Shallan's Relationship

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

I think that 2 shallow and immature people in a relationship would basically doom it from the start. How many do you know who dated in highschool, that you would describe as shallow and immature, are still in that same relationship.

 

Its also worth pointing out that I don't find Shallan shallow at all. But I find that her relationship with Adolin is most certainly Shallow.

 

Ok my age showing here ... 

 

I know many that married from High School or in their teens - early 20's, and have lasted decades, In fact more have lasted that did not. 

 

Adolin is 23 , Shallan is 17 I do not think it odd that Adolin and Shallan would have a shallow relationship they have been courting for what a few weeks?  Most relationships at this point are shallow. 

 

We also do not know what the cultural practices are, other than arranged marriages, We know Dalinar courted his wife for 3 years, that Nan-Balat and Eylita have been betrothed about a year.. at least 1 year ago he was planning on running away with her.  So it would appear that courtships can last awhile.

 

The fact that she was able to be more "herself" with Kaladin was in part because she did not see him as a romantic possibility. (Yes that could always change)

 

 

I do think Shallan is developing into a better less shallow and less flat character, (By far less flat and shallow than Vin)

By the end she was finally starting to think beyond herself.

 

I see Shallan as shallow for the following reasons.

- Though to be fair, In some ways it may be more that she is young and though intelligent also fairly selfish, naive and inexperienced.

 

She is more concerned with what others think of herself and putting on the appearance of being someone else than of changing herself.

She just falls into whatever personality or actions of those around her, even the personality of her we see is more an act.

Her quips and insults have reverted back to what they were before Jasnah tried to get her to grow. 

 

Jasnah pushed her to be more and to think,

It is Pattern that forces her to be less shallow, to accept truths, and accept herself.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

The fact that she was able to be more "herself" with Kaladin was in part because she did not see him as a romantic possibility. (Yes that could always change)

I don't think that is the case, since very soon after she is obviously interested in him, what with negatively comparing Adolin to him.

[Fistsofrage]

I think Shallan is very "fond" of Adolin, just like how Navani was "fond" of Gavilar. But she only lets Kaladin in to see her true self and she talks about how he has so much passion yet has it completely under control, much like what Navani said about Dalinar.

 

Even though I'm a super fan of Syl x Kal, I can't help but notice all the blatant hints Brandon left for Kaladin x Shallan.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Fistsofrage

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

Hey guys look we're 2 books into a 10 book long series.

LET'S GUESS ABOUT WHAT CHARACTERS WILL BE LIKE IN THE END IF THEY ARE EVEN ALIVE!

[loke13]

Hey guys look we're 2 books into a 10 book long series.

LET'S GUESS ABOUT WHAT CHARACTERS WILL BE LIKE IN THE END IF THEY ARE EVEN ALIVE!

 

Following that logic we shouldn't theories about anything until book 9 comes out.

[Adunsavior]

Shipping wars!

 

Well, I personally voted for Shalladin just because I wanted to watch Syl and Pattern arguing

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

Following that logic we shouldn't theories about anything until book 9 comes out.

No, following my logic we shouldn't theorize about what will be like characters 8 books later.

 

But hey, let's play your game of over exagerration.

Ahem.

 

While it's fun to guess at the future,

we cannot guess at the future 200 million years from now.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Anonymous Hippotamus

[loke13]

No, following my logic we shouldn't theorize about characters 8 books later.

 

But hey, let's play your game of over exagerration.

Ahem.

 

While it's fun to guess at the future,

we cannot guess at the future 200 million years from now.

 

Not much of an exaggeration if your proving my point. What exactly is your problem here? It's harmless speculation that's largely contained in this thread.

 

Now this may come as a shock to you but some people actually enjoy speculating about which character ends up with who X books down the line.

Edited March 9, 2014 by loke13

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

Not much of an exaggeration if your proving my point. What exactly is your problem here? It's harmless speculation that's largely contained in this thread.

