[OB] Book 4 Storyline Predictions and Discussions

[Eris she/her]

It is on my list to read. Im a few pages off finishing oathbringer. 

Yeah, I'm looking forward to more of the building that most likely will occur before the big storm of book 5 will be

[ZenBossanova]

On 2/10/2018 at 9:04 PM, TequilaJack said:

- History of Parshmen and their gods

- Queen Jasnah!

And Queen Jasnah struggling with it more than she expects. Kaladin's next oaths will involve leadership... as king of Alethkar, with Queen Jasnah. This is NOT what he was planning on.

The ancient history of Roshar is not going to be simple good guys & bad guys, just because people and history is complicated. Humanity may not be innocent, or even guilty of everything, but the Singers will be more complicated in their motivations, and not as perfectly innocent as the dawnchant translation might indicate.

On 2/11/2018 at 1:49 AM, WhiteLeeopard said:

Taravangian will muddle through things with the Diagram as usual.

Taravangian is more important than Odium realizes, and he is a fool for trusting Mr T. I wouldn't make a deal with the Devil, but on Mr T's genius days, I pity the Devil! 

On 2/10/2018 at 10:48 PM, lu-tze said:

I'm holding out for some Kal/Jasnah sparks.

Put this relationship on sizzle. Their banter will have sparking flying. Jasnah will verbally shred Kaladin frequently, but be delighted that he is intelligent enough to stand up to her sparring. More conversations like the one about cuddling a skyeel. If they don't kill eachother, then it will be hot. 

 

On 2/11/2018 at 7:50 PM, CrazyRioter said:

I'm hoping for lots of Rlain (Rlain for Bondsmith 2k17, fight me).

Amen, Sister. I expect that Rlain will bond the Sibling. I expect Mr T will bond the Nightwatcher. And once he does that, Dalinar can't get rid of him at all!

 

Something odd is going on with Rock. I am not sure he going to have a typical spren bond, considering he used a shardbow at the end of book 3, and considering his unique Listener heritage. Lopen could have a unique type of bond as well for similar reasons. Natanatans may also have unique bonds considering their Aimian heritage. 

Adolin and Maya may make some progress, but she will not be restored until book 9 or 10. Adolin may have struggles with his father and with being a father, potentially. 

Cultivation will continue to play coy and uninterested, and Odium will continue to think she isn't doing much. He is so wrong. He greatly underestimates her. She is cultivating the entire population of Roshar to do what she needs. She will also gain control of Odium's surges, and perhaps even one of his Unmade. This will not all happen in book 4. 

Zahel and his old friend will have a serious talk. Not sure how he is getting out of this one. 

Nale and Ishar are going to be a big a problem as the Singer/Listener armies, if not bigger. 

Hoid will continue to be witty and in places you don't expect. Book 5 will end with Odium himself coming straight at Hoid, and Hoid has to run, and use every magic and trick he knows. The clash of armies will pale in comparison. Armies fighting, might even stop and watch the fireworks. It will be spectacular. 

At some point, perhaps book 5 or later, Nightblood will either be held by, or (more likely) strike Odium. This will be like sticking a fork in a power socket, with the power of a shard being drained through Nightblood. Expect some fuses to blow and Odium to temporarily lose a significant amount of power. I hope Nightblood will survive this. Endowment has been planning this for Odium from the very beginning, and this is the real reason Zahel is on Roshar, no matter what he thinks. His divine breath will be used at a crucial pivotal moment, much like Lightsong. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by ZenBossanova

[Winds Alight she/her]

This is less then a list of predictions than it is a wishlist:

- Dalinar's book is released and the reaction's are ... mixed. Adolin and Renarin give themselves up for adoption.
- Szeth and Vasher meet.
- Kaladin brings his family to Urithiru and plays a part in Gavinor's upbringing.
- Venli had doubts about her place in the Desolation
- Lift and Kaladin spend time together. It will be hilarious.
- Moash is a pile of crem
- Kaladin will struggle greatly with the purpose of fighting, eventually refusing to fight listeners and just going after the Fused themselves.
- We'll get to see the Horneater Peaks and learn more about Rock
- Lopen looks for someone to hate to say his Third Ideal
- Adolin will try to revive Maya and eventually succeed - but maybe not in book 4
- Kaladin will disagree a lot with Jasnah. She likes it.
- I'm in for Rlain as bondsmith

Hmm. Might add more later. I'm sick and my brain isn't working right.

