Romance you hope will happen?

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3 hours ago, Rob Lucci said:

It's that vague thing that means something like 'how good you are at doing stuff'.

I think that is called ability.

But yeah, I know what you mean. It's hard to define intelligence.

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10 hours ago, Rob Lucci said:

The definition of intelligence is a big problem in any field of science related to studying it. Our conception of it is really just really, really poor. It's that vague thing that means something like 'how good you are at doing stuff'.

Is it the definition of intelligence which is a problem or the means to measure it? This being said, if we are to discuss characters relative intelligence based on the text at hand, we have to use the most commonly agreed upon definition which is corroborated by all sources I have found. Obviously the terms "ability" and "knowledge" could be applied to variety of fields and skills. I also don't agree our conception of intelligence is vague: it is our mean to quantify it, to compare it which are difficult to correlate. 

This being said, when attempting to evaluate Kaladin, Adolin and Shallan's levels of smart, I do it on the basis of the skills they have exhibit and I try to remove other character's very subjective comments and/or inner monologue filled with arrogance from the equation. I try to look at the facts, the things I can quantify such as Kaladin learning surgery and Adolin smartly winning his Plateau by directly applying knowledge he got from Shallan.

8 hours ago, dionysus said:

I am with Maxal. I think Kaladin is smart but you have to get Adolin credit. He clearly has the makings of a great field general. Dalinar is moving on to focus on politics and overall strategy, and he is letting Adolin win the battles....and Adolin is. Moreover, it has been shown he can also grasp political issues and swing the outcome his father's way in a unique way. It backfired a bit at the end, but the way he obtains shards for his father shows he is capable of analyzing the personalities of others and frankly being very manipulative with that knowledge. Even with the backfire, I don't hold that against Adolin. First, no one saw it coming. Second, the manipulation of the rules of the duel was legally brilliant but definitely dishonorable. It is very outside the character of an Alethi lighteyes male to use such trickery, or so the Kholin's believe. Ultimately, I think it was a good lesson, one I think maybe Dalinar hasn't learned but Adolin has, that Alethi honor is a facade for most of the people in power that they use to protect themselves from consequences. I say Adolin learned the lesson because he fights fire with fire. He recognizes that Sadeas cannot be dealt with honorably like Dalinar keeps doing, and so Adolin acts outside of honor to take care of the problem.

Yeah, someone who agrees with me. My argumentation must be improving! About the 4 on 1 duel, I would point out Adolin was overly excited and very focused on following his father's orders: win with as much fanfare as you can, to actually be within the right mind frame to catch onto the loop. However, the second he sees the 4 shardbearers, he realizes his mistake instantaneously while Dalinar still requires Sadeas to spell it out for him. I would also state it isn't just Adolin who missed it, it is also considered super smart Shallan, intellectually superior Navani, Dalinar and apparently extraordinarily smart Renarin. In other words, they all missed it. Each and every one of them, so Adolin allowing himself to be trapped was more out of not truly realizing how dishonorable others were more than lack of smarts. A great deal lot of individuals considered very smart completely missed it too, but we can bet Adolin won't get trapped again. Not in the same way: he'll be very wary before agreeing to terms from now on.

So yeah, I don't hold it against Adolin here. He made a mistake. Being smart isn't about never making a mistake, it is about not making the same mistake twice.

8 hours ago, dionysus said:

For Kaladin, his intelligence manifests in other ways. He obviously has a natural gift for medicine. But being good at a profession doesn't mean you are intelligent in other ways. The other ways I see Kaladin's intelligence manifest is how observant he is, and how he applies his observations to draw conclusions. He is definitely observant of the natural world. For example, he figures out the ecology and behavior of the chasms and applies that knowledge to help out the Bridgemen. As an aside, I think this is the biggest common ground he has with Shallan. They both study the natural world around them: Shallan as a scholar and Kaladin for more practical reasons. Another example is how Kaladin deduces the overall reasoning behind Sadeas's use of bridgemen, while being a the lowest of the low bridgeman himself. Kaladin is in a brutal environment where just surviving for 30 days is almost impoosible, yet over time he is able to grasp thebig picture. Dalinar himself never sees the full implication of Sadeas's strategy. Dalinar thinks that Sadeas wants to be fast to gemhearts and doesn't care about the cost. That is part of it for sure. But Kaladin is the one who deduces that Sadeas actually is completely considering the costs. The bridgemen also serve as irresistible battle distractions for the warform parshendi, preserving the more expensively trained and equipped regular troops. The cruelty has several layers of purpose. He also comes up with ways to better advance what he sees as Sadeas's strategy. If my memory is correct at first he comes up with ways to keep his bridge alive but that makes them less of a target, but then he is punished for that and revises his understanding of the broad strategy and he devises ways to make his team even more of a target.

