The Invested Beard Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Extesian said: Tezim is Bavadin yo Edited September 15, 2017 by The Invested Beard 3
The Invested Beard Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 “ ‘A warning,’” Navani read, “ ‘from Tezim the Great, last and first man, Herald of Heralds and bearer of the Oathpact. His grandness, immortality, and power be praised. Lift up your heads and hear, men of the east, of your God’s proclamation. “ ‘None are Radiant but him. His fury is ignited by your pitiful claims, and your unlawful capture of his holy city is an act of rebellion, depravity, and wickedness. Open your gates, men of the east, to his righteous soldiers and deliver unto him your spoils. “ ‘Renounce your foolish claims and swear yourselves to him. The judgment of the final storm has come to destroy all men, and only his path will lead to deliverance. He deigns to send you this single mandate, and will not speak it again. Even this is far above what your carnal natures deserve.’ ” Alrighty guys some real juicy stuff here. I'm more and more on board with this being either Jezrien or Ishar. 2
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 I am pretty much convinced that Tezim is Ishar by now. I wonder when he will start sending people to reclaim Urithiru. Sesemalex Dar is not that far away.
What's a Seawolf? Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Has to be Ishar or Jezrien. Though I suppose an Unmade is still a possibility. (I think it was Mraize who said he's not convinced 'that creature is human' or something to that effect.) I'm leaning Ishar over Jezrien because of 'bearer of the Oathpact' and 'none are Radiant but him.' It was Ishar who had the idea to break the Oathpact, and Ishar who told Nale (from what we know, anyway) to go killing all the Radiants.
The Invested Beard Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, What's a Seawolf? said: Has to be Ishar or Jezrien. Though I suppose an Unmade is still a possibility. (I think it was Mraize who said he's not convinced 'that creature is human' or something to that effect.) I'm leaning Ishar over Jezrien because of 'bearer of the Oathpact' and 'none are Radiant but him.' It was Ishar who had the idea to break the Oathpact, and Ishar who told Nale (from what we know, anyway) to go killing all the Radiants. It would be interesting to see if we get a scene of Nale flying in to confront Tezim/Ishar about the wrongness of the mission to kill proto-radiants.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: It would be interesting to see if we get a scene of Nale flying in to confront Tezim/Ishar about the wrongness of the mission to kill proto-radiants. I'd love that, but I would bet on Ishar besting Nale. With all the buildup he has got, I assume that he will be an important villain. Nale has already served one purpose in the story, and it remains to be seen if he will get another role/arc, or be killed off. Edited October 17, 2017 by Toaster Retribution
Mulk he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 I was thinking Ishar or Jezrien myself. Jezrien as he was considered the lead or king Herald, right? Ishar because of how much he knows, and how that may have driven him mad. In any case, I'm with the Beard, I'd love to see a scene of Nale going in to deal with this.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said: Though I suppose an Unmade is still a possibility. (I think it was Mraize who said he's not convinced 'that creature is human' or something to that effect.) Yup, we have a WoM on that (Word of Mraize). 1
The Invested Beard Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 As cognitive shadows (technically) I think the Heralds still count as not quite human.
Darkness he/him Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 16 hours ago, The Invested Beard said: As cognitive shadows (technically) I think the Heralds still count as not quite human. They also aren't originally from Roshar the planet, so 'not of the local variety' totally applies.
Aleksiel Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) If it's Ishar, then he acknowledges a new Desolation is here. What about Taln, though? He is the one who was left with the burden of the Oathpact. I know Dalinar has a madman saying he is Taln, but there's this WoB: Quote QUESTION () Are the Heralds actually aware that Taln is back? BRANDON SANDERSON Are the Heralds aware that Taln is back? Uh, you're implying that this person actually is Taln I haven't seen a more recent one about this. I agree the likeliest candidates for Tezim is one of the Heralds, followed by another Bondsmith (doesn't fit what Mraize said, but he could be wrong), crazy Aimian or a crazy person like the one pretending to be the God of a vegetable village, but on a bigger scale. Edited October 18, 2017 by Aleksiel
Jack33210 Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 Whoever came up with that theory that Tezim was Ishar (not guessing) using the clues from Edgedancer and the first two books is a genius. I wonder if the other Heralds have a moment of clarity like Nale did. Or will there come a moment where they actually have to fight them?