[Eris she/her]

23 minutes ago, Winds Alight said:

This is less then a list of predictions than it is a wishlist:

- Dalinar's book is released and the reaction's are ... mixed. Adolin and Renarin give themselves up for adoption.
- Szeth and Vasher meet.
- Kaladin brings his family to Urithiru and plays a part in Gavinor's upbringing.
- Venli had doubts about her place in the Desolation
- Lift and Kaladin spend time together. It will be hilarious.
- Moash is a pile of crem
- Kaladin will struggle greatly with the purpose of fighting, eventually refusing to fight listeners and just going after the Fused themselves.
- We'll get to see the Horneater Peaks and learn more about Rock
- Lopen looks for someone to hate to say his Third Ideal
- Adolin will try to revive Maya and eventually succeed - but maybe not in book 4
- Kaladin will disagree a lot with Jasnah. She likes it.
- I'm in for Rlain as bondsmith

Hmm. Might add more later. I'm sick and my brain isn't working right.

I love the renarin and adolin give themselves up for adoption because true but your predictions, I love them and want them to come true. 

[MistboreD]

Is this prediction thread or wish list thread? Ok here is what I am looking for:

- Dalinar cuz he is the best character and my personal favorite. More specifically:

- His confrontation with Ishar. Oathbringer implied it will happen. I'd like to see "Bondsmith" vs Bondsmith. It will probably has something to do with Dalinar's fourth oath.

- Clarifications of what happen with Dalinar at the end of Oathbringer. Not sure if we will get much (sounds like book 5 material), but maybe some?

- Learning more about Listerens and their culture. I assume Eshonai flashbacks together with Venli present day narrative will contain tons of interesting things.

- More Radiants. Book 4 is supposed to be Willshaper book.

- Who is Sibling?

- Szeth helps to train Radiants. His experience with all ten surges will be useful.

- Dalinar/Lift interactions. They have a good chemistry. Maybe he can adopt her?

- More Bondsmith powers. We didn't see that much in Oathbringer. And what we did see...it is unclear is it a Bondsmith power or Dalinar-only thing.

- More Heralds please. Ishar, Taln, Ash.

- Any chances to see Cultivation again?

- Characters traveling. I want to see new locations. Roshar is so big and mostly unexplored (for readers)

- Nothing from Shallan and Adolin...my least favorite characters (also Renarin), if they just disappear I won't miss them.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

I hope we get to see Mraize fight someone. I feel like he is pretty dangerous and it would be cool to see. Jasnah, Kaladin, Adolin and Malata are all cool options.

Also, Taln will hopefully be sane at the end of book 4. It is a shame to see so little of his awesomeness. 

I want to see Chana as well.

And more deaths. I dont have a clue as to who should die (I wouldnt mind it if Jasnah died again, but that wont happen). 

Also, @Invocation, you put those names in a quote box, not a spoiler tag. You dont need to spoiler tag in the SA subforum though, but I thought I’d let you know. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Toaster Retribution

[Jaywalk he/him]

12 hours ago, ZenBossanova said:

Book 5 will end with Odium himself coming straight at Hoid, and Hoid has to run, and use every magic and trick he knows. The clash of armies will pale in comparison. Armies fighting, might even stop and watch the fireworks. It will be spectacular. 

I want this.

[Zurvanight he/him]

Vasher will let Szeth keep Nightblood

Azure/Vivenna and Vasher/Zahel will form a sword fighting school (probably not but I wish) 

Lift will steal Odium's pancakes.

Kaladin will get his Shardplate which I'm hoping isn't stupidly bulky looking and more like light armor.

More Unmade pls

Edited January 1, 2019 by Zurvanite

[ZenBossanova]

 

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  13 hours ago, ZenBossanova said:

Book 5 will end with Odium himself coming straight at Hoid, and Hoid has to run, and use every magic and trick he knows. The clash of armies will pale in comparison. Armies fighting, might even stop and watch the fireworks. It will be spectacular. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jaywalk said:

I want this.

