kraefzke Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Seeker861 said: Could the author be an original Radiant? Maybe they saw the future and learned the secret that caused the Recreance. Seeing the future could also explain the comment about women reading the book. What they are pleading for the reader to understand is why they chose to break their Oaths. As I said further above, an old days Radiant is still my number one suspect (could be before the Recreance, as you suggest, or after it). 7 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: Szeth: 4 Lines presently "I hung between realms, seeing into Shadesmar—the realm of the spren—and beyond." : We have a WoB that the barriers between Realms weakens as one approaches death, so any death/near-death experience would fit. "I thought that I was surely dead. Certainly, some who saw further than I did thought I had fallen." : His conversation with Nalan about being dead fits. "I did not die. I experienced something worse." : I got a Szeth vibe from this line the moment I read it. He didn't die, but who he was and his entire way of life did die. "I ask not that you forgive me." : Szeth had no illusions about his sins being forgiven in the afterlife, so he would not care about being forgiven in this life. Taravangian: 2 Lines presently "I hung between realms, seeing into Shadesmar—the realm of the spren—and beyond." : The Day of Brilliance and the Day of Interpretation. He certainly saw something when he made the Diagram. "I ask not that you forgive me. Nor that you even understand." : As he himself states: "I am the monster who will save this world." He would do whatever he has to do to save the world, regardless of the consequences. Wow! I never even thought of that. You make a really good point for Szeth. However, what about all the "women reading this"-business? Do the Shin share the Vorin opinion towards literate men? I somehow doubt that Szeth would find it worth pointing out. I could certainly buy that all that women-talk in the Epigraphs has nothing to do with Vorin gender roles but actually refers to some act or deed by the author that hits women harder than men; but even then I have no Idea what Szeth has done in that regard that would him use such a wording. As for Taravangian....I don't really buy it, though I suppose it could be.
ScavellTane Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 I'm in the Sunmaker camp. He was Shin, his death and revival or experience in Shadesmar could have led him to the path of conquest.
Jace21 he/him Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 The Sunmaker was Alethi, not Shin. That said I still think he is the Author. He certainly would have been considered a heretic during his time and I have a rough theory that his views on future-sight in Vorinism are due to a supernatural experience of his own.
+Wax he/him Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 One possible not discussed option is shshshsh 1
+Wax he/him Posted September 28, 2017 Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Also, it feels quite deliberate to hide the author’s name to make it a grand reveal. Shallan went practically 2017 teeny bopper in her dialogue to ensure “Radiant” sounded formal. So, a very deliberate strategy meaning a grand reveal of some sort. So, I voted for Sunmaker but I am thinking the name has to be a shock, ruling out Sunmaker. Edited October 1, 2017 by axcellence Spelling
The One Who Connects he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 15 hours ago, kraefzke said: As for Taravangian....I don't really buy it, though I suppose it could be. He was mainly added because he is able to read and write in Women's Script, allowing for such a book to come into being. Szeth(and the Stone Shamans) being able to write wouldn't shock me, but Taravangian was confirmed to be able to. 15 hours ago, kraefzke said: I could certainly buy that all that women-talk in the Epigraphs has nothing to do with Vorin gender roles but actually refers to some act or deed by the author that hits women harder than men; but even then I have no Idea what Szeth has done in that regard that would him use such a wording. Yea that one's a bit of a mystery. The lines being in regards to Vorin gender roles just seemed too.. easy, I guess. Having it be something else entirely felt more likely, if only because Brandon likes misdirection. I suppose I'm just going for Szeth for the same reason people are claiming it's Jasnah: I saw a line that immediately made me think of him.
Andy92 Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 My only issue with it being Szeth is that he arguably became less close to death after Brandon changed the ending of that fight scene. He went from being stabbed to just kind of giving up.
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, Andy92 said: My only issue with it being Szeth is that he arguably became less close to death after Brandon changed the ending of that fight scene. He went from being stabbed to just kind of giving up. He still died. He fell from the sky through the storm and was resurrected by Nale. The manner just changed.
+Wax he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 Why would Szeth name his book oathbringer? I thought it would have been truthless no more stonewalker or some such shin name.
Ansalem Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 19 hours ago, kraefzke said: Wow! I never even thought of that. You make a really good point for Szeth. However, what about all the "women reading this"-business? Do the Shin share the Vorin opinion towards literate men? Szeth himself can write. The words left at Gavilar's corpse that Dalinar thinks Gavilar wrote, Szeth wrote them. So I would say probably not. Szeth seems unlikely to me.
Farnsworth Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 It does sound lot like a Herald from the "worse than death" line. Also, the traitor part. They did break their oaths.
Mulk he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 I've seen this a couple of places and it's made me curious - Brandon changed the ending of the second Kaladin/Szeth fight? I own a hardback copy of WOR, and in it Kaladin stabs Szeth with Syl/Shardblade so his eyes burn out and he plummets down. Is that not the current ending?
