Heralds...from other worlds?

[Edvarin he/him]

If the Honorblades granted the powers of the different orders of the Knights Radiant, then what made them so special? Syl even says that someone using the Honorblades uses Stormlight much more quickly than Kaladin, who is not even a full Radiant. So, I was thinking, what if they were Cognitive travelers who had powers from their home planet. Like a Mistborn Herald lol. Perhaps they can even fuel their lashes with metals. I know, its a stretch, but there is definitely something up with them. I would love to hear some ideas about this. If this has been discussed previously, would someone please direct me to the post?

[+Extesian he/him]

Yeah I believe it's likely they're from another planet and have pre-existing powers. We're certainly not sure but here are two WoBs that would be compatible with that. Add to that the reflexes of the-man-who-calls-himself-Taln, without an Honorblade.

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QUESTION

I asked a question at the panel, I asked if the person you refuse to say who he is, I was trying to talk about Taln.

BRANDON SANDERSON

Oh!

QUESTION

Not Hoid.

BRANDON SANDERSON

So what about Taln?

QUESTION

Is there anything you'll tell us about him?

BRANDON SANDERSON

What do you want to know? Ask me a specific question.

QUESTION

Is he Rosharan?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Is he Rosharan? Taln is Rosharan.

QUESTION

[audio obscured]

BRANDON SANDERSON

Define Rosharan, how about that?

QUESTION

Native to Roshar.

BRANDON SANDERSON

That I have to RAFO.

QUESTION

Are the Heralds...

BRANDON SANDERSON

The Heralds are from the same place that Taln is from.

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RYBAL

Can the Heralds Surgebind without their Blades and if not are they under the same restrictions that others are?

BRANDON SANDERSON

The Heralds without their Blades are incapable of the powers you're familiar with. It doesn't mean there aren't other things they can do.

 

Edited May 24, 2017 by Extesian

[Calderis he/him]

In addition to @Extesian's points, before Honor was shattered, we know that the Honorblades provided a direct link to Honor. This allowed the Heralds to invest and surgebind without the need for Stormlight. They are less efficient specifically because they were not designed for a finite fuel source. The shattering of Honor essentially broke the Honorblades connection to direct investiture, and so now they are less efficient, and burn through Stormlight far too quickly. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

Regarding the origins of the Heralds: have this

On 9/17/2016 at 0:04 PM, The One Who Connects said:

Dec, 2010:  Who each of the Heralds are and what their natures were is important.

March 11, 2014:  Were the heralds born on Roshar?   RAFO

Sept 4th, 2014:  Is he Rosharan? Taln is Rosharan. // Native to Roshar. That I have to RAFO. // The Heralds are from the same place that Taln is from.

Feb 17, 2016:  The Heralds do not come from Nalthis, but that is an excellent question.

Apr 8th, 2016:  It is normal for a cognitive shadow to get stuck to places, because they exist through investiture it is normal for them to get tied to an area. This happened with Odium and the two shards on Roshar, Preservation to Ruin, and the Heralds (To Roshar? Braize?).

Relevant information on Theoryland containing the "Heralds" tag

Regarding Stormlight, refer to Calderis's post

[Edvarin he/him]

These are great details! Thanks everyone! Can't wait to see what that evil genius Sanderson has in store for us!

Spoiler

 

 

[Darkness he/him]

5 hours ago, Edvarin said:

These are great details! Thanks everyone! Can't wait to see what that evil genius Sanderson has in store for us!

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Your spoiler is either a typo, or the most brilliant meta-commentary I've ever seen... I've been thinking about it for 5 minutes and I'm still trying to decide.

[Edvarin he/him]

I'd love to say it was the latter, but the truth is that I didn't realize I did that

[Massik he/him]

So, is the Warbreaker a Herald?  Nightbood uses a tremendous amount of breath and nothing is known of Vasher before he returned.   He is came to Roshar to find Nightblood presumably, but did Nale take Nightblood to force him into coming back?

 

[VirtuousTraveller]

6 hours ago, Massik said:

So, is the Warbreaker a Herald?  Nightbood uses a tremendous amount of breath and nothing is known of Vasher before he returned.   He is came to Roshar to find Nightblood presumably, but did Nale take Nightblood to force him into coming back?

 

So you're suggesting that Vasher was known as Zahel FIRST, as he was native to Roshar (a possible Herald?), but traveled to Nalthis where he made Nightblood, who was then taken or brought back to Roshar, forcing Vasher to return to Roshar where he was originally from?

I think I recall Brandon shooting down the idea that Vasher was a Herald, but the idea of him being from Roshar originally is interesting!

