JesseQ Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Ok, I'm sure it has probably been discussed here at some point but can anyone tell me what occurred 1173 years ago? Was this the Recreance or maybe the beginning of the Hierocracy? I'm assuming the calender is based on some major event that took place in year one and the only major events I am aware of are the breaking of the oathpact which occurred 4500 years ago, the Day of Recreance, the rise of the Heirocracy and the fall of the heirocracy which apparently happened a little over 400 years prior to the events in tWoK. I'm mulling a theory regarding Rock's ability to see Syl but it is based on the calender kept by Horneaters which according to Peter is different than that kept by those in Eastern Roshar. If the major event that kicked off the Alethi's current calender was the Day of Recreance (which to me seems a little more recent than I had assumed) and we operate under the assumption that mankind's betrayal of the spren was this event, then perhaps the spren do not view the Horneaters as part of the mankind that betrayed them and maybe that is why the spren allow Rock to see them. Peter also mentioned in the same topic/different comment that some in other parts of Roshar still use the Era of Solitude calender (of which he made a point of explaing that it began 4500 years ago with the breaking of the oathpact). So perhaps we take the two comments together and arrive at the Horneaters using the EoS calender. If the Day of Recreance was not of significant importance to them they would have no motivation to restart their calendar. Ok, I will preemptively criticize my own theory by saying I doubt the Day of Recreance happened 1173 years ago but do you think there is some connection with the differing calenders and Rock's ability to see spren? 2
el_warko he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play? 1
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play? Sgt. Pepper's Lonely DawnChant Band? 2
The Count he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play? That happened 20 years ago today... didn't it? More seriously, I would guess that the calendar is based on The Sunmaker's Victory (assuming it is the Vorin calendar?) So I would guess 1173 years since the Heirocracy. 1
hoser he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Two hopefully relevant thoughts: Rock refers to himself as Mafah'liki (spelling approximate) when this ability is mentioned. If all horneaters could do this, would he need a different name for people with the ability? He could just use the word for horneater. So I deduce that not all horneaters can see spren. Syl is surprised that Rock can see her. I infer that she is not choosing to be seen by him, and further none of the other spren are either.
JesseQ Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Two hopefully relevant thoughts: Rock refers to himself as Mafah'liki (spelling approximate) when this ability is mentioned. If all horneaters could do this, would he need a different name for people with the ability? He could just use the word for horneater. So I deduce that not all horneaters can see spren. Syl is surprised that Rock can see her. I infer that she is not choosing to be seen by him, and further none of the other spren are either. Good points, I didn't recall Syl's surprise. Well that theory's shot; guess it had quite a few holes to begin with.
Haxors he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 to your first point hoser, what if that is the word for horneater in their language? and secondly, syl was suprised by a lot in WOK, could it be that her suprise is due to her memory loss
Aleksiel Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) The Era of Solitude began, ergo the EoS after the years. Edit: Woops, my bad. Edited January 31, 2014 by Aleksiel
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 The Era of Solitude began, ergo the EoS after the years. The Era of Solitude began 4,500 years ago. The EoS after the years is incorrect and being changed. @JessieQ My personal thought is that is was the fall of the Hierocracy, do you have a quote for that only being 400 years previous? Unkalaki is the hornearter word for horneaters. My personal theory about why the Unkalaki have different calender is because the calender the Alethi and most of the East uses is a Vorin one. Since the Unkalaki aren't Vorin, they wouldn't use it.
Aleksiel Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 The Era of Solitude began 4,500 years ago. The EoS after the years is incorrect and being changed. According to coppermind The current calendar in the Era of Solitude did not begin at the end of Aharietiam, but a date approximately three thousand years afterward. and The Last Desolation, also known as Aharietiam in Vorin tradition So it does refer to the Era of Solitude, only not the beginning of it. I haven't read anything on the EoS after the years being incorrect and changed though there is no longer EoS in WoR released chapters. Was the EoS in WoK intentional or a mistake then?
JesseQ Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 The Era of Solitude began 4,500 years ago. The EoS after the years is incorrect and being changed. @JessieQ My personal thought is that is was the fall of the Hierocracy, do you have a quote for that only being 400 years previous? Unkalaki is the hornearter word for horneaters. My personal theory about why the Unkalaki have different calender is because the calender the Alethi and most of the East uses is a Vorin one. Since the Unkalaki aren't Vorin, they wouldn't use it. Actually, I was basing that on the information in Coppermind concerning chronology; I should have said almost 500 years ago. I'm uncertain of where they pulled the information but it says the war of loss happened 700 EoS.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 According to coppermind and So it does refer to the Era of Solitude, only not the beginning of it. I haven't read anything on the EoS after the years being incorrect and changed though there is no longer EoS in WoR released chapters. Was the EoS in WoK intentional or a mistake then? EoS isn't used in Way of Kings, it was a convention that started on the wiki. When I said it was incorrect and being changed, I was referring to the Coppermind specifically. We have WoP that it was incorrect. 1
Aleksiel Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 EoS isn't used in Way of Kings, it was a convention that started on the wiki. When I said it was incorrect and being changed, I was referring to the Coppermind specifically. We have WoP that it was incorrect. It isn't, you're right. Hmm, I really thought it was, I don't know why. I remember seeing it somewhere. Thanks for the correction and the link!
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