Calderis he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Mulk said: I've seen this a couple of places and it's made me curious - Brandon changed the ending of the second Kaladin/Szeth fight? I own a hardback copy of WOR, and in it Kaladin stabs Szeth with Syl/Shardblade so his eyes burn out and he plummets down. Is that not the current ending? Both endings are considered cannon (which bothers me), but it was changed so that Kaladin diverts the strike and Szeth let's go of the blade and falls. I believe the new ending is available on Brandon's website, with an explanation of why he made the change, but he's also said that going forward the books will be written in a way that it doesn't matter which one you've read. In my mind, the first ending will remain, because Kaladin diverting his strike midswing, against an opponent who has been a massive threat, is inhumanly forgiving and makes Kaladin far too perfect of a good guy, which we know he's not. My two cents. Edited September 29, 2017 by Calderis
Andy92 Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 @Calderis I hadn't actually read the alternative ending so thanks for clarifying that part. I knew Szeth wasn't stabbed, so I guess I assumed in the alternate ending he just ended up badly injured instead of "dead." I also agree that the original ending is my favorite. I get why Brandon wanted Kaladin to grow into this character that was against killing, but at the same time, Kaladin simply is not his father. Kaladin is going to kill to protect others if absolutely necessary.
Mulk he/him Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, Calderis said: Both endings are considered cannon (which bothers me), but it was changed so that Kaladin diverts the strike and Szeth let's go of the blade and falls. I believe the new ending is available on Brandon's website, with an explanation of why he made the change, but he's also said that going forward the books will be written in a way that it doesn't matter which one you've read. In my mind, the first ending will remain, because Kaladin diverting his strike midswing, against an opponent who has been a massive threat, is inhumanly forgiving and makes Kaladin far too perfect of a good guy, which we know he's not. My two cents. Thanks. ultimately, I guess doesn't really change anything downstream as falling from that height still kills Szeth. I still prefer the first, like you. FInally found the link on his site where he describes the why. Don't know that I agree with it, as I don't think as told the fight is as much about vengeance as it was about removing a real threat to the man who is the chief object of his protection, but it is what it is.
IllNsickly he/him Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Ummm... Dalinar BONDED THE STORMFATHER. Combine that with his Blade named Oathbringer and how is this even a question. Navani transcribed it, though.
RazeU Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Is there a possibility that Gavilar is an option for the author?
Completeshards Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Well with the latest piece about spices, it's either a vorin male or a non-vorin. So that eliminates jasnah.
What's a Seawolf? Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Completeshards said: Well with the latest piece about spices, it's either a vorin male or a non-vorin. So that eliminates jasnah. It's a dead giveaway. Rock is the author.
Aleksiel Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Cooking metaphors don't fit any character we know, so I'm still for the Sunmaker. On 10/2/2017 at 3:40 AM, IllNsickly said: Ummm... Dalinar BONDED THE STORMFATHER. Combine that with his Blade named Oathbringer and how is this even a question. Navani transcribed it, though. Dalinar didn't name the Blade that way, it was the Sunmaker.
kari-no-sugata Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Completeshards said: Well with the latest piece about spices, it's either a vorin male or a non-vorin. So that eliminates jasnah. Personally I think the author is the Sunmaker (currently) but I don't think the line about spices is definitive about the author's gender. After all, the person expects that most of the readers will be female - the author is basically saying to the main readership "don't knock it until you've tried it" (or however you want to phrase it). Since the author self-identifies as a heretic anyway, eating a bit of men's food is really minor.
The Invested Beard Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 " It is not a lesson I claim to be able to teach. Experience herself is the great teacher, and you must seek her directly." Referring to experience with a female pronoun is an interesting choice as well. Would this be more likely from a female author or a male?
Hischier Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: " It is not a lesson I claim to be able to teach. Experience herself is the great teacher, and you must seek her directly." Referring to experience with a female pronoun is an interesting choice as well. Would this be more likely from a female author or a male? Don't think it matters. What matters is the part about experience, which makes the author non-Vorin and probably someone from Rira or Iri. Plot twist, the author is Evi.
Ansalem Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: " It is not a lesson I claim to be able to teach. Experience herself is the great teacher, and you must seek her directly." Referring to experience with a female pronoun is an interesting choice as well. Would this be more likely from a female author or a male? Could simply be cultural. Many cultures or languages refer to things or ideas with specific genders. We do it a little bit in English, for that matter. "Necessity is the mother of invention" for example. Why not father? Because. Scholarship in Vorin cultures is so often considered a feminine art, it's not surprising if they would refer to a generic teacher as female. Especially if their audience is expected to be female who would have been mostly taught by other women. If they used a metaphor about experience being a general or something I would expect them to refer to it as male.
IllNsickly he/him Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Aleksiel said: Cooking metaphors don't fit any character we know, so I'm still for the Sunmaker. Dalinar didn't name the Blade that way, it was the Sunmaker. Except possibly the ardent(?) couple we saw in an interlude. The folks studying spren, at any rate. And yar, the Blade has had it's name for Eons. I may have been drinking, I had to double check that I hadn't misspoke about it.
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