[Calderis he/him]

45 minutes ago, VirtuousTraveller said:

I think I recall Brandon shooting down the idea that Vasher was a Herald, but the idea of him being from Roshar originally is interesting!

The problem with this is that we know Vasher is a Returned, and Brandon has said that it would be exceptionally difficult for a non-Nalthian to return.

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1114/2

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BLACKYETI

Did he [Vasher] actually come from Nalthis and not Roshar?

BRANDON SANDERSON

I’m not going to actually answer that one. Well I can answer that: yes he does come from Nalthis. It’s pretty obvious that the way that the Breath’s working, the reason he moved is because it’s easier to get Stormlight than Breaths, and Stormlight can fuel being a Returned like him. And so yes, he was born on Nalthis. Becoming Returned without being born on Nalthis would be really hard.

And I didn't realize until I looked it up that the WoB was specifically about that question. 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Calderis
Posted the wrong WoB... Fixing

[Yata he/him]

Spoiler

Vasher's status as Nalthian is quite explicit as he could become invisibile to Lifesense when he stores his Breath. People from other Shardworlds will have more Innate Investiture also without Breath and therefore he would be visible with Lifesense.

It's One of the argument aganist Tonk Fah and Denth as foreign human proposed somewhere else.

Warbreaker spoiler 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Yata

[Dragon314 he/him]

On 5/23/2017 at 9:24 PM, Edvarin said:

If the Honorblades granted the powers of the different orders of the Knights Radiant, then what made them so special? Syl even says that someone using the Honorblades uses Stormlight much more quickly than Kaladin, who is not even a full Radiant. So, I was thinking, what if they were Cognitive travelers who had powers from their home planet. Like a Mistborn Herald lol. Perhaps they can even fuel their lashes with metals. I know, its a stretch, but there is definitely something up with them. I would love to hear some ideas about this. If this has been discussed previously, would someone please direct me to the post?

Kaladin isn't a full radiant? I thought he was.

[Yata he/him]

1 hour ago, Dragon314 said:

Kaladin isn't a full radiant? I thought he was.

Kal spokes the third Oath on a total of 5 Oaths. His Stormlight's efficiency will improve with further Oaths.

At the moment for the Radiants we know well, Shallan is the advancest with her 4 Oaths (Truths as the Lightweavers has this kind of progression)

[gbazz4 he/him]

1 hour ago, Dragon314 said:

Kaladin isn't a full radiant? I thought he was.

He is on his way to becoming a full radiant but right now is not one. There are 5 ideals that must be said to become a full radiant. He so far has only said 3 ideals. The first Ideal is "Life Before Death, Strength Before Weakness, Journey Before Destination" and is common among all the KR orders. Then the remaining 4 ideals are different for each order. Kaladin has said 2 other ideals particular to the Windrunners.  The Second Ideal was "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves." and the third ideal he has said was "I will protect even those i hate, so long as it is right." He still has 2 more ideals to go to become a full radiant.

[Weltall]

11 hours ago, Massik said:

He is came to Roshar to find Nightblood presumably, but did Nale take Nightblood to force him into coming back?

To add to what's already been said on this, we know that Vasher and Nightblood came to Roshar together.

[Massik he/him]

18 hours ago, VirtuousTraveller said:

So you're suggesting that Vasher was known as Zahel FIRST, as he was native to Roshar (a possible Herald?), but traveled to Nalthis where he made Nightblood, who was then taken or brought back to Roshar, forcing Vasher to return to Roshar where he was originally from?

I think I recall Brandon shooting down the idea that Vasher was a Herald, but the idea of him being from Roshar originally is interesting!

No, I'm saying he's fom Nalrhis.  We have no idea of him before he was returned.  We dont know how long he lived or for how long he was dead.  

It's probably not true, but he has some backstory to fill in, and since Nightblood is similar enough in investiture cost to an honorblade, it does make for a fun crackpot theoy.  

[Yata he/him]

3 hours ago, Massik said:

No, I'm saying he's fom Nalrhis.  We have no idea of him before he was returned.  We dont know how long he lived or for how long he was dead.  

It's probably not true, but he has some backstory to fill in, and since Nightblood is similar enough in investiture cost to an honorblade, it does make for a fun crackpot theoy.  

Still impossible, the Heralds are tied to Great Roshar System and can't leave it. Therefore Warbreaker can't be on Nalthis during Warbreaker (book) in the 300 years timeframe between Mistborn trilogy and Stormlight Archive (when the book is setted)

[Steeldancer he/him]

Because I love the name of this thread.