Paladin Brewer he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 So...on Roshar aluminum can only be created via soulcasting. So then, how do they know it's aluminum. Does that make sense? I mean if they have to create it synthetically and they don't have actual aluminum, how do they know what it is? 1
Calderis he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Paladin Brewer said: So...on Roshar aluminum can only be created via soulcasting. So then, how do they know it's aluminum. Does that make sense? I mean if they have to create it synthetically and they don't have actual aluminum, how do they know what it is? Considering you have to be able to envision something properly to soulcast it, the only reasonable explanation is that it was brought originally by worldhoppers, and replicated.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Probably what Calderis said. Another guess is that the Heralds might have been behind the introduction of aluminum to the Rosharan people.
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 That is a fairly good point. If they didn't have any idea then they could never soulcast it. The most logical conclusion is that worldhoppers brought it to roshar and perhaps even taught the ardents/humanity what it was in order to replicate it.
Calderis he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Probably what Calderis said. Another guess is that the Heralds might have been behind the introduction of aluminum to the Rosharan people. I don't know why the Heralds didn't even cross my mind. That's a very good, and probably more accurate idea. Although if the Tranquiline Halls mythos is based on truth, then their originally worldhoppers too... 1
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Even the Heralds would have needed to get the knowledge from somewhere. I suppose that it is possible that it came to Roshar with Tavanast and that he in turn turned that knowledge over to heralds.
Weltall Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Taln's spiel talks about Soulcasting bronze to make weapons with the implication that this is his standard message to the peoples of Roshar whenever the Heralds return. If Kalak knows how to do that, he could easily have learned aluminium at some point and passed it on shortly before Aharietiam, and the millenia without a Desolation allowed that knowledge to remain instead of being lost. If the Heralds didn't come from Roshar originally but were from, say, Ashyn before a mass-migration to Roshar that got remembered as the Tranquiline Halls>Roshar exodus, maybe they knew about aluminum from that planet. What little we know of Ashyn suggests it's the kind of place where aluminum could be found naturally. Or Tanavast taught the secret of the metal to them. Either way, very good question!
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Wisdom of the Heral... hey, @Shqueeves that's my line!
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) @Oversleep its never too late to say Wisdom of the Heralds it can explain much and never gets old. Edited August 10, 2017 by Nathrangking
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, Nathrangking said: @Oversleep its never too late to say Knowledge of the Heralds it can explain much and never gets old. I came up with "Wisdom of the Heralds" in the previous thread about aluminum on Roshar :| If this takes off as a meme, I'm just saying I started it
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Stormfather! You have discovered the great secret of the SA every impossible question can now be solved with The Wisdom of the Heralds.
+Extesian he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I came up with "Wisdom of the Heralds" in the previous thread about aluminum on Roshar :| If this takes off as a meme, I'm just saying I started it Proper attribution is dead, but I'll see what I can do. Edit - ironically I then forgot to sign each picture with Oversleep's name Wisdom of the Heralds Edited August 10, 2017 by Extesian 2
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, Extesian said: Actually it was almost a month ago. 1
+Extesian he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Oversleep said: Actually it was almost a month ago. What is it we value? Innovation. Originality. Novelty. But most importantly...timeliness. I fear I may be too late, a confused, unfortunate Extesian.. 4
Calderis he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 This thread, and all its responses? Derivative. 1
Oversleep Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) I'll come up with something better tomorrow. Have you ever heard the wisdom of the Heralds? I thought not. It's not something ardentia would tell you. It's a Radiant Legend... Edited August 10, 2017 by Oversleep 1
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Extesian said: What is it we value? Innovation. Originality. Novelty. But most importantly...timeliness. I fear I may be too late, a confused, unfortunate Extesian.. Unfortunately we cannot all be judged by hoid's ever exacting standards!
Silverstrings Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I suspect that like our own world around this time, acquiring aluminum from the natural environment is too difficult to be truly practical. But once someone discovered any amount of it, it suddenly became available for soulcasting. Since soulcasting it is so much easier than trying to process it people began to consider it something that's only soulcasted.
Velvet Thunder he/him Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) They could have gone to shadesmar, stumbled across some aluminum and bribed it to tell them its secrets - "I am aluminum, I'm pretty useful, just ask Stick over there." Edited August 10, 2017 by Velvet Thunder
Weltall Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Silverstrings said: I suspect that like our own world around this time, acquiring aluminum from the natural environment is too difficult to be truly practical. But once someone discovered any amount of it, it suddenly became available for soulcasting. Since soulcasting it is so much easier than trying to process it people began to consider it something that's only soulcasted. I'm not certain that Roshar's extremely unusual geology allows for the existence of elemental aluminum that could be harvested. The primary source for aluminum is in volcanic deposits (a point that's mentioned in connection with the source of aluminum in the Mistborn series so Brandon's done the research here) and since Roshar doesn't have plate tectonics it doesn't have the mechanism that produces volcanoes on 'normal' planets, hence no good source for elemental aluminum. The process we use to refine aluminum in bulk requires a level of technology that Roshar hasn't reached yet so it's extremely unlikely that they discovered the metal that way in the distant past. 'Honor/The Heralds/Other Worldhoppers Did It' makes more sense in this context, methinks.
Shuffel Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) I just had a thought. Taln mantra is similar to the hoed mantra is it not? There is sometime lucidity but mostly just the same words over and over again. We know both the Hoed and Taln have experienced an extreme amount of pain. Edited August 13, 2017 by Shuffel 1
DocHoliday he/him Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 Is Aluminum resistant to Investiture in SA, as it was in MB? I mean in its anti rioting capabilities. For instance would Kaladin have trouble Lashing a piece? Could it stop Shardblades? If it's "surge-repellent" does that mean it's more difficult to Soulcast? What about Soul Casting aluminum into something else? Idk why im trying to determine if this is an end-negative system of draining Investiture.
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