[OB] Oathbringer chapters 10-12

[rjl]

9 minutes ago, Calderis said:

They thought that keeping him separated from Dalinar would keep him from becoming a Radiant. That's nothing to do with Taravangian. They were acting on their own. 

No I don't think so, Words of Radiance chapter 84, bottom of page 1015, Graves speaking:

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We missed it. We missed it completely! We focussed on making certain you were separate from Dalinar, and not on what our actions might push you to become!

They were keeping him away from Dalinar as ordered by Mr T (so he didn't bump into Szeth) - they weren't thinking about the fact that they may accidentally push him to WindRunner level3.

[Calderis he/him]

Graves had his own goals, per WoB. Even if he did receive orders from Taravangian, I'm sure it amounted to "keep Dalinar away from the bridgemen" and nothing more. His own interpretation of Dalinar as king if Elhokar died runs completely at cross purposes with Taravangian's stated goals. If communication were as good as you guys are implying, he never would have been allowed to "peruse his own goals" as you are claiming. I can see them being given a specific task, but the different groups within the Diagram are mostly autonomous, and the WoB that I'll try to find and edit in here says that Brandon agrees he did not portray that well enough. 

Graves goal was Dalinar as king, not Dalinar dead.

[clyguy]

3 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

SAME! 

Ok. Parshmen strategy. Stealing boats, food, and making demands? Where is all the destruction? I want VOIDING not POLITICS. 

Also when is tarangavian going to betray dalinar

I think they are trying to make the preparing for war as hard as possible for Rosahar. If they leave everyone alive but starving, wounded, with out means of transportation then Dalinar and crew will have to spend precious resources dealing with keeping people alive as much as fighting the void-bringers. This is a similar tactic used by the Librarians in the 4th Alcatraz books and is a pretty effective strategy used in real world examples.

[The Invested Beard]

So a few points of interest for me:

- Kaladin's stuff felt kind of like filler except for a little tiny confirmation of the theory that lesser spren will become shardplate. The mechanism is a little different than most of us thought but it looks like it'll happen in this book or the next.

- The whole section of Renarin and Adolin was pure gold. So many interesting tidbits. Adolin's reflections really make me feel like Brandon has something cool planned for him that is going to blow people away. Renarin figuring out regular horses don't fit on Roshar. Glysblade! Renarin is totally legit now. Oh and thanks for the hand.

- Really interested to see where the whole voidbringer thing is headed as it's clearly not exactly what anyone expected. Oh and Mr. T? Not sure if he's going to end up being a mustache twirling villain, but something's definitely up. I'm thinking his Radiant isn't going to be someone we've seen before.

[vividox]

Oh wow, that Taravanagian ending, tho. Really stacking the dominos to fall, aren't we, Mr. Sanderson?

Syl-voyeur is... uh, interesting.

Renarin is awkward as ever, but now he has POWERS! I get the sense that he really does believe he's Odium's champion...

Kind of missing Shallan and Mraize right now. 

[dendrophobe he/him]

1 minute ago, vividox said:

 

I get the sense that he really does believe he's Odium's champion...

 

Whatever gave you that idea? I thought he was reluctant, but... I didn't see anything sinister or even worrisome in his exchange with Adolin.

[Argent he/him]

Chapter 10:

 

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She tried showing him her sketch again. It wasn’t much better than a child’s drawing: a bunch of scribbles in vaguely humanoid shapes.

Heh. I chuckled. Like Kaladin. Guys, Kaladin chuckled!

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Fifty parshmen in warform—which was what the descriptions sounded most like to him

Huh. Warform? That's not a form of power, the ex-Parshmen might not be Voidbringers at all. The way I see it, they were freed by either the unchanged listeners (and so they are sticking to the safer forms; which could explain why they only went after the food), or they were freed by some stormforms... but then nothing else makes sense. I am heavily leaning towards the former, but I'll keep an eye out.

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He tried— unsuccessfully—to banish the image of lying in bed with a woman, Syl sitting on the headboard and shouting out encouragement and advice.…

I will personally hold Brandon accountable if this scene never happens. Check in with me after SA10 comes out. Also, Syl? The greatest thing ever. All the time. Forever.

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Adolin often had felt he could read his own Ryshadium’s emotions. There had been a… bond between him and Sureblood. More delicate and indefinable than the bond between man and sword, but still there.

