Romance you hope will happen?

[Unhinged he/him]

Personally I draw some parallels between Lift x Renarin and Vin x Elend. Lift is a streetwise thief who has Identity issues, likes to go barefoot and despite her slightly crazy nature she will come through for the people she cares about. Renarin is a noble who doesn't really fit with the rest of the upper class, he would probably read a lot if were allowed and he just doesn't seem to sure of himself. Heck their age difference is even similar to Vin and Elend I think they could work out great but who knows.

Also Jasnah and Szeth yes there's the whole he killed her father thing but once you get passed that i think they could work. they're both in their thirties so no major age gap problems Szeth also seems like he could mach her in terms of scholarlynes (yes I just made that term up) He was able to piece together that a new desolation was coming long before she did and as far as we know he did it without a spreen to help him that indicates some serious ability so maybe they could get along.

[Erandeni he/him]

I'm a bit late for the crackpot pairings but:

Kaladin x Syl

Jasnah x Sigzil

Elhokar x Lopen's mom

Nightblood x Pattern

[Mestiv he/him]

Jasnah x Hoid

[Guest]

21 hours ago, Deldraedair said:

I wonder how major that will be. I hope it's not too abrupt  because I've gotten pretty connected to the characters already and kinda want to stay looking through their perspective. Also I've heard some people say he's going to start another arc every three books and some say every five. Could you clear that up for me.

Also I do not think Kaladin and Lift to much of an age gap.

Oh, that's just speculation though it is based on a few comments made somewhere within a dark corner of the fandom. In shorts, someone from Brandon's team said he felt Kaladin wouldn't settle within a relationship until late in his life which more or less got a few people start to wonder about a potential Kaladin/Lift ship. It remains highly hypothetical. There aren't many arguments to support it, not in a serious manner this is.

10 hours ago, Idealistic Mistborn said:

Elhokar x Lopen's mom

I love this one. Sold: no arguments needed 

18 hours ago, Darkness said:

take heart, I dont think you guys are actually in the minority. Maybe word count-wise, but I don't think number wise from what I've seen. Maxal is very fond of lauding Adolin and disparaging Kaladin umm... Verbosely... <3 you maxal, but you do get a little rosy tint on your screen when you type 'Adolin'. Much the way I get when I talk about Hoid tbh.

Oh no... I don't actually get rosy tinted when I write those posts. I do it because I find enjoyment in them and also because I do feel Adolin needs support.

 

[Vissy]

Quote

I grew up like Kal: Speaking from an objective standpoint, everything came easily to me. I wasn't privileged from a socioeconomic view, but I never had to exert myself to excel. That got me a key role on every school sports team, into provincial competitions, a 98% overall academic average in high school, and consistent honours with distinction in university. I also excel at strategic thinking... From chess to war games to aptitude testing, to IQ (176). I taught myself to play piano and discovered the circle of fifths and resonance patterns on my own as a teen. Many people I know have referred to me as the smartest person they know (Kal is naturally athletic and book smart, and has battlefield sense... Even at a young age in Amaram's army he could improvise successfully and read the field of battle).

Be careful not to end up in r/iamverysmart territory here xD

I'd be more than happy with Kaladin x Lift or even Kaladin x Syl tbh. I came out of the WoR books thinking Kaladin and Syl were a potential item haha

Edited May 9, 2017 by Rob Lucci

[Tal she/her]

eh I really like Adolin x Shallan. Something about their dynamic makes me happy.

I've also suddenly fallen in love with Jasnah x Eshonai because I feel like their personalities would click. (Yes I'm aware Esh is Ace, as an ace I can confirm I would also totally date Jasnah)

As for Kaladin, I really have no idea. He's just had a lot of heartbreak and I feel like there's no good candidates right now...

