Nightblood OP

[Zelly]

On 2/22/2018 at 11:14 AM, Skybreaker The Returned said:

So Nightblood can cut through all three realms, does that mean that by using nightblood, someone could kill a spren, therefore stripping a radiant of their power?

 

Dunno about Nightblood, but there is a spren killed by blade in Oathbringer:

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When Kaladin uses  Sylknife to stab a spren that was tormenting Elhokar's son in the battle for the palace.  Syl says it was horrible and seems unsure exactly what happens, though she suggests they killed it.

 

[Fezzik]

So do halfshard shields have trapped

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Cohesionspren 

In them?

[RShara she/her]

3 minutes ago, John203 said:

So do halfshard shields have trapped

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Cohesionspren 

In them?

Unknown, but I personally doubt it.

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If you mean they are Radiant spren.  If you mean lower spren, then sure.

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by RShara

[Fezzik]

I meant lower spren, like the adhesionspren Kaladin sees in the chasms while sticking rocks to walls.

[RShara she/her]

Ah.  Yeah that's what I think is in them.

[Skybreaker156]

10 hours ago, RShara said:

The half-shards are regular metal shields with Augmenter fabrials affixed to them to make them a lot stronger than they would normally be.  Since they're in essence, invested, at that point, they can resist the Shardblade blow for a little bit.

So would you be able to strengthen the power by coating it in allomatic aluminum as well as the fabrials? 

[RShara she/her]

The problem with coating things in aluminum is that yes, aluminum will cancel out investiture.  But it's still a thin coat of a relatively soft and weak metal.  Whereas Shardblades are hard, sharp, pointy objects meant to slice and dice.

[Scion of the Mists]

On 2/27/2018 at 1:31 PM, Weltall said:

The 'Halfshards' are explained in Oathbringer.

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Taravangian tells Dalinar that the spren that power these particular fabrials are ones that would under other circumstances form a Nahel Bond. It's suspected (but not proved) that these would be the ones that bond with Stonewards given the thematic connection.

In any case, they're basically fabrials that resist on the basis of 'Investiture interferes with Investiture'.

 

On 2/27/2018 at 1:44 PM, RShara said:

 

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I don't think they're a Radiant spren, myself.  For one, how did they manage to lure so many of them to trap in a gemstone?  Jah Keved doesn't have any particular knowledge of spren that we've been told.  And there are at least several dozen of the shields, which seems like  it'd be a significant number of sapient spren.

 

 

I recently stumbled across this WOB that I hadn't seen before, that I think is somewhat relevant:

 

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Fantasy Faction

Could any type of spren bond with a person (even if the results wouldn't be a Knight Radiant)? Or only the ones associated with a branch of the Knights?

Brandon Sanderson

Ooh, that's an excellent question. This is something theoretically possible for a lesser spren to achieve.

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Edited March 1, 2018 by Scion of the Mists

[RShara she/her]

Interesting.  Though the Knight Radiant was mentioned specifically, that WoB has a lot of implications.

[Skybreaker156]

So would someone who bonded with say a flame spren, gain the power of combustion? 

 

[Zelly]

5 hours ago, Skybreaker156 said:

So would someone who bonded with say a flame spren, gain the power of combustion? 

 

Or would they just be a pyromaniac with a pet fireball. 

[Yata he/him]

15 hours ago, Skybreaker156 said:

So would someone who bonded with say a flame spren, gain the power of combustion? 

 

Probably a lesser Spren will not gift magic Powers upon bonding 

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

So, just a weirdo with a pet fireball, but would the fireball get smarter with the bond.

[MountainKing]

2 hours ago, ElephantEarwax said:

So, just a weirdo with a pet fireball, but would the fireball get smarter with the bond.

Probably, and maybe once they're bonded the human can begin to feed the spren stormlight until it reach radiantspren levels.

[Tman he/him]

I have actually thought about this,

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and I think it is possible for hardplate to be a bunch of the lesser spren having a loose bond with a Radiant. So a Windrunner's Shardplate would be made up of windspren.

 

[Tman he/him]

And actually I don't know if they would get smarter over time. 

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As we see from our glimpse into Shadesmar in OB, the lesser spren are little more than freaky magical animals. The radient spren, however, are smart, and have societies and what not. The Nahel bond doesn't grant them sapience, it just allows them to slowly regain what they had before jumping on over to the physical realm. 

I could be like... Way off here, though. Makes sense to me, though. 

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

You should keep them in one post @Tman. But that is an interesting thought.