 

Now this may come as a shock to you but some people actually enjoy speculating about which character ends up with who X books down the line.

I have no "problem"

I just find the whole thing a bit silly.

We can contemplate but guessing this far ahead just seems, well, wrong.

[Seloun]

I have no "problem"

I just find the whole thing a bit silly.

We can contemplate but guessing this far ahead just seems, well, wrong.

 

It's probably better to think about it as not guessing the future, but examining the past.

 

I'm not asserting that I have high confidence about what will happen in 8 books; instead, I'm comparing what we've seen so far in the previous 2 books.

 

Consider a race of 10 laps. I can't tell you for sure after watching two laps who will win the race; however, I should be able to tell you who is in the lead. This question is no different; at least, that's how I approach it. In particular, you should be able to point to passages in the narrative to justify your reasoning.

 

Continuing the analogy, this is a race where someone took pictures periodically during the course from various viewpoints, capturing several racers at a time, and we're sifting through the collection upto the second lap to try to figure out who is in the lead by the end of the second lap. Just because they're in the lead in the second lap doesn't mean they'll end up winning. Taken that way, it's true the poll is mostly meaningless. However, it's easy to recast the question into something which doesn't purely rely on speculation.

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

I see where you're coming from, I however quite dislike most contemplation on the far future.

I tend to try and finish something, then come up with question that probably won't be answered.

 

My main problem with this is that there are so many places for more characters to pop up.

In a series in which each book is 1000+ pages long, a question like this seems so silly.

 

I guess you can say that I am quite heavily Team Unknown.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Anonymous Hippotamus

[Paradox he/him]

On the topic of relationships I really want to see Brandon do a same-sex relationship with a viewpoint character. Mostly because fantasy authors really dance around the issue. Whenever a homosexual charater is present it is almost always with a minor non-viewpoint character who doesn't really speak and who's preferences are left ambiguous at best. If nothing else it would be interesing to see how Alethi and other societies view same-sex relationships and would help flesh out the Alethi, and other nation's, ideaologies.

 

Just something that came into my head as i read through the posts.

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

On the topic of relationships I really want to see Brandon do a same-sex relationship with a viewpoint character. Mostly because fantasy authors really dance around the issue. Whenever a homosexual charater is present it is almost always with a minor non-viewpoint character who doesn't really speak and who's preferences are left ambiguous at best. If nothing else it would be interesing to see how Alethi and other societies view same-sex relationships and would help flesh out the Alethi, and other nation's, ideaologies.

 

Just something that came into my head as i read through the posts.

Anything is possible but considering that most of Sanderson's books take place in a more medival sort of time, homosexuality is probably frowned upon. If a same-sex relationship were to occur I would rather it be in the realm in the Alloy of Law where things are more "modern"

[Paradox he/him]

I get the feeling the Reshi don't really care about sexuality all that much. This could be a reason a bunch of people from the different Rosharan cultures join the Reshi Isles.

 

I certainly agree that if Brandon ever touches on the subject it will be in the mistborn books to come, since they are set well into the future in terms of technology and cultural advancement.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Paradox

[Anonymous Hippopotamus]

I get the feeling the Reshi don't really care about sexuality all that much. This could be a reason a bunch of people from the different Rosharan cultures join the Reshi Isles.

 

I certainly agree that if Brandon ever touches on the subject it will be in the mistborn books to come, since they are set well into the future in terms of technology and cultural advancement.

You can never tell what will happen in other cultures in fantasy worlds but I doubt there will ever be same-sex relationships through main characters in The Storm Light Archives, mainly because I doubt the Alethi Culture would easily accept homo-sexuality.

[Paradox he/him]

I'm kinda hoping to be suprised and for Shallan & Jasnah to become a thing. I think i will hold this hope in the back of my mind for as long as they both survive and up until the end of book 10 (or 5 if we don't see them in the second half).