[Mestiv he/him]

I'd see Kaladin together with the girl that runs Kholin's stables. She seemed his type

[Tal she/her]

5 minutes ago, Mestiv said:

I'd see Kaladin together with the girl that runs Kholin's stables. She seemed his type

I...actually...

yeah, you're not wrong.

That's the problem with shipping. There's so much of like "oh they have potential chemistry" but until you just lock them all in a room and see what happens you don't know.

(note, please do not lock Hoid and kelsier in a room together)

[Deldraedair]

I don't think Brandon is going to drop some side character in for Kaladin. Rather Kaladin will probably either get Shallan or just go solo. (preferably Shallan. )

However, I do not want Adolin to go the same way. If Kaladin gets Shallan, Brandon should definitely get another girl for Adolin. Personally, I would like to see Adolin go for some young, lowly, dark eyed, girl who doesn't have the mindset of "I don't really care if this relation ship works out because I can just go find another rich guy." ( Not that Shallan is like that. Just the others. The only reason I don't ship Shadolin is because I like Shalladin far far better.)

Any ideas?

  

[Unhinged he/him]

On 5/8/2017 at 0:08 PM, Mestiv said:

Jasnah x Hoid

Well they do have to spend some time together while they travel back to civilization together so it's not impossible.

[Guest]

On 5/9/2017 at 2:24 PM, Deldraedair said:

I don't think Brandon is going to drop some side character in for Kaladin. Rather Kaladin will probably either get Shallan or just go solo. (preferably Shallan. )

However, I do not want Adolin to go the same way. If Kaladin gets Shallan, Brandon should definitely get another girl for Adolin. Personally, I would like to see Adolin go for some young, lowly, dark eyed, girl who doesn't have the mindset of "I don't really care if this relation ship works out because I can just go find another rich guy." ( Not that Shallan is like that. Just the others. The only reason I don't ship Shadolin is because I like Shalladin far far better.)

Any ideas?

  

Considering how much page time Kaladin has, I honestly would not mind if his love interest, if love interest he has, were to be a side character. Currently however, I am not favoring Kaladin having a romance. I just don't see it as something which needs to happen within the short term.

I wouldn't enjoy it if Brandon were to pluck in some random darkeyed girl just so Adolin could have a love interest in order to make it "all right" for Shallan to prefer Kaladin. Also, the rich prince and the lowly born girl is one overdone trope. Obviously, everything can be done, but giving how the story has unfolded so far, I would feel cheated if Brandon were to use this ploy.

[+Wax he/him]

5 hours ago, maxal said:

Considering how much page time Kaladin has, I honestly would not mind if his love interest, if love interest he has, were to be a side character. Currently however, I am not favoring Kaladin having a romance. I just don't see it as something which needs to happen within the short term.

I wouldn't enjoy it if Brandon were to pluck in some random darkeyed girl just so Adolin could have a love interest in order to make it "all right" for Shallan to prefer Kaladin. Also, the rich prince and the lowly born girl is one overdone trope. Obviously, everything can be done, but giving how the story has unfolded so far, I would feel cheated if Brandon were to use this ploy.

You didn't enjoy Mistborn, did you?

Vin = poor orphan girl

Ellend = filthy rich baron's kind son

BS sticks to the formula when it comes to romance!

[Deldraedair]

18 hours ago, maxal said:

Considering how much page time Kaladin has, I honestly would not mind if his love interest, if love interest he has, were to be a side character. Currently however, I am not favoring Kaladin having a romance. I just don't see it as something which needs to happen within the short term.

I wouldn't enjoy it if Brandon were to pluck in some random darkeyed girl just so Adolin could have a love interest in order to make it "all right" for Shallan to prefer Kaladin. Also, the rich prince and the lowly born girl is one overdone trope. Obviously, everything can be done, but giving how the story has unfolded so far, I would feel cheated if Brandon were to use this ploy

I don't understand why you find it okay for the person, who has been proven throughout the series to be slow in getting into relationships and requiring history a deep interaction with a person before truly caring for them, to have a random girl thrown into the series to be a love interest, well it's completely out of line for the impulsive character who has gone through many relationships with girls thrown into the series to have a love interest thrown at him as they did Shallan. Is it because you can't part with the passionless light heart'd flirting that Shallan and Adolin share? Or is it because you're so opposed to the classic trope of two really connectable characters who both have the qualities the other needs, having a deadly, terrifying, and heart felt experience together, then getting married?    