I would personally be interested to know how Kaladin would have done in Karbranth. We keep on saying he was gifted for surgery, but we have no basis to evaluate his skill level. All we have is Lirin, whom Kaladin thinks very highly of, but it would be great to have other surgeons examples. 

For the rest, I think you are raising very interesting comments on Kaladin. I had noticed he had an observant personality, but I never linked it to the natural world. I think this is a very astute observation and I am keen on seeing someone through it back at me into the shipping discussion.

This being said, I would say, as a whole, larger scale strategy has always been one of Kaladin's weakness. He excels at leading small groups of people, but I feel he often missed it when the group gets too large, hence the side-carry incident. I would however argue over the comparison with Dalinar failing at grasping the concept because I don't think Dalinar is an intellectual power house. It is obvious to me Sadeas is much smarter than Dalinar, Dalinar often having trouble with strategy, cunning and thoughts roaming outside the direct precepts of his book. Of all characters, I would probably rate him the lowest in terms of intelligence because he hasn't impressed me. Reading The Thrill has only reinforced those perceptions. Hence, I don't think it takes an extraordinarily level of smart to be smarter than Dalinar: Kaladin is obviously leagues over him.

8 hours ago, dionysus said:

A flaw of Kaladin's is his arrogance about his intelligence. He just doesn't think he can ever be wrong and others might be right, and he shows it in his interaction and his internal monologue. A flaw and strength of Adolin's is that he hides his intelligence behind a facade of more base motivations. It is a strength because his enemies underestimate him; it is a flaw because his family and friends also underestimate him. He needs to learn to take off the mask for those he trusts.

Kaladin's arrogance about his own level of smart does taint his inner monologue and his evaluation of other individuals. As a whole, he often seems to think only he can do things best, which takes him by surprise when other people ends up being good at something. For instance, he couldn't believe Adolin actually had talent as he assumed his was just an empty boost. This level of self-confidence does impact how readers will view the character being inclined to see him as smarter than he truly is, which correlates with how Kaladin views himself. I would say Kaladin needs to give other credits and try to be a better judge.

Adolin is the exact opposite. As a rule of thumb, he never wants to disclose weakness, he is always hiding them behind a facade of strength, so when it comes to intellectual capacities, he prefers to play dumb than to attempt at being smart for fear it wouldn't work and be called out for it. It does not help the one time he quotes scriptures to Dalinar, his father laughs of him... I would say Adolin needs to figure out for himself he isn't dumb and be more assertive about it, at least with his closed ones. He shouldn't tolerate Navani making fun of him for failing at reading glyphs (and he should just go and learn them).

 

[Deldraedair]

Hey guys, have to side with the under dogs here. I'm a huge Shalladin fan for these reasons:

1) There is far deeper emotion with Kalladin and Shallan then with Adolin. Besides the playful banter in the chasms, the part where they tell each other about their childhood is pretty big. I'm pretty sure that's the only time they've ever done that and I think that's significant. Quote: "Kalladin had thought his life terrible, but there was one thing he'd had, and perhaps not cherished enough: parents who loved him...What would he have done if, his father had been like the abusive hateful man Shallan described? If his mother had died before his eyes? What would he have done if instead of living off Tien's light he had been required to bring the light to the family? Almighty above this woman was stronger than he'd ever been." (p 877) Doesn't this indicate something deeper and more awesome (which is the only way Brandon writes any plot and I doubt he'd do anything less when writing romance) than Adolin and Shallan's flirting? Plus as bad as you say the love triangle trope is, if Shallan and Adolin are together, it's still a love triangle, just one where Kaladin is alone. Honestly the deepest emotion I've seen from Shadolin is the time when Shallan reacted negatively to Adolins promises of protecting her. Promises that reminded her of her fathers oppression. Not really the best foot to start with if you ask me, not when it comes to a deeper relationship (which, considering how deep a character Shallan is, she couldn't settle for something less). I just feel that Kaladin's character would fit with Shallan better. Their exchange of insults and puns in the chasms is so much better than any of Adolin and Shallan's interactions. Not to mention when they first met. That scene with the boots was seriously the most classic "first meeting" type thing ever!

