Ramza1890 Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) After reading all the preview chapters and reading the dialogue between Kaladin and the freed pashmen I believe that the parshmen that Kaladin interacted with will not march to war. They will recognize that bonding to the Odiumspren is just another form of slavery just to a different entity. I honestly hope that we get no more about those parshmen except that they said forget all this storming war, we are going to go hide in the hills until this is over. Edited November 7, 2017 by Ramza1890 3
Bort he/him Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I think it's going to be more about finding a way to save the enemy while in the field.
Salkara Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ramza1890 said: After reading all the preview chapters and reading the dialogue between Kaladin and the freed pashmen I believe that the parshmen that Kaladin interacted with will not march to war. They will recognize that bonding to the Odiumspren is just another form of slavery just to a different entity. I honestly hope that we get no more about those parshmen except that they said forget all this storming war, we are going to go hide in the hills until this is over. I'm predicting it'll be dark. The Fused kill them all. Or force some to change and kill the others. Poor Sah and his daughter. 1
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 "The importance of Kaladin's time being earnest with the parshmen." Fixed it for you. 4
Starla Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Maybe they'll be the seed that starts a counter-movement within the parshmen. They can teach others the survival skills they've learned and help them remain free of the voidspren/voidbringers who want to transform them to another type of slave. This could lead to two groups of parshmen: those who transform into the Odium forms, and those who transform into the standard Listener forms. Perhaps this latter group can ally with the humans to fight against the voidbringers. 1
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I think it will take a darker turn. Some of them will defenitely see Kaladin as a traitor, and will try to kill him. I can see one of them showing up as an Infused. 3
Govir Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said: I can see one of them showing up as an Infused. If this happens, it will likely be Sah to give it more emotional weight. Also, I don't think we can make the jump from the word Fused to Infused to describe the red-eyed Parshmen/Parshendi. Fused implies they are joined as one, where as Infused implies they reside together but can still be separated (e.g. spheres are infused with Stormlight, which can be drained). 1
StormingTexan he/him Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 I personally think the most important part of the time spent with them is what Kaladin takes away. Before this it was assumed the Everstorm would turn all the Parsman in to voidbringers and now he knows that is not true. It may be possible to save some of them now assuming they all haven't made it to their destinations.
treblkickd he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 It seems that Kaladin's time among the Parsh-folk is a natural follow-up to his experiences with Rlain in WoR. Looking at the bigger picture, I think Kaladin's part 1 arc is another major step along the path to drawing non-traditional (at least relative to much of the "common wisdom" we've been presented with) battle lines in the larger Stormlight Archive story arc. I think we're going to see groups of Parsh-folk peeling off from the void-controlled ranks, and just as we're going to have some major human factions fighting against our protagonists. 2
ZenBossanova Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 I do think this will be significant. They may well march to war, but they are going to remember, his kindness, and realize that they really do have an alternative. In the future, I expect some will chose to live among humans and others will choose to live in the Shattered Plains. In The Hobbit, the most important event was not fighting the dragon, or the Battle of Five Armies. The most important event was when Bilbo had the opportunity to kill Golem, and had the right to, but instead had mercy on him and his miserable condition. And it made all the difference later. This may not happen straightforward, but it will happen before the end. If you are going to fight the Shard of Hate, you can't fight in his own way. 5
hoser he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 I do wish that Kaladin had made the point to his angry Parshmen "captors" that the people who are around in the present are not responsible for depriving them of the bond. It happened long ago. The current people had nothing to do with it. I can imagine Bridge 4, Kaladin and Elhokar heading off to Kholinar and Alethkar generally. Rlain could present the rebellious parshmen with an alternative path and hopefully an understanding of their range of options. 1
powerfulmoss Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 I feel like at some point in the future, the method used to enslave the Parshmen will be rediscovered, and Kaladin will (due to his time with the parshmen) vehemently oppose using it again. 2
WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 I am afraid negative emotions are easier to fall prey to than positive emotions. The parshmen may well just remember his betrayal, and convince themselves he just taught them things and was kind to them to gain their trust in order to be able to spy on them till he decided to ditch them.
shawnhargreaves he/him Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 11 hours ago, hoser said: I do wish that Kaladin had made the point to his angry Parshmen "captors" that the people who are around in the present are not responsible for depriving them of the bond. It happened long ago. The current people had nothing to do with it. Level of responsibility for the actions of your ancestors, and the way consequences of those actions reverberate down the ages, is a fascinating philosophical and moral question. Extremely relevant to present day issues like race relations in the USA, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Brandon develops these ideas. Kaladin didn't make that point to his captors because he's not much of a philosopher. He cares deeply about what is moral, but doesn't spend much time reading about or discussing the theoretical background to such things. Shallan/Jasnah, on the other hand... interesting future conversations coming there perchance? 16 hours ago, treblkickd said: It seems that Kaladin's time among the Parsh-folk is a natural follow-up to his experiences with Rlain in WoR. I completely agree. First he got to know one Listener, treated them honorably and earned their trust. Now he got to know a group of them, after which we learned that the yellow spren was advocating for Kaladin. I don't know how it will play out, but these experiences seem important both for how Kaladin deals with the Listeners, and I suspect ultimately how they will treat him.
Gixian Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Isn’t the importance of this tied to his next paths, “I will protect even those who are my enemies”... or something along those lines?
Govir Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Gixian said: Isn’t the importance of this tied to his next paths, “I will protect even those who are my enemies”... or something along those lines? Do you mean his previous oath? I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right. Or do you mean that you suspect his next oath will be something like what you said. If so, I'm not convinced. I suppose if it have a conditional phrase like his last oath I could get behind it. Something like I will protect even my enemies, so long as they don't try to harm me. But from the Oathbringer chapters we have, I think that the conclusion Kaladin is coming to is that the Parshmen aren't his enemy (or at least, not all of them). I forget where exactly, but I remember seeing a theory that the next oaths could focus on leadership instead of protection, something like I will lead all those who are willing to follow. i.e. if he brings a group of Parshmen in as Squires.
Gixian Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 To Govir, Ahhh you are right I was getting them mixed up, I keep forgetting he’s only at three. But I still think spending time with them has a relationship to the Windrunners fourth ideal... which still irks me that we won’t be seeing Kal in his shardplate anytime soon, if the other two books formulas for ideals is any indication we will probably have to wait until the fourth book for his plate...meh
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