+Aletus he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 This question may have been mulled over already in the WoK section, but it just seems like such an odd thing to be omitted from the story. You would think someone close to him would have inherited it, but Elhokar's fits a different description. Jasnah has not revealed anything towards her having it, via PoV chapters, and I figure if Dalinar had it - Sadeas would know - as he was present at the same time when Jasnah conveyed the message. Still, as I talk my way through it - Dalinar seems like the best bet, as I'm confident he has a second shard blade (or just one, as he gave up Oathbringer) Again, apologies if I'm mulling over something that's been posted before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaring at the Survivor he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Cool, this sounds pretty likely. Unless the servant that found Gavilar, or Sadeas himself, took the Blade and is keeping it hidden (for now) from everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It would be a pretty good advantage to Dalinar to have one in the pocket, now that everyone thinks he's vulnerable-er, being without plate or blade - and the fact that everyone's going to try and stick that pig now, as high-prince of war. Plus I can see honorable Dalinar keeping it safe for his brother, and maybe some day going up to Elhokar and "your father's lightsaber" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Oathbringer is not Gavilar's shardblade and Elhokar has a few sets of Shards. Probably Gavilar's blade is one of those which can be rented for a certain amount of spheres. Edited February 11, 2014 by Aleksiel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duskshard he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Elhokar could've left Gavilar's sword and a set of plate with Tearim back in Kholinar to guard the Queen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Oathbringer is not Gavilar's shardblade and Elhokar has a few sets of Shards. Probably Gavilar's blade is one of those which can be rented for a certain amount of spheres. Apologies, I never said that Oathbringer belonged to Elhokar - simply misunderstanding. (edit spelling) Edited February 11, 2014 by Blackwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Apologies, I never said that Oathbringer belonged to Elhokar - simply misunderstanding. Oh, sorry then. I thought it was implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiver he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 For some reason, I thought Elhokar has Gavilar's blade. Thinking about it now, though, I'm not sure. It might be one of the Shards he has in storage... but one would assume that the weapons and armour of the King of Alethkar would be fairly valuable, if only for propaganda purposes. Do we know what happened to his Plate? I could see either Sadeas or Dalinar having it. The advantage of Shardplates is you don't have to carry them around with you... and now I can't get the horrific image of Sadeas locked in a duel with Dalinar and materialising Gavilars Blade to get Dalinar right in the stomach. Thanks Blackwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiManiak he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I could see either Sadeas or Dalinar having it. The advantage of Shardplates is you don't have to carry them around with you... and now I can't get the horrific image of Sadeas locked in a duel with Dalinar and materialising Gavilars Blade to get Dalinar right in the stomach. Thanks Blackwood. Brutal image, but I think it's safe to guess that Sadeas does not carry Gavilar's Blade. When he was almost killed by the Parshendi (until -sigh- Dalinar came along and saved his treacherous buttocks), he didn't materialize a Shardblade. And he would have had to see the Parshendi coming enough to have had 10 heartbeats (rather fast paced, given the situation, I would think) to summon it. If ever there was a time for him to call for his ace in the hole, that would have been it, in my opinion. I think Gavilar's blade (and Plate) is still the property of the crown and is either in storage, or in use back at the Capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumHarmonix he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Does Elhokar have a son? If so maybe it's being kept in storage until he comes of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chlehrma Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Elhokar could've left Gavilar's sword and a set of plate with Tearim back in Kholinar to guard the Queen. I think Dusk is correct. Elkohar would want to make sure his wife and child are safe...and along those lines, now that he has an heir, the queen has no reason to keep Elhokar alive, so maybe her family or a group she is affiliated with is responsible for Elkohar's armor being weakened. Total tangent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humph Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It has been suggested elsewhere in the forums that Gavilar is not actually dead, and that it was his bodyguard is the one actually killed by Szeth. If so, on the assumption that the bodyguard had been lent the Shardblade, it would have returned to Gavilar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It has been suggested elsewhere in the forums that Gavilar is not actually dead, and that it was his bodyguard is the one actually killed by Szeth. If so, on the assumption that the bodyguard had been lent the Shardblade, it would have returned to Gavilar. The only problem with that that I can see is that the blade materialized after he was knocked off the balcony - Dalinar, Jasnah, and Sadeas were either immediately present, or near-after present as well. Plus - to me at least - Gavilar wouldn't stand by and let the bickering happen, he wanted change and peace and all that jazz. Elhokar has up until recently been working counterproductive towards his father's goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dovie Andi Se Tovya Sagain he/him Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I could see either Sadeas or Dalinar having it. The advantage of Shardplates is you don't have to carry them around with you... and now I can't get the horrific image of Sadeas locked in a duel with Dalinar and materialising Gavilars Blade to get Dalinar