metal doesn't quite belong on the table where it has been placed. this quote from Brandon suggests something a question I've had ever since I read the hero of Ages and learn that atium was the condensed power of ruin is that if ruin and preservation have a metal that can be burned in allomancy why don't other shards have metals that can be burned in allomancy and then I read edgedancer and either right before or right after Wyndle turns into a fork he says that spren can change into any form but it always has to be metal and then something clicked what if there are two tables one for all the god medals and their alloys and the regular metals and their alloys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MountainKing Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Maybe lerasium works like a forgery and rewrites your past so that you are a true mistborn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 What if Hoid did make alloys out of the lerasium, due to the possibility that some mistborn abilities conflict with what he already has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrann Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 16 hours ago, NoBrandonBookIsTooLong said: this quote from Brandon suggests something a question I've had ever since I read the hero of Ages and learn that atium was the condensed power of ruin is that if ruin and preservation have a metal that can be burned in allomancy why don't other shards have metals that can be burned in allomancy and then I read edgedancer and either right before or right after Wyndle turns into a fork he says that spren can change into any form but it always has to be metal and then something clicked what if there are two tables one for all the god medals and their alloys and the regular metals and their alloys Quite possible, but the question is how "opposite" they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzik Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 @NoBrandonBookIsTooLong, each godmetal can be alloyed with each base metal (lerasium+iron, lerasium+steel, etc.), so there would be many tables. 17+ to be more specific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) On 4/16/2018 at 11:16 AM, NoBrandonBookIsTooLong said: this quote from Brandon suggests something a question I've had ever since I read the hero of Ages and learn that atium was the condensed power of ruin is that if ruin and preservation have a metal that can be burned in allomancy why don't other shards have metals that can be burned in allomancy Because allomancers are generally not going to have any Connection to Shards other than Preservation and Ruin, so trying to burn 'Tanavastium' isn't going to accomplish anything. Quote word_thief What would happen if a Mistborn ingested the metal of a Shardblade/plate? Brandon Sanderson A shardblade is invested. A Mistborn isn't likely to have a tie to that type of Investiture. So probably nothing would happen… source Quote Shadowsaber223 If Odium were lured to Scadrial, would his physical body turn into a burnable metal? If so, could Harmony create an Odium-metal legion of Mistings to consume and burn it? Would that weaken him sufficiently enough to be killed or destroyed? Brandon Sanderson The difficulty here is, again, one of Identity. People born on Scadrial have an Identity tied to it and its magic. Odium would have to do certain things to make them able to use a magic he fuels. He has done these things on Roshar, so it's not impossible for him to manage it on Scadrial. source Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Can a Mistborn burn any physical form of Investiture? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] No. Well-- possible with work, but naturally, no. source Basically, non-Scadrian godmetals will only work if the Shard does something to make the metal viable or if the allomancer is able to form the right sort of Connection to the other Shard. 23 hours ago, MountainKing said: Maybe lerasium works like a forgery and rewrites your past so that you are a true mistborn. Since there were no mistborn prior to the lerasium beads, this is sort of adding an unnecessary step to the process. There may be some mechanical similarities (in that both modify the spiritweb) I doubt they're that closely related. Edited April 17, 2018 by Weltall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwalker Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) I wasn't saying that mistborns could start burning Shard plates, what I was trying to resolve was the conflict of where Atium belongs on the table and how there are likely to be many subcategories as metals that we may have to look into, what we consider to be the basic metals maybe just one of two tables that should be considered basic, not to mention that considering preservation was looking to connect his interference with signs a god had interfered that just the number 16 could have been considered an oddity but also having just metals also connects him to a pattern Within the 16 shards also we should be asking why does investiture's solid form have to be metal Edited April 18, 2018 by NoBrandonBookIsTooLong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Brandon literally said that non-Scadrian godmetals are not viable in the Metallic Arts under normal circumstances, that's pretty definitive. For point one, everyone on Scadrial has Connection to both Preservation and Ruin because they made the planet and permeate it. It's kind of an essential plot point. For point two, just because the godmetals are the condensed power of a Shard still does not mean that they are automatically usable. See Brandon's multiple WoBs on how you need Connection. And burning atium doesn't deplete Ruin's power per se and it eventually gets recycled. What happened in Hero of Ages was just keeping that part of Ruin's power out of his reach so he couldn't absorb it. For the last point, magic systems are not created by the Shards as such, they're the result of interactions between the Shard, the planet and the sDNA of the people on it. Preservation and Ruin didn't 'base' the metals on anything, it just happened that way. They may have had a bit more control over how their power would manifest due to their creation of Scadrial but it doesn't matter in this instance because again, Scadrians do not have Connection to the other Shards so those other godmetals. Will. Not. Work. Unless the Shard does something or the user creates the necessary Connection themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwalker Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 @weltall reread my post i changed it before you answered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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