I do wonder if there was an actual bond between a Radiant and their Ryshadium. It sounds like a weird thing to have - I mean, both have a spren bond, but a bond between them? Maybe it was just some interference...

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“Ryshadium have stone hooves,” Renarin said, “stronger than ordinary horses’. Never need to be shod.”

Loooreee!

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He took a deep breath, then stretched his hand to the side and summoned a long glowing Shardblade. Thin, with almost no crossguard, it had waving folds to the metal, like it had been forged.

Hey, that's kind of like a rapier. Renarin is pirate, confirmed.

Also, I do so love the dynamic between the Kholin boys in this scene. I am revisiting my well-formed "Renarin is a creeplord" theory from before. I still think there's some fishy stuff going on with him, but maybe Shallan is just picking on those aspects a little too strongly. Which could make sense if she is also sensing something weird about Urithiru. 

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Renarin looked to him, then smiled. A pulse of Radiance washed through Adolin, and for an instant he saw himself perfected. A version of himself that was somehow complete and whole, the man he could be.

Radiance. I wonder how we are going to be using the term, I like it. It's probably something Adolin made up on the spot, but it's good.

Also, Lightweaving (from the perfected self-image, something we've seen Shallan do too) and Regrowth (from the healed hand)? Lightweaving might end up being a little more complicated than anticipated...

Chapter 11: The Rift

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Storms, this power. It felt remarkably like the Thrill.

Maybe worth keeping this in mind when we start learning how Plate works.

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“All right,” Sadeas said. “Let’s do this carefully. Remember the plan. Gavilar, you—”

Gavilar gave Dalinar a grin, slammed his faceplate down, then took off running to leave Sadeas midsentence. Dalinar whooped and joined him, Plated boots grinding against stone.

Young Sadeas is me, as a raid leader. The Kholins are my raid group. 

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“The Rift” was a fitting name. To his right, the chasm narrowed, but here at the middle he’d have been hard-pressed to throw a stone across to the other side, even with Shardplate. And within it, there was life. Gardens bobbing with lifespren. Buildings built practically on top of one another down the V-shaped cliff sides. The place teemed with a network of stilts, bridges, and wooden walkways.

This is a big part of why I read Stormlight. Everything about it is excellent, but the one thing I can get in virtually no other book is the alien-ness of the world.

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Well, Tanalan was a fine enough fellow.

Much like Tanavast, in fact. Tanalan. Tanavast. Hmm...

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It was the only drug he cared about for the pain—and maybe it would help with the shame too. Both feelings seemed stark, now that the Thrill had receded and left him deflated.

What did you do, Blackthorn? Are you ashamed you killed a child, or that you spared one? Gavilar says you killed the boy, and at this point of your life I can believe that, but "Dalinar closed his eyes, distracted by the shame he felt. What if Gavilar found out?" doesn't fit. I think the kid's alive.

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“Oathbringer?”

“Your sword,” Gavilar said. “Storms, didn’t you listen to anything last night? That’s Sunmaker’s old sword.”

Sadees, the Sunmaker. He had been the last man to unite Alethkar, centuries ago.

This is the first time we hear Sunmaker's name, isn't it? The reveal that Oathbringer used to belong to Sunmaker was in this chapter's version included in Unfettered II, but not Sunmaker's name, I think. Good to know.

Chapter 12: Negotiations

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Curiously, each seat had a small pedestal beside it. For the Radiant’s spren, the Stormfather told him.

Aww, that's nice. 

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You are greeted by His Imperial Majesty Ch.V.D. Yanagawn the First, Emperor of Makabak, King of Azir, Lord of the Bronze Palace, Prime Aqasix, grand minister and emissary of Yaezir.

If I ever catch up on all of the (120+ so far) replies I've missed, I'll be looking at what Ch. V. D. stands for. It's certainly a very Azish thing to do though.

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“He supposedly raised a child from the dead,” Teshav said, “a miracle that gained him the support of the viziers. Local word is that they had trouble finding a new Prime after the last two were murdered by our old friend the Assassin in White. So the viziers picked a boy with questionable lineage and made up a story about him saving someone’s life in order to demonstrate a divine mandate.”

It's interesting how the story has deviated from the truth.

