combat DeathBattle!

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Hmmmmm this looks like fun.

Is it possible to enter a new contestant?

If so I should like to enter Iyatil into the tournament. She is from Southern Scadrial so it is very likely that she has access to firearms. And she's Mraize's teacher, so she knows how to fight.

[Nathrangking he/him]

@Drake Marshall then @Nohadon would need to add an additional contestant to balance the scales.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Nathrangking

[Taliax none (name only)]

Are we writing out how our own battle would play out, or someone else's to avoid bias?

Anyway, I think that Vin would beat Denth just by coin-sniping, Denth may be fast but he can't fly and doesn't have any ranged attacks that I know of.

[Nathrangking he/him]

@Taliax he's an  Awakener of incredible power and his speed may just neutralize both steel and iron.

[Taliax none (name only)]

17 minutes ago, Nathrangking said:

@Taliax he's an  Awakener of incredible power and his speed may just neutralize both steel and iron.

Hm.  I forgot about his awakening, silly me.  I always just remember that he's super good at dueling.  I think Atium might help Vin keep up with his speed, but I'm not sure on that one.  Awakening would give range attacks, so that would be a much trickier fight.  I actually don't know how that one would play out then.

[Taliax none (name only)]

17 minutes ago, winter devotion said:

Pewter, though. She's an incredibly skilled fighter, even without steel and iron. If he's not fighting with awakened metal (ie Nightblood), she could whoop his behind rather quickly.

True, pewter plus even a little bit of atium would go a long way.  I don't know much on how physically enhanced the returned's fighting abilities are, considering of those in their "godly" form we only see Lightsong try to fight, and he bungles it.  Basically, I don't know if Denth without suppressing his Breath would be on par with burning pewter.  Considering how you can flare pewter though, I would agree that that would be the advantage. 

[Calderis he/him]

On 8/1/2017 at 4:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Kaladin Vs Arclo

OK. Spoilers for Edgedancer obviously. 

Spoiler

So we know everything Kaladin can do and very little of what Arclo is capable of. That said, I give it to Arclo hands down. 

A Dysian Aimian is a hive mind that can split into a swarm of creatures that can all act independently and would be very difficult to hit with a weapon or a Lashing. 

He easily takes out two Skybreakers capable of surgebinding. And though we haven't seen division in action, I imagine it has to be more of a threat than adhesion. 

Arclo doesn't appear to have had any difficulty, or received any injuries in said fight. 

Winner: Arclo. 

On 8/1/2017 at 4:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Vasher Vs Raoden

If Raoden has full access to AonDor, he takes it. He can teleportation around and fire bolts of energy at Vasher. 

Winner: Raoden. 

On 8/1/2017 at 4:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Marsh Vs Jasnah

This is a tough one. 

I think I have to give it to Jasnah though. Marah is tough, but all those spikes probably make him more susceptible to soulcasting so... 

Edit: and as discussion has clarified, Marsh is capable of steel compounding so... 

Winner: Jasnah  Marsh 

On 8/1/2017 at 4:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Vin Vs Denth

Another tough one Vin is awesome and if she gets the drop on him, she wins outright. If not Denth is going to be fast. According to the Warbreaker annotations he's going to be very fast. He knew he was a better fighter than Vasher and he wanted to draw it out, so rather than just ending it he toyed with Vasher to try and make him suffer, and he paid for it with his life. Add in Awakening and Vin is going to be hard pressed here. 

All in all I still think she edges out on it. 

Winner: Vin

On 8/1/2017 at 4:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Kelsier Vs Elend 

Kelsier. He fights smart, and by that I mean dirty. Elend strong, but Kelsier isn't really intimidated by that at all. 

Winner: Kelsier. 

So there's my take across the board, since this wasn't proposed as a single boutique focus. 

Edited August 5, 2017 by Calderis

[Taliax none (name only)]

@Calderis Man, I didn't realize how OP Arclo could be.  I'm really not sure what could hurt him.  And Jasnah, with the distance-soulcasting, makes her insanely OP too as long as she does it quick.  I pretty much agree with these, though I'm sad to see Marsh go out so easily.