I seem to recall a WoB suggesting something like this, but I can't find it in the Arcanum. 

[Kon-Tiki he/him]

Kaladin: Kaladin will spend either the intervening year between books 3 and 4 (if this happens, I hope Brandon changes his mind on this after his re-read) or the first chunk of book 4 taking the Windrunners and evacuating Alethkar. He expressed desire to evacuate Hearthstone and specifically to bring his family to Urithiru before going to attempt to liberate Kholinar, and I think he will be allowed to do so now. But, Kaladin being Kaladin, he won't be able to allow himself to just take the people of Hearthstone, he'll have to save everyone. This, obviously, will be harder than he expects. Meanwhile, Jasnah and probably Dalinar will arrange his marriage to some budding KR or foreign royalty while he's gone for political reasons. This will enrage Kaladin and will be grounds for his conflict for the rest of the book. His fourth oath, strangely, will have to do with him pledging to actually lead people in more ways than just Bridge Four on the battlefield. I've seen a lot of people suggest that he takes some sort of personal responsibility for Gavinor, but I don't see that happening. If he's going to pick a child to protect, it will be his new baby brother. Tien meant more to Kaladin than Gavilar/Gavinor ever will, and even now he sees that as his greatest failure.

Shallan: Shallan will start taking her wardship seriously just as Jasnah actually becomes too busy to teach her. Between Jasnah's queenship and being a KR I doubt she'll have time to teach Shallan much of scholarship in the traditional sense. Shallan, much as in OB, will have to continue to find ways to be helpful for herself. I honestly don't know what this will look like. Obviously there's the whole thing with the Ghostbloods and Sja-Anat, but I have no idea what looking for Sja-Anat even really entails other than trying to track down instances of corrupted spren.

Adolin: Adolin's bond with Maya will continue to strengthen. I think he'll be swearing Edgedancer oaths by the end of book 4. Adolin will also struggle to be highprince, as it will probably honestly bore him and he'll need some sort of shock to actually engage with his duties beyond just sort of reacting and doing what Jasnah/Dalinar need him to do. Not out of laziness necessarily, but out of a dislike of the job.

Renarin: I think we'll finally see more of what's going on in Renarin's head now that the big reveal is out of the way. I still think there are unplumbed depths there, but broadly once Brandon allows someone to be a POV character there isn't much left to spoil or they're about to die or something like that -- interludes aside -- so here's hoping to much more out of Renarin than there has been previously.

Venli: Venli is on Team Dalinar by the end of the book. I don't see how she can be telling the Parshmen the truth about the Listeners without getting sniffed out by Odium/the Fused, who already question her loyalty. I doubt that she straight up dies, and she's seen Dalinar standing up to Odium and not just getting totally squashed. Obviously she won't be immediately welcomed and trusted by Team Dalinar, so her and Timbre learning to trust them and them learning to trust her will be a big deal. And, as soon as Bridge Four sees a KR Listener, they'll rally around Rlain, who will become a Windrunner. I do not see him becoming a Bondsmith as I've seen suggested elsewhere. I think the presumption of impossibility is the only thing really keeping Rlain's feet on the ground (as it was for Lyn).

Szeth: The biggest conflict I see on Szeth's horizon is that Dalinar is going to want to make contact and start forging alliances with the Shin leadership. Szeth will have obvious insights into Shin leadership, but it is unclear how useful those insights will be, given Szeth's hatred for the Shin leadership. He will encourage scouring them off the face of Roshar, which Dalinar will obviously want to resist. Meanwhile, he will have to overcome the fact that he's the Assassin in White and that all sorts of world leaders and even the Alethi will treat him badly and it will almost certainly cause problems for Dalinar internationally. I don't think even Jasnah is super keen on the idea of having Szeth apparently serve as Dalinar's full-time bodyguard now that the bridgemen have pretty much all become Windrunner squires at this point, and those who have not soon will. Szeth is still a big bag of problems that didn't get addressed in OB, both due to a lack of time in the book and a lack of time in-story (I hope that makes sense). Szeth also has a black sphere hidden somewhere in Jah Keved Dalinar might want to see, so we might actually get some answers