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“They can write?” Navani pressed. “The Voidbringers themselves are sending you contracts?”

What.

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“Bah!” Dalinar said, pushing himself back from the table. “Fools, idiots! Storming lighteyes and Damnation’s own politics!” He stalked across the room, wishing he had something to kick, before forcing his temper under control.

Wow, I actually feel frustrated at the Azish. That's amazing.

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The spanreed quickly scribbled a reply. Queen Fen was writing directly in Alethi. “ ‘Kholin,’ ” Kalami read, “ ‘you old brute. Quit spreading chull scat. What do you really want?’ ”

“I always did like her,” Navani noted.

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Dalinar drew a breath. We don’t know half as much about the Voidbringers as we assumed.

Same here, buddy. Same here.

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A troubling problem, but one that Dalinar thought he might have an answer to. There was a weapon that he’d decided to keep hidden for now. It might work as well as a Radiant’s Shardblade in opening the Oathgates— and might let someone reach Thaylen City by flight.

Oh, you still have the Honorblade, don't you. Of course.

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We have lore surrounding them here, that the one most Passionate could cause the portal of worlds to open again.

I wonder if that refers to someone holy and pious, or is just another term for Surgebinder/Radiant.

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“Well, I shouldn’t be.” He knelt, shocking Navani and causing her to pull to a stop three-quarters of the way up the steps. “Dalinar Kholin,” Elhokar said in a loud voice, “I swear to you now. There are princes and highprinces. Why not kings and highkings? I give an oath, immutable and witnessed, that I accept you as my monarch. As Alethkar is to me, I am to you.”

Well.

Okay.

Did not see that coming. 

Yeah, I am pretty shocked actually. I absolutely approve, and it's awesome, I just didn't think Elhokar was good enough, strong enough, to do something like this. I'll have to revise my opinion of the man, that must've taken a lot of courage, to submit himself to Dalinar like that. 

Oh, hey, on a different note, you know who likes bravery and obedience? Chana. And the Dustbringers. Just saying.

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I need one of your Radiants. The hero, preferably.”

“The hero?”

“The bridgeman,” Elhokar said. “The soldier. He needs to go with me, so if I screw up and fail, someone will be there to save the city anyway.”

Dalinar blinked. “That’s very… um…”

Storms, I am beginning to really like Elhokar! That's a very charming fatalism and self-depreciation you've got going for you, kid. I dig that.

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“It was sent by Taravangian, king of Jah Keved and Kharbranth.”

Oooh, boy. Ohboy. This is ten ways not good, no, no, no. 

But I am curious about this supposed Radiant he has.

[scifan he/him]

It'll be interesting to see a Szeth/Taravangian reunion... 

[JoyBlu she/her]

Here are my reactions to chapters 10-12  I haven't read any other posts yet.

• Chapter 10: Distractions

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Perhaps my heresy stretches back to those days in my childhood, where these ideas began.

—From Oathbringer, preface

Sounds like Jasnah again or perhaps Shallan.  But seriously I'm not going to think about this anymore

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give him some lift.

Chuckling at that!  Looking forward to seeing Lift and having some pancakes soon.

Kaladin is smiling and chucked -- even when the weather was gloomy outside? He is relaxed now.

I loved the conversations with Syl.  It really is like he has an imaginary friend.  I want my own spren to talk to.

Gumfrems:  So I just searched the kindle version of both WoK & WoR (yes I broke down and bought it) and yes this is a new word.  Haven't heard this before but the soulcasting of meat is fascinating.  I didn't comprehend that a certain type of gem was necessary to create food. I remember that Jasnah used three different types of gem in her soulcaster but then again she didn't soulcast meat.  (The jam was her only food she soulcast, right? and the wine/blood that Shallan soulcast) I think it is saying here that you need a gumfrem gem to soulcast meat.  Is that what everyone else understood? Gumfrem.  It is fun to say. I want some Rutabaga with my Gumfrem please!

SYLBLADE: This made me laugh.  I like it though.

The Blade is indeed a symbol and I like how KAladin understood that her.

VOIDBRINGERS:  They do not appear to be "dull" and they are wise enough to know they need food.  The chose to pillage rather that attack.  The Ringing in the Ear intrigues me.  Was it a rhythm that was heard that is staying? Was it a type of hypnosis? The fact the the "parshmen" are not attacking reminds me of what Mr Taravangian says in WoR interlude 14, about needing the people population, someone to work and to govern over.