Furthermore I was not suggesting for Brandon to pluck in some random dark eyes girl. That's why I said any ideas. I was looking to see if there were any characters that would fit already. Personally I hate throwing any character in for a love interest.

13 hours ago, axcellence said:

You didn't enjoy Mistborn, did you?

Vin = poor orphan girl

Ellend = filthy rich baron's kind son

BS sticks to the formula when it comes to romance!

That's exactly the point. It's not about trope its about what works. Have any of you listened to Brandon's lectures (#total wanna be author) He talks about how ideas or tropes don't matter. It's all about how you write them. Brandon Sanderson can make any trope interesting, save for the love at first sight trope which is the trope, which is the trope Shadolin falls under.Here is an example. One of the tropes I hate the most is the young kid discovers cool magic on earth that was kept secret from the world. Alcatraz did this but I found it incredibly enjoyable, since he twisted it by making the villains be the ones keeping it secret from the earth.

Last I do not want Adolin to go with some random girl to make it "all right" for Shallan to prefer Kaladin. It is inevitable that the conflict between Adolin, Shallan, and Kaladin will and in my opinion should happen. What I want is for when the conflict starts to die down Adolin to get another girl. Mainly the alternative is either Adolin goes and tries to kill Kaladin turning anti hero, or worse Kaladin says whatever and the whole thing just boils down to emotionless mush.

 

Oh and Maxal. I challenge you to a game of battle ship..........I'll wait for you to get the pun. 

 

[Guest]

@Deldraedair: I absolutely do not mind a game of battleship, under normal circumstances, but right now I have lost all interest to argue within this topic. I will argue again once the tone will have settled and once people will stop downvoting my personal opinions just because they happen to disagree which, BTW, is against the code of conduct of this site. 

[Deldraedair]

Okay I'm fine with waiting for you. whenever your ready.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Deldraedair said:

Okay I'm fine with waiting for you. whenever your ready.

Thank you for understanding 

[Tal she/her]

@maxal @Deldraedair

(Not quoting because that is SO many posts)

I also would not mind if another character were introduced as a love interest for Kaladin (I know for a while I shipped Rysn and Kaladin, but now I'm just content to see where the story goes). I think what people kind of forget with storm light is that there's going to be 10 enormous books, any of which could give us sufficient character development to be satisfied with a relationship for Kaladin.

As for someone random being thrown in at Adolin, while I would be a bit disappointed since I'm a hardcore Shadolin shipper, that's also consistent with Adolins character so I would be fine with that as well.

*turns off microphone and awkwardly slinks away*

[Vissy]

Plot twist, Adolin ends up with Laral from Hearthstone.

[Harbour he/him]

Kaladin x Shallan camp added one more guy, me. They look very sexy together. They have such a good banter potential and chemistry. They almost look too good to really become a final couple in the end. Im pretty sure right now they share nothing more than animal appetence, but i hope with the flow of time they will build more on it. They already have started, when Kaladin realized how beautifully strong inside Shallan is.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Harbour

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Tal said:

@maxal @Deldraedair

(Not quoting because that is SO many posts)

I also would not mind if another character were introduced as a love interest for Kaladin (I know for a while I shipped Rysn and Kaladin, but now I'm just content to see where the story goes). I think what people kind of forget with storm light is that there's going to be 10 enormous books, any of which could give us sufficient character development to be satisfied with a relationship for Kaladin.