right in the stomach. Thanks Blackwood. I dont know for sure, but I always assumed that you could only bond with one sword at a time... otherwise, people would hoard them. When Dalinar and Aidolin won new shards, they gave them away, and did not keep them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I don't have a quote for you but it's been at least semi-confirmed that you can have more than one shardblade bound to you, in the original first draft of WoK there was even a scene where a character was dual wielding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) From the book: Another figure stepped from the king’s quarters; he wore glistening blue armor made of smoothly interlocking plates. Unlike common plate armor, however, this armor had no leather or mail visible at the joints—just smaller plates, fitting together with intricate precision. The armor was beautiful, the blue inlaid with golden bands around the edges of each piece of plate, the helm ornamented with three waves of small, hornlike wings. Shardplate, the customary complement to a Shardblade. The newcomer carried a sword as well, an enormous Shardblade six feet long with a design along the blade like burning flames, a weapon of silvery metal that gleamed and almost seemed to glow. A weapon designed to slay dark gods, a larger counterpart to the one Szeth carried. Those are Gavilar's shards. Elhokar's are very different. his Shardblade—Sunraiser—springing from mist into his hand. It was long and thin with a large crossguard, and was etched up the sides with the ten fundamental glyphs. Now, the idea that Dalinar has it has potential. But if that were the case, you'd think he'd already have given it to Renarin. Or, given it up for the war effort - He's already done this once with Shards he's won. And actually, there's another Shardbearer whose Shardblade comes close to the description, both in size and design. I have no idea how he got the Blade, but it's in a perfect position for causing problems in Words of Radiance. Because Amaram's Blade fits the description Like a god carrying a majestic blade that should have been too big to use. It was engraved and stylized, shaped like flames in motion. Amaram puts the attack down to the Ghostbloods, which could tie back to Shallan's dead older brother. But how they got hold of the King's Shards is something I couldn't even guess about. Edited February 12, 2014 by Tarion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I noticed that myself - but you are far braver than I for mentioning it - honestly, the moment I had this thought was when the Original, now dead shard-bearer attacked Kaladin's troops. It said something about the plate being gilded, which while that may schism from the coloring of Gavilar's plate - we know that plate can be painted, as Dalinar's is simply not painted, where everyone elses is. The fact that it was gilded immediately set off alarms in my head about royalty - as Gold, along with royal purple are clear definitions of prestige - especially in our medieval world. And, Amaram was present when Gavilar was killed - at least in the palace, and he had only JUST recently had a conversation, very pointedly with Gavilar, immediately before the assassination - this we know from Jasnah's PoV from the WoR prerelease chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FingerstyleFunk he/him Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 And actually, there's another Shardbearer whose Shardblade comes close to the description, both in size and design. I have no idea how he got the Blade, but it's in a perfect position for causing problems in Words of Radiance. Because Amaram's Blade fits the description Noticed this on my reread too, but only compared the descriptions between Szeth's in the prologue and Cenn's in Ch 1 ("the side that wasn't sharp was ridged, like flowing waves. Etchings covered its length"), and they didn't quite line up so I scrapped the idea. But now that I've looked again, Kal's description in Ch 47 and in WoR Ch 12 both have the "flames in motion" which does jive with Szeth's description, at least a bit. Unfortunately, on top of that preview chapter cutting off too early to see Kal's reaction to Amaram, it also cuts off too early for us to see Dalinar react to seeing Gavilar's blade materialize in front of him. damnation you Team Sanderson. The hooks are set deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 AND I HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THAT AMARAM SHOWS HIS TO DALINAR!! Sorry for caps, How exciting would that be for Dalinar to just like, kill him then and there. Sorry bro, that's MY LORD's BLADE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotherbard Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 It seems unlikely that Amaram wouldn't know what Gavilar's blade and plate looked like. Even if he and Dalinar weren't old friends I would think most high ranking lighteyes would have seen Gavilar in plate. Unless Amaram is rather young and his friendship to Dalinar is after Gavilar's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I'm quite sure Amaram doesn't have Gavilar's Plate and Blade. From the excerpts we know that Amaram and Gavilar knew each other prior to Gavilar's death (and likely had been friends). I'm with the possibility that Gavilar's Set is kept in Kholinar. Perhaps worn by Tearim or another bodyguard of the royal family (if Tearim didn't survive Szeth's assault on Gavilar) or/and for Elhokar's (potential) successor. And from the excerpts we know that he now indeed has an "infant son", who most likely would inherit Gavilar's Set. Also I can't believe that anybody had been able to steal this set. And then: how would it have gotten to Amaram's attacker (if it was Helaran or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus he/him Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'm also pretty sure that Amaram doesn't have it. the giddy girl in me thought it would be epic though. The body guard situation seems like a good fit if Dalinar doesn't have it. Although Jasnah would be an interesting possibility. But Shallan has one and I think one per pair of girls is sufficient. (not being sexist, I just think it will be revealed in a desperate protection sequence epically) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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