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"Only here, it depopulated a kingdom."

Let us hope, Mrall, that you make an overstatement.": Taravangian said.  "We will need this kingdom's people."

--page 905 WoR (I14)

 

And thanks to Syl for pointing out the "I'll try not to make it weird"  love triangle brews between Kaladin, Shallan, and Adolin. (but I still think Renarin is falling for Shallan (I know many of you disagree but I'm sticking to it @ccstat )). A love quadrangle? It is interesting that despite being a Radiant (equal to Shallan) that Kaladin still views himself as not being able to be with Shallan because he is a dark-eye. (the fact that she is betrothed to Adolin was almost an afterthought). I was blushing during this segment and have decided that I'm ok without having a spren to talk to.  Especially during those intimate moments in my life.  How will the spren play into a possible romantic relationship? This could indeed get very strange.  What if you liked someone and they liked you but your spren didn't like each other?

Adolin  Why not just change the POV in the middle of the chapter? Just when I thought you were doing shorter chapters . . . . .

BLADE, PLATE, MOUNT = I fully expect to learn the history behind each of these 3 things from Dalinar's past and possibly others as well.  (Gavilar, Sadeus)

Yes -- I know Adolin has a hurt wrist.  Thanks for the reminder.  Again. I'm glad that Adolin is getting in some horse therapy to help him deal with being murdering Sadeus. He needed something to calm him down.

GLYS & SYL those letters seem awfully similar.  Are those two spren friends? related somehow?

so when Glys & Syl die, will they become a Shardblade? I don't think that is what happened to Sly when she "died"  Maybe if their human dies while they are bonded? Interesting.

Renarin can heal others!!!!!!!!  Just like YM.  (Thanks @Agent34 for pointing out the shoemaker/cobblers name) I so want someone to have this healing power.  I'm glad Adolin's wrist is all better now!

 

SPREN OBSERVATIONS for Oathbringer Chapter 10: Distractions

rainspren (blue candles)

anticipationspren

COLOR OBSERVATIONS for Oathbringer Chapter 10: Distractions

red lights (in eyes)

one watery blue eye (Gallant the Horse)

blue candles (rainspren)

 

• Chapter 11: The Rift

So this chapter just made me sick.  I hadn't read it before and I am sick to my stomach.  Here are some things I wrote down.

Rathalus is the name of the city and the Rift is the nickname.  The Rift was not a name of the battle. Thakka was there.  So was Teleb.  A lot of people have reason to really loathe the Blackthorn.  Just like Moash held a grudge against Roshone, there are a lot of people who have good reason to detest Dalinar.  I know he has changed -- but I think some of his past actions will come to haunt him as the future leader when he tries to unite others.  What an amazing line Dalinar says about Sadeus.  "He'll find one of his own (shardblade) eventually."  It makes the sacrifice Dalinar made of the Oathbringer sword to Sadeus even more poignant now that we know the history.

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Dalinar closed his eyes, distracted by the shame he felt. What if Gavilar found out?

Found out What?  My only guess is that he was referring to the Thrill and to his addiction to it? I don't think I am right though. Found out why he was fighting?

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“Why are we here, fighting? Is it for honor? Is it for Alethkar?”

and why is Gavilar the one asking Dalinar why they are fighting?  I thought that it was Dalinar who just did what his brother told him to do. When did this change?  and Why are they fighting?  To take Dalinar's mind off Navani?

I liked hearing more of the history of Oathbringer and the Sunmaker even though the scene made me sick.  I also liked how Gavilar having a little girl (Jasnah) seemed to change him.  Does Sadeus have kids?  I don't recall any. Also -- are there any other Kohler siblings? Or is it just Gavilar & Dalinar?

SPREN OBSERVATIONS for Oathbringer Chapter 11: The Rift

anticipationspren

lifespren

angerspren

painspren

exhastionspren

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bright blue (Gavilar's clothes)

stark white plumes (Tanalan)  (could this be a sign of his innocence?)

glowing bits of Ruby

black arrow

Dalinar saw red

pale green eyes (Gavilar)

 

• Chapter 12: Negotiations

Windows!  (Plural) more that one

"Men like you . . . no better, no worse" -- That gives me hope, but also makes me sick at the same time.  also "He was not the youth he had once been" (Thank the storms!)