I do have to say though, I'm not sure about Vasher and Raoden.  It takes at least a little time to draw Aons, while if Vasher has access to Nightblood and enough breaths he could end things really fast.  Even without Nightblood, if he Awakened some ropes and just tied Raoden's hands and feet together fast enough, he wouldn't be able to draw Aons either.  Vasher is also someone I feel would fight dirty and wouldn't go out that easily.

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, Taliax said:

I do have to say though, I'm not sure about Vasher and Raoden

I love Vasher and am annoyed by Raoden. 

That said, reread the end of Elantris. Raoden is fast and can draw Aons with both hands. 

If Vasher can get close (especially if he has Nightblood) Raoden loses. I just don't think he'd get that close. 

[Erandeni he/him]

On 1/8/2017 at 1:07 PM, Nohadon said:

Kaladin Vs Arclo

Arclo would take Kaladin without any problem.

Edgedancer:

Spoiler

It's hard to speculate because we don't know what a sleepless can do, we know he taked down two Skybreaker.Shardblades will have minimun effect as it will only kill somes of his hordelings.Maybe Adhesion would be useful, he could use it in the hordelings and prevent they from separate, and IIRC Adhesion doesn't need direct contact, he can spray the stormlight without need to be so close but at the time he thinks something like that, he would probably be almost out of stormlight and Arclo would kill him easely.

 

6 hours ago, Taliax said:

I didn't realize how OP Arclo could be.  I'm really not sure what could hurt him

Maybe fire could hurt him, which would make Raoden and Janash the more threaten opponents for him.

6 hours ago, Calderis said:

Marah is tough, but all those spikes probably make him more susceptible to soulcasting so... 

With that many spikes he would be more invested and thus more resistant to soulcasting, isn't it? Anyways I think Jasnah would win too, she can soulcast the air around marsh into crystal or fire and hurt him until his metalminds were empty.

Edited August 4, 2017 by Idealistic

[Agent34]

1 hour ago, Idealistic said:

With that many spikes he would be more invested and thus more resistant to soulcasting, isn't it? Anyways I think Jasnah would win too, she can soulcast the air around marsh into crystal or fire and hurt him until his metalminds were empty.

That's a good point regarding the spikes. I'd too give the win to Jasnah, although it wouldn't be easy against Marsh. A Shardblade and being able to slip between Realms definitely works in her favour though, in addition to her soulcasting prowess.

[Calderis he/him]

Wait... Can Marsh compound steel? Because if he can I take it all back. 

[Agent34]

15 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Wait... Can Marsh compound steel? Because if he can I take it all back. 

Good question. I don't think all of Marsh's abilities were described but if he were able to compound speed I imagine it would've been showcased so I'd guess no. It's a soft no though.

[Nohadon he/him]

On 8/4/2017 at 5:47 PM, Calderis said:

Wait... Can Marsh compound steel? Because if he can I take it all back. 

marsh in mistborn era 2 as "ironeyes" know's of EVERY metal that harmony knows, and has access to SOME feruchemy

[Nohadon he/him]

everyone can post about every fight to those who asked, just do what @calderis did

PS: is there any way to private message someone on the forums?

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Okay, lets see:

Kaladin vs Arclo: I am too lazy to create a spoiler for Edgedancer info, so I just agree with what others have said.

Vasher vs Raoden: The two characters I have the least knowledge on. I'd say Raoden. He can teleport, and attack from range.

Marsh vs Jasnah: I disagree with most others on this. If I know Investiture right, Marshs spikes should make him harder to affect with Soulcasting. He is also very mobile (I'm pretty sure that he is both a Steelrunner and a Coinshot). He can attack from range, and has much more experience than Jasnah. And each time he wounds Jasnah will weaken her ability to use magic, since it drains her Stormlight.

Denth vs Vin: Denth is fast, but Vin is way more mobile, has range, access to multiple magic abilities and is very clever. She can also heal way better than Denth can.

Kelsier vs Elend: Elend has the power, but he lacks the skill and the cleverness. Kelsier himself said that Allomancy is all about tricks. And few are better tricksters than the Survivor of Hathsin.

@Nohadon there should be a letter symbol near your notifications symbol. That is were you find PMs.