StormblessDave Posted October 19, 2017 Posted October 19, 2017 Plot twist, its Hoid in disguise On a serious note, I believe Brandon has something unexpected up his sleeve.
Dahak he/him Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 On 12/09/2017 at 3:31 PM, Calderis said: "Aspect of the Almighty" lends some credence to the "Tezim is a Herald" theory. Assuming he's not just crazy that is. Or unfortuantely the suggestion he's Kelsier. Who has form for impersonating gods.
Calderis he/him Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Dahak said: Or unfortuantely the suggestion he's Kelsier. Who has form for impersonating gods. Yeah, I seriously doubt we'll see Kel in SA
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dahak said: Or unfortuantely the suggestion he's Kelsier. Who has form for impersonating gods. I have a hard time seeing this happen. It would only add more Cosmere references to the story, something Brandon isn't too keen on doing.
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 4:20 AM, Aleksiel said: If it's Ishar, then he acknowledges a new Desolation is here. What about Taln, though? He is the one who was left with the burden of the Oathpact. I know Dalinar has a madman saying he is Taln, but there's this WoB: I haven't seen a more recent one about this. I agree the likeliest candidates for Tezim is one of the Heralds, followed by another Bondsmith (doesn't fit what Mraize said, but he could be wrong), crazy Aimian or a crazy person like the one pretending to be the God of a vegetable village, but on a bigger scale. This was bugging me too. He actually didn't say he was left with the burden of the Oathpact I think we are making that jump here and this was exactly how I read it as well. Quote “ ‘A warning,’” Navani read, “ ‘from Tezim the Great, last and first man, Herald of Heralds and bearer of the Oathpact. His grandness, immortality, and power be praised. Lift up your heads and hear, men of the east, of your God’s proclamation. He says he is bearer of the Oathpact which we assumed to be the last bearer of the Oathpact but all Heralds were bearers of the Oathpact. Normally I would say that it makes more sense in this context to assume the statement means last bearer except for the fact he also says Herald of Heralds which would be Jezrien. So one of these claims is false if you assume he is claiming to be the last bearer of the Oathpath. Of course this could just be the ramblings of a crazy guy that has his Herald history mixed up. I am leaning towards Ishar if he is a herald but I did have to first dismiss Taln because of the two points you made.
Calderis he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, StormingTexan said: he also says Herald of Heralds which would be Jezrien. You're not the first I've seen say this part, and I don't understand it. Jezrien was a king prior to being a Herald. We have no evidence that he was leader of the Heralds. At least none of which I'm aware.
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Calderis said: You're not the first I've seen say this part, and I don't understand it. Jezrien was a king prior to being a Herald. We have no evidence that he was leader of the Heralds. At least none of which I'm aware. He is referenced as the King of Heralds in the prelude but to your point that could just mean he is a king I dunno maybe there is more I am not remembering I guess I just took this for face value in the prelude. Edit- Only other thing is Taln says he will teach leadership but again that could just be from his experience as a king. Edited October 23, 2017 by StormingTexan
The Invested Beard Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 I'm torn on whether or not Jezrien or Ishar would have been the leader of the heralds. Without a little more info we aren't going to know for sure. I lean towards Ishar though.
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Well dang I just always assumed this to be fact. I checked Coppermind and it states he is was the leader of heralds. The evidence though is pretty circumstantial and up for interpretation. Edited October 23, 2017 by StormingTexan
Blacksmithki Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 What order is each herald? Because the windrunners had the attribute of leadership.
The Invested Beard Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Blacksmithki said: What order is each herald? Because the windrunners had the attribute of leadership. Ishar is the Bondsmith Herald, which gives some credence to his leadership and exclusivity.
Blacksmithki Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: Ishar is the Bondsmith Herald, which gives some credence to his leadership and exclusivity. Yah, I remember Ishar, Taln, and Ash, and (blanking on name) Darkness. None of the other's orders.
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