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Some things are better left forgotten, the voice said to him. You of all men should understand this, considering the hole in your mind and the person who once filled it.

Ouch!

Hello Mysterious May!  I am still waiting to find out more about you.

 --- I really need to re-read Edgedancer.  Like today.

So did Azir (the city) cast only one long, long shadow?  (as opposed to 9) and was it in the correct direction????

Hidden Weapon that can help with Flight?  uh?  Will the Stormfather carry someone?

Thaylen Merchant? Who could that possibly be?

Love the usurp thrones comment from Elhokar and the idea of a highking.  There was lots of speculation about the "emperor" or something, but HighKing seems to fit.

WHAT WORDS did Elhokar speak? Were they important words? How important were those words?

 

--- Riots (I just reread WoR Interlude 12, (Lhan) which totally explains what was going on with those riots and the queen in case you want to know where to reread that.  page 893.

-- And Mr Taravangian.  (page 901 for his WoR interlude 14 on how he became the King)  I guess that Mr T is doing his best to keep his enemies close to him.  It doesn't sound like Dalinar remembers Mr T as a friend of Gavilar's but he was so drunk that he may not have remembered him being there the night Gavilar was killed by Szeth. How much will those two work together?  Sounds like Dalinar will show all his chips and then Mr T will decide where they fall.  Who is Taravangian's radiant? Is it Adrotagia? I wish I could warn Dalinar . . . . . . . . . this will be interesting.

 

SPREN OBSERVATIONS for Oathbringer Chapter 12: Negotiations

coldspren

gloryspren

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sun burning white

bright green havah

ruby flashed

red eyes

 

[SilverTiger she/her]

I like the idea of Elhokar becoming Kaladin's squire. Elhokar is a king, and the Windrunners' are Protecting/Leading. Plus, he could learn a lot from Kaladin.

There is a theory floating around that the bastard son of the highprince-turned-king of Jah Keved (the odd-eyed one in Mr. T's interlude) is a Radiant... but he is male.

Also, I wonder where the archer, Teleb, is. It doesn't say he died, in fact, it indicates that he survived. But where is he now?

Edited September 19, 2017 by SilverTiger

[yulerule]

35 minutes ago, ccstat said:

Syl has to go under or around doors, not through them, requiring space.  Even intangible she must respect the physical constraints of matter?  Or is it the cognitive concept of a door/wall keeping things out that she must respect?

 

35 minutes ago, ccstat said:

 This was a surprise to me. I also wonder if it's true of all spren.

It's definitely true of Wyndle and Pattern.

I have couple of WoBs:

 

 

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QUESTION

A dullform Listener is indoors when the Everstorm passes over, will they be transformed into a Voidform?

BRANDON SANDERSON

No. It depends on the strength of the boundary between them, but it is possible for them to...Being transformed, taking new forms, there is a measure of will behind it, meaning for instance, even when Eshonai took the new form, she had herself open to taking a new form. By the time she didn’t want to, it was too late. But she had made the decision, even though she’d been kind of misled in some ways. If a parshmen were even in the Everstorm, and aggressively didn't want this to happen, I'm not saying they won't, but there is room for discussion whether or not they would change there. But also one who DOES want to, and there's only a pane of glass and things like that, then yeah.

 

 

 

 

 

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Yulerule: If a Parshendi takes a parshman by the hand, gives them a gemstone with a spren in it, leads him out into a highstorm, can the parshman become a parhsendi in the same way that they become a voidbringer?

A: Now, yes, before no. The everstorm changed them, there’s something going on. In fact, as that scene continues, with Gavilar and Eshonai, there is a clue in that scene. But I didn’t get to that part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hischier]

Loved everything about the first chapter. Syl is the best. Glad we got a little more of Renarin. Reading him from Adolin's perspective vs Shallan's perspective is night and day.  That part also kills some of the Renarin is going to end up a villain talk.  That's the one thing about getting a few chapters each week, it's so easy to overanalyze every scene.

Regarding the Azir issue. Spoiler for Edgedancer.