[Calderis he/him]

10 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Marsh vs Jasnah:

The reason I think soulcasting would work against spikes, is that the person isn't really more invested, the spikes are. They also have an inbuilt hole designed to open the individual up to outside influence. Marsh has what, 22 spikes? I think that that makes him susceptible to a pretty wide variety of things. 

That said, if he can compound steel she's done. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Just now, Calderis said:

That said, if he can compound steel she's done. 

I think it is highly likely that he can, given that he uses feruchemical speed against Sazed. I'm also pretty sure that he uses allomantic steel in Era 2. And, seeing as allomantic steel is very useful, it would be wierd for Ruin not to let his best Inquisitor have it.

[Calderis he/him]

Just now, Toaster Retribution said:

I think it is highly likely that he can, given that he uses feruchemical speed against Sazed. I'm also pretty sure that he uses allomantic steel in Era 2. And, seeing as allomantic steel is very useful, it would be wierd for Ruin not to let his best Inquisitor have it.

I thought I remembered him using it against Sazed but wasn't sure. I knew he had steel A-steel from Era 2 and the ability to shoot. 

So there you go, gotta go edit my initial post. Thanks Cylon! 

[Nohadon he/him]

1 hour ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Kelsier vs Elend: Elend has the power, but he lacks the skill and the cleverness. Kelsier himself said that Allomancy is all about tricks. And few are better tricksters than the Survivor of Hathsin.

 

On 8/4/2017 at 9:19 AM, Calderis said:

Kelsier. He fights smart, and by that I mean dirty. Elend strong, but Kelsier isn't really intimidated by that at all. 

Winner: Kelsier. 

So there's my take across the board, since this wasn't proposed as a single boutique focus. 

I need both of you to keep in mind how atium affects the battle here; seeying how Elend knows the properties of electrum and kelsier does not, and Elend ALSO knows the properties of duralium, and kelsier, does not. seeing the pattern here? here's how i would imagine the fight plays out:

Kelsier starts with the edge, he's craftier, cunning and has lots more combat skills. Elend starts burning atium, kelsier retaliates by burning atium as well.

Elend burns electrum, making kelsier's atium inert, he doesn't know of electrum, so he can't burn it as well, so Elend has 5 minutes of atium combined with duralium while kelsier is a normal mistborn

oh yeah, and also Elend is lerasium, he is more powerfull than kelsier when it comes to brute strength.

[Calderis he/him]

I'm well aware @Nohadon. Your assuming I hadn't considered that, when I had, and I think Elend loses before Kel's atium runs out. 

[AnonymousFan]

if it doesn't have to be cosmere, I would like to see Rand al'thor vs someone... maybe TLR

[Shadowmancer he/him]

On 8/1/2017 at 5:07 AM, Nohadon said:

Kaladin Vs Arclo                   

Vasher Vs Raoden

 

Marsh Vs Jasnah 

             

Vin Vs Denth 

                                      

Kelsier Vs Elend 

First off, sorry for the long post

Kaladin might take this one. He has only a few short moments to realize what Arclo is and what he's capable of. If he misses that shot, he'll be dead. However, if he shoots up into the air with Gravitation, then he'll most likely escape the worst of Arclo's first assault. We can assume there are hoardlings that can fly, so that would be his next opponent. If Syl can work out some fun, spinny-bladed death machine he might fight off some of these, but Acrlo still isn't taking too much damage. So Kaladin gets smart and heads for the ground. He infuses some object with a Reverse Lashing to take out the flying Hoardlings, then goes for a Full Lashing to immobilize the ones coming on the ground (but only as long as he's got enough Stormlight). Syl can go spinny-blades-of-death on Arclo, assuming he's holding together in a physical form at this point. Now, if we assume there is a "queen" to the hive mind, and Syl can kill it, then all good and well for Kaladin. But if Arclo is alive as long as one hoardling remains, and since we have no idea just how many he has at his command, then he could still win the day. All in all, I'd say too little info to call on this one. But boy, would I love to see a full Radiant in a fight against one of the Sleepless! Draw.