As for someone random being thrown in at Adolin, while I would be a bit disappointed since I'm a hardcore Shadolin shipper, that's also consistent with Adolins character so I would be fine with that as well.

*turns off microphone and awkwardly slinks away*

Today, I wrote a little something on why I feel  Adolin should not be being paired with some random new girl. This isn't about Shallan or about Adolin/Shallan (not really though I do mention it) or about Kaladin, this is about how I feel it wouldn't work with his character. So here it is. Please all take note this remains my personal opinion, other readers might have very different opinions and the world would be boring if we all agreed 

Adolin's character has been strongly define through his inability to form meaningful relationships with his peers. While the precise reasons as to why he serial dates have been the subject of several discussions, Brandon has recently given us the answer: Adolin doesn't serial date because he can't settle nor because he enjoys it, but because he can't face his fear of inadequacy when it comes to forming bonds with others. This element has been one of Adolin's most defining attribute throughout the first two books. It is most obvious with his false superficial friendships and his obvious pain (it hurt more than any blows he ever received onto the battlefield) at finding out just how little he meant to them, but it is also obvious through his behavior with basically everyone: his father, his friends, girls and people in general. It is why so many readers have such a hard time characterizing Adolin: he has few viewpoints, but many other characters reflect on him and those reflections are based on what Adolin is allowing them to see. Hence, Shallan notes his "reputation" and the one time his eyes wanders, but does not know he only does it out of an unconscious mechanism which makes him look for a way out of basically any romantic relationships. She does not know he is probably more afraid of their relationship than she of it. Kaladin only sees the superficial arrogant princeling, Dalinar the obedient son: nobody truly sees the self-doubting, non-confident Adolin, even many readers. Except this Adolin, the one whom I refer to as the "real Adolin", is very much written into the books: we read him when he talks to his Blade or through his inner thoughts where he mentions just how afraid he is about this world which refuses to stay still and wants to change so badly.

Hence, Adolin's entire character hardships revolve around those core elements and is unlikely to get resolution unless they are addressed.

Addressing those issues will obviously require page time and a character progression completed with a denouement in order to be consistent with story so far. Thus, plucking some random girl with a minor supporting role within the story, to be Adolin's girlfriend is just not going to do it. How is this minor, probably viewpoint-less, character supposed to help Adolin overcome issues he presumably had for many years now? How is Adolin meeting yet another random girl going to push him out of his comfort zone, force him to deal with his personal fears? It won't because it is basically what he has been doing for years: and it isn't working. It won't just go away because it might be more convenient for the main narrative if Adolin were just this serial dater who wants to have fun up until he finds the one girl. He isn't this guy: there are ample proofs both within the books and throughout WoB to disapprove this idea.

Adolin's character resolution thus cannot pass through some random minor side character, especially since his character isn't exactly one of the top protagonist. Unraveling Adolin will require another character with viewpoints to comment on it, not to forget mentioning how unsatisfying it would be if his issues suddenly vanished because one random girl walks into Urithiru. If Adolin's issues were not real, then yes he would have presumably settled for someone, but giving he has dated every single eligible young woman, given the scope of his trailing record, I just cannot see one random girl settling all or how it could even come close to a satisfying character resolution.

To me, as a reader, the idea Adolin should forget all about Shallan, the one girl he has had a genuine connection with mostly because her genuine personality got pass his natural defenses (and also the fact she treats him as an intellectual equal, not taking for granted he can't understand or he is an idiot) in order to set his eyes onto yet another of those random girl is completely inconsistent with the character have read so far, it clashes with both written text/WoB and it deprives Adolin from having any growth at all. In shorts, Adolin has issues to deal with, they can't just be ignored and have them disappear in favor of some random girl would be poor writing, IMHO.

Of course, it is entirely possible Brandon will introduce a new female character to pose as Adolin's wife. It is entirely possible Brandon will have Dalinar force Adolin to marry to secure an alliance...

