Glaring at the Survivor Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I just realized something. It's probably possible to summon a Shardblade - one you own, of course - a decent distance away from you. I say this because if there is something on your hand, the Shardblade will still summon. It will just summon the necessary distance away from your hand itself. So - not that it would provide too much of a tactical advantage other than summoning it tip-down above someone's head to kill them - it should be possible to summon a Blade somewhere other than in your hand. Feet away from you, perhaps, to do as I said above? Not as useful in battle, but… well, for assassinations I see little to no flaws. Are there any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I'd agree that this is possible. Probably based mostly on the ability of the bonded person to visualize that properly. WoR Spoiler In the same way that Adolin is able to throw his blade by concentration, and others are able to retreive a blade loaned to someone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomeness Summoned Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I was thinking this too but after reading WoR I decided that would be super OP It is confirmed in WoR that the blades are actually spren who have formed into the blades. While they are still "alive" they can morph into any shape the KR desires. When they "die" they are locked in whatever form they were in at the time. Syl changes from her normal form to sword, spear, shield, knife, back to a person in quick succession. I think it makes far more sense that they can only form into a weapon when in contact with the KR. Otherwise they could just fly around the battlefield turning into blades and slicing through parshendi at will and the KR wouldn't even have to do anything. They must be "wielded" by the person in order to have direct effect on the physical realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I have a further theory related to Awesomeness' statements... WoR Spoiler Each Order of KR has 5 Ideals. Each time you speak an Ideal, your power and bond grow stronger. We see Kal/Syl's bond grown to the 3rd level, further than any other that I think we've seen before. Now Syl is able to take the form of spears/swords/shields... As the bond grows, i.e. speaking the 4th and 5th ideals, the Spren will be able to form more and more, so not just a single item, but a spear and shield or sword and shield, until eventually at the 5th Ideal, the Spren is able to form the weapon and plate at the same time. Now that we know that the Spren were the blades, and based on the ease of the KR adding/removing their helmets in Dalinar's visions from tWoK, I would say that the Spren are also the Plate, and thus when the Nahel bond was severed and the Spren died, they locked in both forms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomeness Summoned Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) The only problem with that Hoodie is... we know from Pattern that not all the orders have the same number of ideals "Lightweavers make no oaths beyond the first," Pattern said. "You must speak the truths." . Every order of spren has different requirements for their bond and thus the progression to blade and plate for each will be different. Edited March 6, 2014 by Awesomeness Summoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Hmm, The only problem with that Hoodie is... we know from Pattern that not all the orders have the same number of ideals . Every order of spren has different requirements for their bond and thus the progression to blade and plate for each will be different. I took that as Pattern saying that Lightweaver's don't have any "Oaths" perse, but that they must then speak 4 Truths (deep and powerful truths) about themselves instead of oaths. So for Shallan, she has spoken the oaths and a Truth (she murdered her father). As far as I can tell she's on level 2 with Dalinar, while Kal is at level 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Lift has all of her powers, I think. EDIT: Also, I like the idea that 4th or 5th ideal turns the spren into Plate. I'd say 4th, and then 5th turns it into both at the same time. Or, both Plate/Blade and their natural form at the same time. Edited March 6, 2014 by Limelleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think the Plate is manifested by the Surgebinder rather than the spren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeBrick Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 If plate was made of spren like blades, then I think we'd have noticed the screaming reactions or something similar at some point like we do with the blades. I concur that it is likely formed by the Surgebinder himself in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hoodie Mistborn Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 If plate was made of spren like blades, then I think we'd have noticed the screaming reactions or something similar at some point like we do with the blades. I concur that it is likely formed by the Surgebinder himself in some way. You and swimmingly raise an interesting idea that I hadn't considered really. Kaladin does use the helm of a Shardplate in that 4:3 fight as a shield/bludgeon afterall. Also Renarin would probably not be able to function in his plate if it were part of the spren... though I do like the idea that the 4th and 5th ideals are what allow you to generate your own plate, so I'm sticking with that, even if they're not part of the spren. I was thinking that most because of the shield shape that Syl forms in the fight with Szeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Hmm, I took that as Pattern saying that Lightweaver's don't have any "Oaths" perse, but that they must then speak 4 Truths (deep and powerful truths) about themselves instead of oaths. So for Shallan, she has spoken the oaths and a Truth (she murdered her father). As far as I can tell she's on level 2 with Dalinar, while Kal is at level 3 I may be wrong but I think shallan has spoken two truths, she spoke the second one "I hate you" to pattern at the end. He replied "I know, you will kill me and have your revenge." Or does that not count, because even though it sounds like a deep personal truth nothing happens when she says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excecior Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) I may be wrong but I think shallan has spoken two truths, she spoke the second one "I hate you" to pattern at the end. He replied "I know, you will kill me and have your revenge." Or does that not count, because even though it sounds like a deep personal truth nothing happens when she says it. I believe her second truth was that she was the one who killed her mother and her father took the blame. Edited March 8, 2014 by Excecior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 We should really either flag this entire thread for Words of Radiance spoilers or move it to the respective subforum. Practically every post has been filled with it, and the WoR content is important enough that it's practically pointless to discuss this without the knowledge it offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaring at the Survivor Posted March 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I hadn't read the book when I wrote this thread, so I had no idea how much new stuff we'd learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Figured that might have been the case. Edit the title perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I'm just going to move this to the WoR subforum. I do think that shardplate operates under different principles than shardblades. Since the shardblades are the Nahel bonded spren, every Radiant had one however not every Radiant had plate. It was available to them all but not every Radiant used it. That seems different, to me, than the spren just not appearing in that form? Also shardplate doesn't disappear when not in use, and Syl never complains about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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