2) It adds to the plot far more if Shalladin happens than if Shadolin happens. If Shadolin happens there will be little conflict. Kalladin will be a little disappointed but he already partially came to terms with that problem (See page 929 of WoR). Other than that there really aren't any realistic ways conflict will start. Further more it would end the romance very early in the series like with Navani and Dalinar, which as I've noticed you guys don't seem to be interested in. As Shallan once said: "End it to early and your audience gets disapointed." lol. On the other hand, if Shalladin happens instead, there is a lot more opportunity for conflict. Adolin would be forced to make a decision between fighting Kalladin for Shallan or letting her go for Kalladin's sake. Kalladin would have to make the same decision, and Shallan would have to choose between the two of them. Then there's the after math of when they choose. What will Adolin and Kalladin's reactions be? Furthermore, when Shallan finds out about Heleran It will add more conflict to the romance plot. At some point after finding out Shallan would have a "Oh my gosh you killed my brother I hate you...but I also love you storm it!" moments which could be taken as cliche but hey, romance in general is cliche so I think it would work anyway. As a side, I want to make one thing clear. I definitely do NOT want Shalladin to happen after the betrothal to Adolin is complete. Shallan breaking it in a dishonest way with Kaladin? That would be totally uncool and quite honestly, against Kaladins oaths.

3) Before I get into this one I would like to defend Kalladin for a bit. Though you haven't gone right out and said it, you've been strongly implying that Kalladin deserves Shallan less then Adolin and that's why Shadolin is superior to Shalladin. I think that is very short sided considering what both have accomplished. Which, in that regard, Kaladin wins by a landslide. I mean, who had honor when no one else did (I mean, before he met Dalinar)? who joined the freaking army to save his brother? Who brought himself back from suicide to save the lowliest of men and make them Radiant? Who protected Shallan and killed a chasmfiend for her (like seriously, he was willing to sacrifice himself for her. He knew he would die when he left that crack in the rock. That's devotion.)? Who saved the king after an internal battle that led him to break his oaths, but reforged them? Who fought and killed Szeth in the middle of two freakin HIGHSTORMS (one of which was the thing that literally broke the world) to save those he Loved? 

You know the answers to those questions...

Adolin can't possibly match up to that, not even close. I mean, I'm not saying he's not awesome, but he's honestly just not as great as Kaladin, not in a way that's super big about the plot. I know there's still a lot of books left and who knows, Adolin might become just as awesome. I doubt that however, especially after he murdered Sadeas, That's gonna come back to bite him. I think his character is going to go down hill. To be honest, I don't know. 

Regardless, the fact is is that we can't tell yet. Brandon can do what he wants. I'll love the series either way.

[Vissy]

Everything about intelligence is a problem, maxal. I just told you.

[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

On 5/3/2017 at 11:54 PM, Rob Lucci said:

Everything about intelligence is a problem, maxal. I just told you.

With great power comes great responsibility.

poor Jasnah

[Bri-Y]

Adolin x Eshonai - I just find the idea of this relationship to be very interesting. Eshonai has interacted with Adolin the most of all primary characters, and suffered a defeat at his hands. Adolin has seen two sides to the woman, though he doesn't know it.

Plus he's a playboy, and knows how to show an inexperienced woman a good time ; ) 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Bri-Y said:

Adolin x Eshonai - I just find the idea of this relationship to be very interesting. Eshonai has interacted with Adolin the most of all primary characters, and suffered a defeat at his hands. Adolin has seen two sides to the woman, though he doesn't know it.

Plus he's a playboy, and knows how to show an inexperienced woman a good time ; ) 

Actually, Adolin is pretty inexperienced himself, in other words, he's never done it: he shies away from intimacy. Eshonai having been in mate form before would have much more experienced then him. So while I agree both characters have an unfinished story, I doubt it will be romantic. Adolin is just not the type to fell for an alien species: too unsettling, too uncommon, too scary.

Also, Adolin did notice the two sides of the woman: he comments on how the woman he meet at the parley wasn't the woman he has meet earlier on. He is keen on those things.