Oathbringer Spoiler

Spoiler

just as Gavilar forced him to marry a woman he did not love to secure a Shardplate. It would be incredibly bittersweet for Adolin to end up in a similar situation not to forget it wouldn't force him to work on his issues.

It however wouldn't be as satisfying as having Adolin overcome his issues with a character able to comment on it, a character he actually cares for. In shorts, since I cannot see how the minor random girl could fulfill this task, not after having spend time developing the Adolin/Shallan.

[Tal she/her]

@maxal yesss thank you. You just put into words everything I feel about Adolin. (Also OH GOD THAT OATHBINGER SPOILER MY HEART IS DYING FOREVER)

In speaking about relationships for characters, I was more approaching it as like a "Who has chemistry" thing regardless of their individual brokenness (a spherical chicken in a vacuum if you're familiar with that joke.)

If I might contribute my psychoanalytical thoughts on Shallan then, since I feel like she doesn't get enough credit. The thing about Shallan is that she is the opposite of Adolin. Where his trauma has driven him to be unable to form lasting relationships, from my perspective, Shallan spills her bonding all over the place. I guess it would have to do with the way she was raised--in an abusive household where every relationship she ever had was threatened by something. For some people that might mean shutting down. For her it meant covering up her pain by trying her best to ignore her feelings by replacing them with more positive feelings (which doesn't work, obviously, but she's trying). Her relationship with Jasnah is a good example of this: even after multiple times that Jasnah did or said horrible things, Shallan still felt guilty about things that she might have done to damage that relationship. She clings to that connection, and frequently blames problems on herself, which is a normal psychological reaction to abuse. I have a lot more thoughts but I'm on my phone since I don't have my laptop and I just wanted to get this out, so in it's brief form this must remain.

One of the things that fascinates me so much about a relationship (whether platonic or otherwise) between Shallan and Adolin is that exact dichotomy. Where she met a nice young man and immediately started to form a relationship with him, Adolin probably feels like he's fooling her and giving her the wrong impression. He doesn't see a way that this relationship can last and (it's been a while since I've read WoR, my dad stole it from me, so forgive my errors) tries to subtly show her that this isn't going to work...while at the same time desperately wanting this to work.

Im definitely interested in discussing the psychology of the characters as it's related to relationships. As someone with Aspergers I have to do a lot of psychoanalysis so it's nice to talk casually about my perceptions and findings.

 

[kari-no-sugata]

21 hours ago, maxal said:

Adolin's character resolution thus cannot pass through some random minor side character, especially since his character isn't exactly one of the top protagonist. Unraveling Adolin will require another character with viewpoints to comment on it, not to forget mentioning how unsatisfying it would be if his issues suddenly vanished because one random girl walks into Urithiru. If Adolin's issues were not real, then yes he would have presumably settled for someone, but giving he has dated every single eligible young woman, given the scope of his trailing record, I just cannot see one random girl settling all or how it could even come close to a satisfying character resolution.

A great insightful post maxal!

I can suggest one extra reason why this "minor character romance" option would be a poor idea: readers would be less likely to care whether or not Adolin solves his relationship problems if it's with some minor unimportant character. You sort-of alluded to this already but I figured it was worth mentioning specifically. Basically, the stakes would be a lot lower meaning that the sense of satisfaction of him resolving this problem would be significantly reduced. The higher the stakes, the greater the impact on the plot and other major characters, the more meaningful it would be. It's a major part of his character so it would feel cheap if resolving it was pretty much inconsequential.

 

[Guest]

22 hours ago, Tal said:

@maxal yesss thank you. You just put into words everything I feel about Adolin. (Also OH GOD THAT OATHBINGER SPOILER MY HEART IS DYING FOREVER)

That one truly surprised me: I did not expect it.