Lift: Who knows what Lift is ever going to do? I imagine that Dalinar will try and leverage Lift's friendship with Gawx to rope in the skittish Azish, who seem to have put great stock into the reports of the Sadeas army turning on Theylanah and have no real basis of understanding of the Thrill or even really the Unmade in general. I'm sure Lift will continue to buck expectations, but also that as the Urithiru contingent becomes aware that she uses calories for Investiture will want to study her. Lift is going to spend a lot of time learning how to skate like the Fused. I don't think we've ever seen her draw in Stormlight traditionally, so maybe she'll learn how to do that or she'll learn that she can't, depending on how whatever the Nightwatcher did to her works. On the Cosmere scale, I think Lift is my candidate for Most Likely to Worldhop, as of all the KRs she's the only one not bound to Rosharan Stormlight.

Dalinar: I think Dalinar will have two major issues. The first is the recurring issue of international politics and building his kill-Odium coalition. This will involve both learning who he can trust. Primary among these will be the Venli and whatever Parshmen she brings with her and then also Szeth. The second issue is running the city of Urithiru, especially if as I believe Kaladin will be bringing in more and more refugees from across Alethkar. I feel pretty confident that this will involve reawakening The Sibiling and finding a second Bondsmith.  

Gavilar: I don't know how much longer we can go without learning more about Gavilar's motives. Right now, they mostly seem to be "start a Desolation in order to bring back the Heralds so they can strengthen the Vorin Church". If this is really all there is to it, then he seems a lot less noble to me and a lot more foolish than many of our main characters seem to think. I think both Jasnah and Dalinar would feel immensely betrayed by this if they were aware of it.

Jasnah: I think most of our Jasnah POVs will have to do with her having captured(?) Taln and Ash. As per usual she knows way more about them than we do, so hopefully this is how we can learn more about what's going on with them and with the Heralds generally, all of whom seem to be "getting worse". If they're all mad (understandable) but also uniformly getting worse, there's a reason for that and I think Detective Jasnah is the one to crack that mystery.

Rock: I think same as Kaladin after agreeing to assassinate Elhokar, in order for Rock to keep moving forward as a KR he's going to have to swear a higher Ideal. Unlike Kaladin, I can actually see Rock walking away from being a KR entirely because his other more personal oaths mean more to him than being a KR. I don't know that that will happen, but I think it could.

 

Interactions I'm hoping for/looking forward to:

Lirin and Dalinar. These two are both sort of father figures to Kaladin and if Lirin makes it to Urithiru I can't imagine that Dalinar will just ignore Kaladin's parents. I don't think Lirin will think much of Dalinar.

Venli and Rlain. Venli has a lot to answer for and I think Rlain either knows it or will piece it together

Renarin and Glys. We know next to nothing about Glys. LET ME LOVE HIM

Shallan and Ash. Seeing Shallan meet her namesake, especially in Ash's broken state, would be amazing. It even makes sense if Jasnah brings Shallan to interrogate Ash and Taln. Shallan will want guidance but will get crazy instead.

Adolin and Lift. Especially as Adolin moves more and more towards Edgedancing (as I think is inevitable given what we learned in OB) he and Lift will be increasingly in contact with one another. I can't imagine two people on Roshar less alike

Syl and the other Honorspren. Syl is such a savage with them and I love it and I want to see more

Lift and Lopen. Who can out-weird the other? That might actually be too much to handle

Adolin and his Bridge Four Bros. Adolin needs bros and the others of his class either betrayed him or left him hanging in WoR, and by this point I think he sees Bridge Four as his peers more than other Alethi lighteyes, especially Skar, Drehy, and Kaladin. We've seen some of it already, but I'm always in for more

 

Whew this ended up going a lot longer than I thought it would.

[+Invocation]

8 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Also, @Invocation, you put those names in a quote box, not a spoiler tag. You dont need to spoiler tag in the SA subforum though, but I thought I’d let you know. 

My bad, I'll fix it.