[kari-no-sugata]

How about some crack ships:

Shallan x Szeth

Lift x Renarin

Kaladin x Iyatil

Dalinar x Palona

Adolin x Rysn

[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

11 minutes ago, kari-no-sugata said:

How about some crack ships:

Shallan x Szeth

Lift x Renarin

Kaladin x Iyatil

Dalinar x Palona

Adolin x Rysn

Ow... my storming eyes! That post just hit me like a shardblade

[Deldraedair]

Storms no! Guys Brandon may like twist but they have to have some reason (especially romance twist like these) if they don't help the plot or characters its useless.

[Guest]

Crackpots pairing? Let's see...

Eshonai x Szeth

Lift x Kaladin

Adolin x Rysn

Renarin x Drehy

Elhokar x Palona

Jasnah x Amaram 

[+Wax he/him]

40 minutes ago, maxal said:

Crackpots pairing? Let's see...

Eshonai x Szeth

Lift x Kaladin

Adolin x Rysn

Renarin x Drehy

Elhokar x Palona

Jasnah x Amaram 

At the start of WoR, I think there was some insinuation that Jasnah be paired up with Amaram, for political purposes (don't remember if it was Navani or Dalinar wanting it).  However, Jasnah appeared indifferent (or not interested) to the idea.

Anyways, BS is very short on romance.  Mistborn is a classic example, Kelsier's group/his brother didn't show too many romantic inclinations.

Shadows of Silence, etc didn't either.  Hell, Sixth of dusk was practically Tarzan & Jane, but no overt expressions in that one!

reckoners had some, but barely.  Romance is just not his thing!

 

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Just now, axcellence said:

At the start of WoR, I think there was some insinuation that Jasnah be paired up with Amaram, for political purposes (don't remember if it was Navani or Dalinar wanting it).  However, Jasnah appeared indifferent (or not interested) to the idea.

Anyways, BS is very short on romance.  Mistborn is a classic example, Kelsier's group/his brother didn't show too many romantic inclinations.

Shadows of Silence, etc didn't either.  Hell, Sixth of dusk was practically Tarzan & Jane, but no overt expressions in that one!

reckoners had some, but barely.  Romance is just not his thing!

 

This was just for fun, this isn't serious... Nobody thinks there will be as many romances: there might be one apart from Dalinar/Navani, but we never know. Though some minor romances would be interesting.

Kaladin/Lift is obviously meant for the second arc of SA.

Eshonai/Szeth is a crackpot pairing I would rate as a one night stand.

Adolin/Rysn was just because I needed a crackpot pairing for him, not something I truly think will happen nor wish for.

Renarin/Drehy because we know Drehy is gay and will get a love interest. I have always thought Renarin might be gay too, so I decided to make it canon. This would be a very minor sub plot.

Elhokar/Palona just because I can't believe he is actually faithful. So huh... Well I couldn't say Elhokar x Random Whore 

Jasnah/Amaram because what if she doesn't actually hate him?

[+Wax he/him]

57 minutes ago, maxal said:

Kaladin/Lift is obviously meant for the second arc of SA.

I never thought you were serious on the thread given the entire thread is a banter.

One of the OB interludes involves a romantic novel (which almost reminds me of Jak the Allomancer piece, with a love triangle and so forth).

But it's fun to speculate.  I dunno if depressed people can see romance even if someone slaps them around with a bunch of kisses.  So, it practically has to be a strong influence to get Kaladin to have a look beyond his nose.

Lift seems to flighty for me to consider for Kaladin.  I am sticking with Gawx/Lift pairing coz Lift at least pities him somewhat.

I think another one is Mraize and Shallan - just the mysterious bad boy vibe that some people are attracted to (and purple eyes).

 

 

 

[Deldraedair]

1 hour ago, maxal said:

Kaladin/Lift is obviously meant for the second arc of SA.

 

I wonder how major that will be. I hope it's not too abrupt  because I've gotten pretty connected to the characters already and kinda want to stay looking through their perspective. Also I've heard some people say he's going to start another arc every three books and some say every five. Could you clear that up for me.

Also I do not think Kaladin and Lift to much of an age gap.

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19 minutes ago, Deldraedair said:

Also I do not think Kaladin and Lift to much of an age gap.

Same here. But I doubt, that she'll arrive in Urithiru soon. She's a character for the next arc.

 

1 hour ago, axcellence said:

I am sticking with Gawx/Lift pairing coz Lift at least pities him somewhat.

I fail to see, how pity is good soil for romance to bloom on.