23 hours ago, Tal said:

If I might contribute my psychoanalytical thoughts on Shallan then, since I feel like she doesn't get enough credit. The thing about Shallan is that she is the opposite of Adolin. Where his trauma has driven him to be unable to form lasting relationships, from my perspective, Shallan spills her bonding all over the place. I guess it would have to do with the way she was raised--in an abusive household where every relationship she ever had was threatened by something. For some people that might mean shutting down. For her it meant covering up her pain by trying her best to ignore her feelings by replacing them with more positive feelings (which doesn't work, obviously, but she's trying). Her relationship with Jasnah is a good example of this: even after multiple times that Jasnah did or said horrible things, Shallan still felt guilty about things that she might have done to damage that relationship. She clings to that connection, and frequently blames problems on herself, which is a normal psychological reaction to abuse. I have a lot more thoughts but I'm on my phone since I don't have my laptop and I just wanted to get this out, so in it's brief form this must remain.

One of the things that fascinates me so much about a relationship (whether platonic or otherwise) between Shallan and Adolin is that exact dichotomy. Where she met a nice young man and immediately started to form a relationship with him, Adolin probably feels like he's fooling her and giving her the wrong impression. He doesn't see a way that this relationship can last and (it's been a while since I've read WoR, my dad stole it from me, so forgive my errors) tries to subtly show her that this isn't going to work...while at the same time desperately wanting this to work.

Im definitely interested in discussing the psychology of the characters as it's related to relationships. As someone with Aspergers I have to do a lot of psychoanalysis so it's nice to talk casually about my perceptions and findings.

That's an interesting bout of discussion you've got going on here. Typically, it is assumed Shallan and Kaladin are diametric opposite, this is the first time I see someone arguing Shallan and Adolin would be potential opposite when it comes to how they develop relationships. I find the idea Shallan clings to relationships as a reaction to the abuse she has lived through as if she cannot accept the idea the problem never were her, but others.

I think Adolin is still within the good phase of his relationship with Shallan, the one where he literally thinks it will work, but I would argue he is slowly moving into it by the end of WoR. He asks Kaladin tip bits on how to keep Shallan, but he doesn't get the essence of Kaladin's very insightful advice. I have always find it ironic Kaladin of all people, Kaladin who hasn't been shining with his inter-personal relationships either, to be the one to point out to him he ought to just tell Shallan how he feels. Plain and simple. Adolin also isn't OK with Shallan being a Radiant, already he asks where his place would be next to her, so right here and there, I see definite signs his running away mechanisms may have start kicking in.

I am unsure if Adolin truly believes himself when he wonders if his next girl will be the right one. Even when he says he wants to keep Shallan, I wonder if he truly believes it. He has never had any insightful thought on his relationships: his thoughts being as superficial as his relationships. In shorts, Adolin never even went down there with himself, he hasn't acknowledge it. 

2 hours ago, kari-no-sugata said:

A great insightful post maxal!

I can suggest one extra reason why this "minor character romance" option would be a poor idea: readers would be less likely to care whether or not Adolin solves his relationship problems if it's with some minor unimportant character. You sort-of alluded to this already but I figured it was worth mentioning specifically. Basically, the stakes would be a lot lower meaning that the sense of satisfaction of him resolving this problem would be significantly reduced. The higher the stakes, the greater the impact on the plot and other major characters, the more meaningful it would be. It's a major part of his character so it would feel cheap if resolving it was pretty much inconsequential.

 

Thanks 

Yes, exactly. Throwing in a minor character to serve as Adolin's love interest would completely undermine his character arc. We have spend time reading him trying to figure it out, trying to sort it out, having real heart-felt issues with relationships, so to see them get resolved within the background of the story by the sudden arrival of a random female character would definitely ruin the entire story arc. Nobody would care about Adolin's romance with the random girl because the random girl does not matter within the story, hence having a relationship with her would not matter. 

So yeah, I do think it would feel cheap if Brandon were to chose this avenue. 