We need some parameters for this one, since Raoden needs the AonDor and Vasher needs Breaths. Assume that Raoden doesn't have the full might of the AonDor, and to make it even we take away Nightblood from Vasher. This leaves both men weaker but by no means defenseless. Next we factor in experience. If we set this in the Stormligh Archive era then both men would probably be even, experience-wise. Next, materials. Since the AonDor is weaker for Raoden, then let's only give Vasher 2500 Breaths, enough for the Fourth Heightening and to spare. This prevents Raoden from sneaking up on him, but does not cancel out the surprise factor of teleportation. Given these parameters, it would be a very fair fight, in which Vasher's blade-master and super-speed would edge out Raoden's teleportation and fireballs, with some handy commands of "Protect me," and "Strangle people who aren't me" thrown in. Even with the full might of the AonDor on Raoden's side, I see it hard for Vasher to lose if he can get just one Awakened object onto his target. Ranged fireballs and teleportation rocks, but if you're fast enough to dodge and can throw Invested object to latch onto your opponent, it wouldn't be a factor anymore. Vasher.

Marsh would probably win with compounding, but say he didn't move fast enough, then I would give Jasnah the win on this one. She can Elsecall into the CR at will, but it seems to be a process that takes some time, so let's not consider that a deciding factor. She can also heal most wounds, and she can Soulcast people into friggin' flames! With that power she could easily 1HKO Marsh. Marsh's spikes are invested, but he is not, so he would definitely be susceptible to this attack. However, he has all the powers of a Mistborn with some Feruchemy thrown in, so he only has to dodge her attacks (I think I remember Jasnah shooting the people, but that might just be a physical manifestation of something happening in the CR), shoot a few coins to distract her (ouch!), and then tap speed to crush her skull. But historically, Marsh doesn't like killing people. Marsh under Ruin's control did, but when given even the tiniest bit of freedom he tried to fight it. He might hesitate and give Jasnah her chance. However, in a strict power-on-power fight, he could take her out with little difficulty. Marsh.

Vin is a shoo-in on this fight. No matter how fast or skilled Denth is with a blade, Vin can Push it away, match his speed and strength with pewter, and fly through the air. Even with a fair bit of Breath, Denth doesn't stand a chance against Atium or steel, and Vin can 1HKO him with a coin to the face. Vin.

Kelsier ... well, my heart wants him to win, but given what's been posted about him not knowing about duralumin or electrum, I can see it going in Elend's favor. Add to that fact that Kel knows that Vin loves Elend, and his heart just wouldn't be in it. Since Elend has the added boost of strength from the Lerasium, he has a pretty clear edge. Hooooowever (you knew that was coming, didn't you) it's not quite the shoo-in we might expect. Allomancy is nothing but tricks, as the man once said. He can sneak and hide, whereas Elend likes to dress in flashy white and meet his opponents head-on. Since he doesn't know when Kel is going to strike, he can't be burning Atium all the time. So if Kel can sneak and hide and ambush, then he will win. Allomancy is not about who is stronger or has more metals, but about who has more skill. Kel has the most skill, years of assassination and thievery, where Elend only has a few years by the end of HoA, and he is used to facing foes head-on. The Inquisitors, after all, are not known for their subtlety. All things considered, and biased as this may be, I still hand this one too ... Kelsier.

Thanks for taking the time to read! Feel free to pick apart my analysis.

Edited August 6, 2017 by Shadowmancer

[Calderis he/him]

4 minutes ago, Shadowmancer said:

This leaves both men weaker but by no means defenseless. Next we factor in experience. If we set this in the Stormligh Archive era then both men would probably be even, experience-wise.

White Sand is the only story in the time line farther back then Elantris, and even by the end of that story, Raoden was fast with Aons. Give him a couple thousand years of practice and, assuming he's still alive, Vasher's few hundred years are on the low end of the experience balancing here no matter how you slice it. 

[Shadowmancer he/him]

Just now, Calderis said:

White Sand is the only story in the time line farther back then Elantris, and even by the end of that story, Raoden was fast with Aons. Give him a couple thousand years of practice and, assuming he's still alive, Vasher's few hundred years are on the low end of the experience balancing here no matter how you slice it. 

I think I remember reading somewhere that it takes 10,000 hours to become a master at something. Even with the thousands of years Raoden will have by that point, there's a peak to any skill or ability. Leveling up maxes out somewhere, and I think both Vasher and Raoden hit it somewhere after the first hundred years. That's how I see it, anyway. Time makes you good, but only so good.