1 hour ago, axcellence said:

I think another one is Mraize and Shallan - just the mysterious bad boy vibe that some people are attracted to (and purple eyes).

Which is exactly the trope, which everyone has been criticizing about how Shallan might be attracted to Kaladin.

Edited May 8, 2017 by SLNC

[Deldraedair]

55 minutes ago, SLNC said:

2 hours ago, axcellence said:

I think another one is Mraize and Shallan - just the mysterious bad boy vibe that some people are attracted to (and purple eyes).

Which is exactly the trope, which everyone has been criticizing about how Shallan might be attracted to Kaladin.

Ha Ha! I don't think I'd use the term bad boy since Kaladin is more straight than Shallan but I do agree with you there. Also as for the classic, over used trope, as I've said before I find the love at first sight trope, along with a betrothal, far more distasteful. The biggest reason I believe Shallan and Kaladin should be together is because of how they complement each other. As this page has strongly pointed out, Kaladin has many faults. Among the biggest is arrogance, pessimism\depression, and bias anger against light eyes because of his distasteful past involving them.

Who better could help these problems than Shallan? As it vividly describes in WOR Shallan, has felt the same pains, and according to Kaladin, amazingly, wonderfully wasn't broken. She also has understanding for Kaladin and experience with helping those who were broken. Even to a level that Kaladin compared to Tien. (Which, by the way, nothing could be better for Kaladin than a love interest who lifts up Kaladin like Tien did). Last on this note, I can think of no better way to help Kaladin with his prejudice against light eyes than to marry one.

Also, I may be the only one who thinks this, but I like the idea of Kaladin becoming the honorable loving father far better than the lone wolf .

On Shallans side, according to herself, she is broken and is going through a time of great perils and problems. Such as Jasnah dying, her father, Heleran, the ghostbloods, and, worst of all, the final desolation. I don't think Adolin can help and progress her character as much, especially after his whole ordeal with Sadeas. Not to say that he was wrong to kill Sadeas, considering he had it coming and removing him would help the kingdom. But I would say that Adolin went about it wrong. Pinning a man down well he's whimpering, slowly shoving a knife through his eye and enjoying every minute of it...that puts a taint on his character.  I believe that Kaladin, however, is the perfect one to help Shallan. How he helped bridge four, a broken group of thieves with dark pasts, recover from their hardships and are now the most happy and bonded men on Roshar. Kaladin is, as said in WOR radiance., a man of passion and a man of honor, and would therefore help Shallan find what she needs as a radiant. Truths. 

I do believe they would be the best to build each other out of the dust and help each other return what they had lost, joy and peace.

Edited May 8, 2017 by Deldraedair
Bad puncuation

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@Deldraedair

It's what I think aswell, but I always get told, that there was no chemistry between Shallan and Kaladin in the chasm and howi she only told him her deepest secrets because of how she was scared to death and all inhibitions fell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sadly, I think, you and I are in the minority here. The worst thing is, that whenever I say something in favor of Shalladin or how I think, that the murder of Sadeas will put strain on Adolin's character, which combined with his growing uncertainty regarding his relationship to Shallan, might give him an negative phase. Not necessarily evil, but I don't think he'll be the Prince Charming, we knew before either. Anyway, whenever I say something like that, it is understood as if I'd hate Adolin, which just isn't true. I just don't think Adolin and Shallan are meant for eachother, simply because contrary to most on here, I think their relationship is largely superficial, which, I think, won't work in the long term. I also agree, that they would be a great way to flesh out the protagonists of the story.

[Vissy]

I'mma just have to bring this back a step or two and say that I hope they all get together with one another and it ends up being a gigantic hot mess, all the more entertaining for us readers right?

[Darkness he/him]

46 minutes ago, SLNC said:

@Deldraedair

It's what I think aswell, but I always get told, that there was no chemistry between Shallan and Kaladin in the chasm and howi she only told him her deepest secrets because of how she was scared to death and all inhibitions fell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sadly, I think, you and I are in the minority here. The worst thing is, that whenever I say something in favor of Shalladin or how I think, that the murder of Sadeas will put strain on Adolin's character, which combined with his growing uncertainty regarding his relationship to Shallan, might give him an negative phase. Not necessarily evil, but I don't think he'll be the Prince Charming, we knew before either. Anyway, whenever I say something like that, it is understood as if I'd hate Adolin, which just isn't true. I just don't think Adolin and Shallan are meant for eachother, simply because contrary to most on here, I think their relationship is largely superficial, which, I think, won't work in the long term. I also agree, that they would be a great way to flesh out the protagonists of the story.

take heart, I dont think you guys are actually in the minority. Maybe word count-wise, but I don't think number wise from what I've seen. Maxal is very fond of lauding Adolin and disparaging Kaladin umm... Verbosely... <3 you maxal, but you do get a little rosy tint on your screen when you type 'Adolin'. Much the way I get when I talk about Hoid tbh.