[kari-no-sugata]

On 13/05/2017 at 3:14 AM, Tal said:

If I might contribute my psychoanalytical thoughts on Shallan then, since I feel like she doesn't get enough credit. The thing about Shallan is that she is the opposite of Adolin. Where his trauma has driven him to be unable to form lasting relationships, from my perspective, Shallan spills her bonding all over the place. I guess it would have to do with the way she was raised--in an abusive household where every relationship she ever had was threatened by something. For some people that might mean shutting down. For her it meant covering up her pain by trying her best to ignore her feelings by replacing them with more positive feelings (which doesn't work, obviously, but she's trying). Her relationship with Jasnah is a good example of this: even after multiple times that Jasnah did or said horrible things, Shallan still felt guilty about things that she might have done to damage that relationship. She clings to that connection, and frequently blames problems on herself, which is a normal psychological reaction to abuse. I have a lot more thoughts but I'm on my phone since I don't have my laptop and I just wanted to get this out, so in it's brief form this must remain.

Hmm. I have a different interpretation of Shallan and Adolin with regards to forming bonds/relationships with others. I'd say that they both want to have many friends/relationships/bonds but Adolin avoids deeper/closer relationships in general and is even worse at romantic relationships. So I would say that their intent is not that different but what they actually do in practice is, but not to the extent that they're opposites.

It's very rare that Shallan shows just how much she endured and how much pain and struggle she went through. I agree that she tries to ignore that and focus on more positive things - I'd say she does this both consciously and unconsciously, so I doubt she realises just how much she is doing this compared to more normal people. I think one of the subtle/indirect indications of just how much she struggled is how she reacted to seeing Wit/Hoid again - she immediately leapt to hug him. That's despite only ever meeting him once before and only having a brief and vague conversation - that's just how precious she found his help to be. She was sorely lacking in help/aid for most of her life so the few bits she does get are very precious to her. I think part of her highly positive attitude towards Helaran is because he also gave her some advice, though I'm pretty sure he would be very surprised how seriously she took it.

Regarding Shallan in general, I agree. She doesn't get much credit and I think this is largely down to how she views herself. She's not blatantly down on herself (except about twice) but she's frequently giving the reader reasons to distrust her or underestimate her or under-appreciate her. Regarding clinging to connections, yeah she's probably over-eager and can take dangerous risks. She also feels absolutely terrible when Jasnah knows that Shallan betrayed her and she is also morose when she let down the poor carriage driver who was killed by the Ghostbloods.

 

On 13/05/2017 at 3:14 AM, Tal said:

One of the things that fascinates me so much about a relationship (whether platonic or otherwise) between Shallan and Adolin is that exact dichotomy. Where she met a nice young man and immediately started to form a relationship with him, Adolin probably feels like he's fooling her and giving her the wrong impression. He doesn't see a way that this relationship can last and (it's been a while since I've read WoR, my dad stole it from me, so forgive my errors) tries to subtly show her that this isn't going to work...while at the same time desperately wanting this to work.

Like maxal said, I don't think Adolin is trying to consciously hint anything to Shallan that he doesn't believe the relationship can last. He wants it to work but fears it might fall apart somehow.

 

On 13/05/2017 at 3:14 AM, Tal said:

Im definitely interested in discussing the psychology of the characters as it's related to relationships. As someone with Aspergers I have to do a lot of psychoanalysis so it's nice to talk casually about my perceptions and findings.

It would be great to see some deep analysis. I've looking into Shallan (and others) quite closely but I have no deep knowledge or expertise in such things.

[Silverstrings]

I ship Rysn and Shallan. They're both determined young women, learning about the world and experiencing things for the first time. I think they would be really cute together; in better times, they might have traveled the world together with Rysn as a merchant and Shallan as a traveling naturalist. I doubt it's going to happen but it would be really nice if it did.
Also, Jasnah is absolutely a lesbian. I have good instincts about these things. I don't know if we've met her girlfriend yet but we will, and she will be awesome.