Edited March 17, 2018 by ElephantEarwax

[Tman he/him]

Yeah... I realize that now, @ElephantEarwax I am relatively new here, and didn't realize I could edit my posts. But hey! I'm learning!

Edited March 12, 2018 by Tman

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

Its good, to have you.

[cometaryorbit]

On 2/23/2018 at 2:16 AM, RShara said:

NB can feed on anything.  Humans. Spren. Rocks. Tables. Aons.  Anything.  He might choke on a big Splinter, and would on a Shard, but he could still feed off them some first.

Do we know that Nightblood couldn't eat a whole Shard given time?

EDIT: I think a human bond with a non-sapient spren would be more like what Rosharan animals have. It might grant some advantage related to a Surge (like how a chasmfiend or skyeel is lighter than it should be) but not the full Surge control a Radiant has, IMO.

Edited March 17, 2018 by cometaryorbit

[+ElephantEarwax he/him]

I still want a guy with a pet fireball.

[RShara she/her]

57 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said:

Do we know that Nightblood couldn't eat a whole Shard given time?

EDIT: I think a human bond with a non-sapient spren would be more like what Rosharan animals have. It might grant some advantage related to a Surge (like how a chasmfiend or skyeel is lighter than it should be) but not the full Surge control a Radiant has, IMO.

Yep

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Questioner

Hypothetically could Nightblood Splinter a Shard?

Brandon Sanderson

Uh, Splintering a Shard takes more power than Nightblood has.

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[MountainKing]

17 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:

Do we know that Nightblood couldn't eat a whole Shard given time?

EDIT: I think a human bond with a non-sapient spren would be more like what Rosharan animals have. It might grant some advantage related to a Surge (like how a chasmfiend or skyeel is lighter than it should be) but not the full Surge control a Radiant has, IMO.

That's why I want a human to bond a nonsapient spren and then invest it with stormlight till it becomes sentient

[Slay This Rock]

So we have established that night blood can kill spren, the cognitive realm being. So what if we wield it to kill all the void spren that it could? Does that mean no more desolation?

 

And I wonder if dawn shards are really blade type of weapon, would it share some traits of night blood...

Edited March 21, 2018 by moejarv
Name wrong!

[Ishar]

On 2/24/2018 at 7:19 PM, theRoyalDingus said:

This makes me wonder how hard a Shardblade is. Without it's Shardblady powers. As just a "large, hard, sharp and pointy object." Would it still be unbreakable? Does anyone know?

So, I doubt it is possible to take a Shardblade's Shardblady powers. Sure, you can make things that it can't cut as easily as everything else, like half shards, other shards, and aluminum, but that doesn't take the Shardblades power, it simply counters it. Shardblades would remain unbreakable no matter what they are hitting. They are made of pure investure, so it would be impossible to take its power.

On 2/27/2018 at 8:54 AM, ShardplateJoe III said:

My guess is that the aluminum would resist the magical cutting properties of a shardblade, but as has been mentioned above, you still have a very sharp, very large, and very indestructible sword being used to cut a relatively mundane material. Imagine standing with an iron shield, blocking a large, sharp, indestructible sword (without magical cutting properties, but still very sharp), being wielded by a man in shardplate, being swung with the force of a ton at your mundane, ordinary shield. Not only would your shield be destroyed, but you would be broken as well. And, if your shield is not destroyed in one hit, assuming your body isn't destroyed by the force of it that swing, one or two more blows would finish shearing right through that shield.

So the thing is, we have no idea how sharp a shardblade actually is. For all we know they could be just like oversized magical butter knives. Although, anybody with a living shardblade in this situation would simply have the shardblade becoming much sharper if it wasn't sharp enough already. When you mention a "Sharp, indestructible sword, being wielded by a man in shardplate, being swung with the force of a ton" you seem to forget that shardblades weigh practically nothing. This would mean, since force is Mass x Acceleration, that the shardblade would actually have a significantly smaller force than you might expect, and it would probably be more effect for somebody in shardplate to just punch the shield. Also, this brings up the question of whether or not a shardblade has to be sharp to cut something easily. In OB Shallan is seen making her blade dull for a duel, but how dull does the sword have to be before it reaches a point where it can't cut things? How sharp does it have to be to cut things? Is it because Shallan doesn't want to cut things at that moment? Also, what if you don't have the shardblade take the form of a sword, as is seen multiple times in Oathbringer, but instead choose a dull object, does this completely negate the cutting effects of a shard, because as I mentioned earlier, Shardblades are super light, so using them for anything that doesn't involve cutting would be super ineffective unless a radiant can change their shardblade's weight.