[Lugonn]

I'm kinda hoping to be suprised and for Shallan & Jasnah to become a thing. I think i will hold this hope in the back of my mind for as long as they both survive and up until the end of book 10 (or 5 if we don't see them in the second half).

 

Woah, slow down there Oedipus.

[muco]

Love triangle...too predictable and boring.

[shinintendo]

By love triangle that people dislike so much, is it to say Shallan play with both men at the same time? Are you fine if she cuts off one relationship than starts another, but the other member still has lingering feeling that hopefully he will over it?

What if she put a stop on one relationship and only in the next book other relationship start, is it fine by your standard?

 

Cause either way it goes whichever is it, Kaladin or Adolin, they both can be hurting in the long run.Kaldin at the present or Adolin in the future.

In the way it's written I cannot see no one get's hurt, there are many books to progress said chars, the bromance began as dislike and distrust, than they connected and saw the similarities between them, I feel they are like brothers now. but for the future it's time for some problems to occur, there will be many bumps on the road ahead, it's a given.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

That's what this Thread reminds me of...

[Aleksiel]

I'm not able to catch up with all post from my last visit just a few hours ago, wow.

 

I'd like to point out that Shallan confided in Kaladin most likely because they were in mortal danger and suddenly keeping appearance was not as important to her. She felt the need to finally say it out out to someone at last. I honestly think she'd share the same with Adolin  in that situation. Nothing in her inner dialogue at that point made me think she felt special connection to Kal before she opened up.

[dhazellouise she/her]

I'm not able to catch up with all post from my last visit just a few hours ago, wow.

 

I'd like to point out that Shallan confided in Kaladin most likely because they were in mortal danger and suddenly keeping appearance was not as important to her. She felt the need to finally say it out out to someone at last. I honestly think she'd share the same with Adolin  in that situation. Nothing in her inner dialogue at that point made me think she felt special connection to Kal before she opened up.

 

I think Shallan would not confide to Adolin even when he was the one who was stuck in the chasm with her...I think Shallan was able to confide in Kaladin because she thinks Kaladin could understand her better since they both have a terrible past. She confided more to Kaladin because she knew that Kaladin would never judge her or see her differently for killing her father...

Edited March 9, 2014 by dhazellouise

[Aleksiel]

I think Shallan would not confide to Adolin even when he was the one who was stuck in the chasm with her...I think Shallan was able to confide in Kaladin because she thinks Kaladin could understand her better since they both experience have a terrible past. She confided more to Kaladin because she knew that Kaladin would never judge her or see her differently for having done something bad...

 

She didn't know anything about Kaladin's past when she confided with him. She was caught in the moment, but she didn't feel any special connection towards Kaladin before the revalations. 

 

Edit: if you count confiding how broken she felt before explaining why, but I admit the first sentence was chronologically wrong. Kal starts feeling a sort of connection at this point, however Shallan talks about kissing Adolin in public right after it's established they had both suffered greatly, so not really a point in Kal's favor.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Aleksiel

[dhazellouise she/her]

She didn't know anything about Kaladin's past when she confided with him. She was caught in the moment, but she didn't feel any special connection towards Kaladin before the revalations.

 

Actually, Shallan was the one who first asked Kaladin to tell her about his past..That's when Kaladin started telling her about his past. When she heard his story, Shallan started confiding in him as well...Kindly please read the book again especially the chasm part..

Edited March 9, 2014 by dhazellouise

[Aleksiel]

Actually, Shallan was the one who first asked Kaladin to tell her about his past..That's when Kaladin started telling her about his past. When she heard his story, Shallan started confiding in him as well...Kindly please read the book again especially the chasm part..

 

She started talking about what it was to be broken first. Though I admit since I've read the scene only once, I've probably missed some things and don't recall it perfectly. I'll reread it and if I think differently, I will edit my previous posts. Plus, I used 'revelations' plural - hers and his.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Aleksiel