I Am Witless she/her Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) We read in Mistborn: Secret History that the Ire are worried about someone or something crossing over the border from Threnody. Alonoe, the Ire who wants to take up Preservations power, says that, " "Perhaps there was someone, but the guard was wrong about it being a Cognitive Shadow. Have the guards be on alert, and leave the device on just in case. This timing strikes me as too opportune to be coincidental" " (pg. 301). I have some vague ideas/questions about this. Why are they worried about a Cognitive Shadow crossing from Threnody to Scadrial? Obviously, Shades aren't fun to deal with, but are they worried about more than just Shades crossing over? One of the guards, a bit before, asks, "How would a Threnodite have made it all the way here?", which probably means that traveling on and off of Threnody is very difficult. I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but it sticks out. The phrase, "This timing strikes me as too opportune to be coincidental", signals that something has occurred on Threnody, though it might be just the goings-on of Scadrial. Basically, why are the Ire so worried about Threnody? Are they fearful of Shades? If they are most likely Elantrians, then they have no need to fear Shades, as they can probably destroy them. Are they worried that the Evil has managed to travel between worlds? Any thoughts? Edited April 5, 2017 by I am Witless Edit: I'd like to clarify that I'm a bit hazy on what is and what isn't a Cognitive Shadow. I don't know if Shades qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsidqiyah he/him Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 I suspected they were worried about Nazh. but I'll need to reread before I can remember why I thought that. The coincidental part likely relates to the fact that the Ire is about to take up a shard. and are worried others might try to beat them to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted April 6, 2017 Report Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yeah, my interpretation is that they're aware of Khriss and Nazh (and that the latter is the one that does all the dangerous work) and want to take precautions against them showing up at such a sensitive time, just in case. If the story in the Bands of Mourning broadsheet is even loosely based on reality, Nazh has access to Shade-based technology so detectors attuned to those would be ideal for spotting him if he tried anything. Khriss in AU mentions petitioning the Ire to share information on multiple occasions and getting rebuffed so if these attempts at contact predate the events of Secret History, they've got some justification for being paranoid where our favorite arcanist duo is concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuff Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I think and this is just a crazy theory as my questions below will probably show but, what if threnody has a sophisticated civilization in the cognitive realm and the ire think of them as rivals? Does anybody know if the shades are smarter in the cognitive realm? If the answer to my first question is yes do you think they would have a civilization/cities in the cognitive realm of threnody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think they're more worried about the Evil. If it's left over from Ambition then the Evil would ambitiously want to extend his influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 "The Evil"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 On 21/4/2017 at 9:17 PM, Figberts said: I think they're more worried about the Evil. If it's left over from Ambition then the Evil would ambitiously want to extend his influence. I dunno, the Evil seems quite local as manace. It was unable to follow the people into the Forests or afraid to the Shades maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Khriss did say that the Threnodites are constantly afraid of the Evil crossing continents, so maybe it can move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Sheesh, I disappear for a few months and I'm already lost on the theory terminology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saskshard Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 There is also the quote from the IRE guard captain "But I do trust my forces on the Threnodite border. There are no shadows here". This seems to imply that the IRE are actively preventing movement off of Threnody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 On 4/24/2017 at 0:43 PM, Rob Lucci said: Sheesh, I disappear for a few months and I'm already lost on the theory terminology. did you read shadows for silence in the forests of hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Don't remember anyone talking about "The Evil" there - it's Shade this, Shade that, red eyes, silver knives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob Lucci said: Don't remember anyone talking about "The Evil" there - it's Shade this, Shade that, red eyes, silver knives... There's a few mentions, searching the ebook gives me 6 One of the times ebooks are useful! eg Quote Sebruki’s father had stayed at the waystop on occasion. A good man. As good a man as was left after the Evil took Homeland, that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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