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Last we checked Lift was heading back to Azir, right? So assuming she still is and she'll probably see Grawx.  Unless the Azir situation drags on, it seems likely she'll have at least some part to play in this book. 

And there goes my Elhokar is being turned into a villain theory (well for now anyway).  

I can't see the Mr. T thing going well at all.  I have no clue what to think about him.  I don't think he'll actively try to assassinate Dalinar now (how could he?) but I can't see him just agreeing to follow him. I really want to understand the NightWatcher more.  And I wonder if we'll get to meet a new radiant.  

 

[The Invested Beard]

8 minutes ago, Argent said:

Also, I do so love the dynamic between the Kholin boys in this scene. I am revisiting my well-formed "Renarin is a creeplord" theory from before. I still think there's some fishy stuff going on with him, but maybe Shallan is just picking on those aspects a little too strongly. Which could make sense if she is also sensing something weird about Urithiru. 

 

What did you do, Blackthorn? Are you ashamed you killed a child, or that you spared one? Gavilar says you killed the boy, and at this point of your life I can believe that, but "Dalinar closed his eyes, distracted by the shame he felt. What if Gavilar found out?" doesn't fit. I think the kid's alive.

 

One the first part, yeah I'm really digging the difference in how Renarin comes across based on whose viewpoint we're seeing him through. Shallan sees him as creepy and Adolin I think understands him much better and we get a clearer picture of what's really going on. Way to go Sanderson, that's a level of depth to your writing that many authors don't really get to.

Second part: I think he was referring to his earlier worry about Gavilar finding out his feelings about Navani.

[+Spicker]

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"Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation;"

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Renarin blushed, then nodded. People had trouble following him sometimes, but that was merely because he tended to be so thoughtful. He’d be thinking about something deep, something brilliant, and then would only mention a part. It made him seem erratic, but once you got to know him, you realized he wasn’t trying to be esoteric. His lips just sometimes failed to keep up with his brain.

It seems like Brandon really wants it to hit home that Renarin is a Truthwatcher 
We know there is something else going on, but not being a real radiant doesn't seem to be one of them. At least that is one thing we can hopefully cross off the list.

Edited September 19, 2017 by Spicker

[the_archduke]

11 minutes ago, JoyBlu said:

 

Gumfrems:  So I just searched the kindle version of both WoK & WoR (yes I broke down and bought it) and yes this is a new word.  Haven't heard this before but the soulcasting of meat is fascinating.  I didn't comprehend that a certain type of gem was necessary to create food. I remember that Jasnah used three different types of gem in her soulcaster but then again she didn't soulcast meat.  (The jam was her only food she soulcast, right? and the wine/blood that Shallan soulcast) I think it is saying here that you need a gumfrem gem to soulcast meat.  Is that what everyone else understood? Gumfrem.  It is fun to say. I want some Rutabaga with my Gumfrem please!

 

According to the Ars Arcanum, heliodor is associated with soulcasting meat and flesh.  Gumfrems must have heliodor gemhearts.

From the same source, helidor is associated with Ishar... we don't know where he is yet.  Ishar = a random gumfrem in the field Kaladin passed confirmed!

[redbishop]

16 minutes ago, Argent said:

Also, Lightweaving (from the perfected self-image, something we've seen Shallan do too) and Regrowth (from the healed hand)? Lightweaving might end up being a little more complicated than anticipated...

The Surge of Illumination wouldn't be the first Surge we have seen manifest in more than one way.  Gravitation has both the Basic and Reverse Lashings.  Progression has Growth and Regrowth.  Perhaps they will all ultimately follow this pattern, and we'll see a second employment of all the Surges.

[Darvys]

Hmm, the part where Dalinar says some of his memories were coming back more vividly, is his bond with the Stormfather dispelling the Nightwatcher's interference ? Could he actualy soon remember what he did and why ? I always assumed it would be others who'd find out somehow (his sons mainly) and be affected while he remained ignorant.

[+Spicker]

20 minutes ago, Argent said:

What did you do, Blackthorn? Are you ashamed you killed a child, or that you spared one? Gavilar says you killed the boy, and at this point of your life I can believe that, but "Dalinar closed his eyes, distracted by the shame he felt. What if Gavilar found out?" doesn't fit. I think the kid's alive.

I was thinking the same thing when I read it
I had heard from others who had read this before that Dalinar had killed a kid for his shardblade, but after reading it myself I am not convinced that is what he did (for the same reasons you pointed out). 
If the kid is still alive somehow, we definitely will be seeing him again.

[Bernem he/him]

We finally get mention of the honorblade in these chapters. I wonder if the Shin know what has happened to Szeth, and where the blade is. In WoK, it says the stone shamans would retrieve it when Szeth died. Are they coming to Urithiru? Do they realize they were wrong in making Szeth a Truthless?

[SilverTiger she/her]

Hey, I just noiced this, but Ryshadium have rectangular pupils. That's interesting, especially combined with stone hooves.

[+robardin he/him]

1 minute ago, Spicker said:

I was thinking the same thing when I read it
I had heard from others who had read this before that Dalinar had killed a kid for his shardblade, but after reading it myself I am not convinced that is what he did (for the same reasons you pointed out). 
If the kid is still alive somehow, we definitely will be seeing him again.

I had hoped this was true, too, the first time I read it, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Why would Dalinar be ashamed of NOT killing a seven year old boy?

 

[SilverTiger she/her]

2 minutes ago, robardin said:

I had hoped this was true, too, the first time I read it, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Why would Dalinar be ashamed of NOT killing a seven year old boy?

 

Because the Blackthorn is ruthless, merciless, and will do whatever his brother commands. This is the Blackthorn, not Dalinar as we know him.

[mariapapadia she/her]

3 hours ago, Stark said:

Also, on my first reading, that storeroom that was raided?  I really felt that between the few injured townspeople, and the really bad drawings from the Ardent, mixed with the really shaky descriptions of the voidbringers (barely more than standard parshmen with some myth gloss applied) that the town was trying to con him.  They disappeared their own stores to get aid from the king or something, after hearing about the generous radiant going around giving away free money.  I still don't trust that small town, though finding that they also stole boats diminishes my suspicion a bit.

 

YESSS!! I got the same feeling, but then saw that wierd things are happening with the parshmen all over the world, so I dropped it.. 

3 hours ago, Pammie said:

So Renarin hasn't told them yet that he has a blade? Even after his discussion with Adolin? I guess that these two POVs are probably happening simultaneously, but still, I can see now why people would be annoyed when Truthwatchers never told anybody anything. My gosh, just have a clear conversation with Shallan or Dalinar!!! Let us see your spren!!!!

 

I guess Dalinar was thinking more in the lines that Kaladin is the only one that can get places right now thanks to him being a Windrunner. He didn't mention Shallan either and she has a blade. So.. 

2 hours ago, Pammie said:

I'm crossing my fingers that Lift will just randomly pop up from the Oathgate, hopefully right in the middle of a really dramatic scene. Imagine: there's a bang, a flash of light and suddenly a barefoot, half-starved, beggar girl with no safehand is standing on the Oathgate, brandishing a ShardFork and threatening to eat somebody if they don't take her to Dalinar pronto.

Hahahha ! This really made me laugh 

 

I am the slowest reader so when I come here everything is pretty much said

Elhokar is becoming a character that I really enjoy even though I started the series with a lot of annoyance towards him. He keeps surprising me and I like were this is going.

At least we have confirmation that Dalinar has the blade. I am glad he also understands the importance of it and if he's going to give it to Elhokar, I think it will be because he shows something promising and not to temper his whims. He still doesn't feel like the right person for me though.. but I'm in for la Kaladin/Elhokar bromance/adventure. His child like enthusiasm got to me.

Also did anyone else got the feeling that each week we get a direct reply to something everyone debates on? Last week was the spanreed, this week Renarin .. 

Edited September 19, 2017 by mariapapadia

[yulerule]

These flashbacks are here to show us who Blackthorn was. When we read that title in WoR and tWoK, it meant very little to us - now we see it means a killer. That's the point - not to see the current nice Dalinar - but the really scary, almost amoral guy he was then.  He definitely killed the kid. The shame is about Navani. Also, I read Unfettered, so ... It gets worse.

[Hischier]

3 minutes ago, robardin said:

I had hoped this was true, too, the first time I read it, but the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Why would Dalinar be ashamed of NOT killing a seven year old boy?

 

Why not show the scene of him killing the kid if he did it? That combined with some of Dalinar's thoughts makes me think he spared the kid.