I always hide from / drop out of any conversation involving Adolin because I just don't have the time to read novelettes, but this one has been mostly instructive. I definitely think we'll need to see resolution of the betrothal, which is still in force and should be more publicly acceptable due to Shallan's new status. As far as she knows, she still needs the family connection.

However, even though it is to me the more likely course, and Adolin + Shallan works better than many political marriages, I still favour the Kaladin + Shallan chemistry, dynamic, and background. I think it has more potential.

Regarding the intelligence competition we seem to be having, I have a ton of things to say, but I don't want to risk writing my own novel all in one go. I'll just say that intelligence comes in many forms, has many aspects (ingenuity/innovation, perception/synthesis, application, retention, capacity, maturity, and many more), and I truly believe that most/any 2 people will have areas in which they are more and less intelligent than another.

I grew up like Kal: Speaking from an objective standpoint, everything came easily to me. I wasn't privileged from a socioeconomic view, but I never had to exert myself to excel. That got me a key role on every school sports team, into provincial competitions, a 98% overall academic average in high school, and consistent honours with distinction in university. I also excel at strategic thinking... From chess to war games to aptitude testing, to IQ (176). I taught myself to play piano and discovered the circle of fifths and resonance patterns on my own as a teen. Many people I know have referred to me as the smartest person they know (Kal is naturally athletic and book smart, and has battlefield sense... Even at a young age in Amaram's army he could improvise successfully and read the field of battle). However, and before you judge me on my arrogance, I have always been socially stupid. I've tried to work on it, but I come off as extremely arrogant, and was even more so as a child. Probably because I am quite aware of my abilities. I had only a handful of true friends growing up, and I struggle to empathize with people (Kal is also quite arrogant, probably without even realizing it... It's one of the reasons I relate to him so well). Additionally, now that I am in dental school, I have discovered that I never learned how to discipline myself to study. I never had to before, and now that I need to it's more difficult for me to focus than it seems for my colleagues. Kal actually has this part down pat. He studied to become a surgeon, and I can say from personal experience that medical knowledge takes hard work, memorization, and synthesis.

Adolin is a masterful duelist. He has been trained in courtly proceedings and culture, and intuits social situations easily. I would say he is easily more socially intelligent than Kaladin, despite his complete ignorance regarding female interaction (re: "I had no idea flirting with so and so might upset this other girl!"). Adolin has an edge in training and accumulated knowledge over Kal on the battlefield, but I think they are equally intelligent in it. We haven't seen Adolin's scholastic abilities as such, but he doesn't really value scholarship as a personal virtue because of the culture. Adolin also has the edge in emotional intelligence because he is able to reach outside of himself to put himself in the place of others (the prostitute, his soldiers, even dark eyes), whereas Kaladin's moment with Shallan showed me how rare it was for him to truly appreciate another person's paradigm and history.

TL;DR - Shadolin is a natural story progression but I think Shalladin has more potential as a literary device. Kaladin is more intelligent in some respects, which may fit our classical definition of 'smart' and Adolin is more intelligent in others (socially and emotionally). Final most important take home point: I'm obviously naturally superior to all of you in every way, so you should just take my word for it and let me make all your choices for you (channeling my inner Taravangian lol).

Ps. That last part is facetious... Sometimes hard to tell over the web haha

Edited May 8, 2017 by Darkness
Also, the Lopen should definitely have a go at Jasnah.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

IDK what you all are honestly going on about

Hoid X Weird Lizard-Crab thing 

[+Extesian he/him]

Jasnah + Nazh = sullen adventures galore!

[Darkness he/him]

ooo! Ooo! Jasnah + Zahel! Scholars unite!

And of course Nightblood + Stick.

[+Wax he/him]

4 hours ago, SLNC said:

 

4 hours ago, Deldraedair said:

Also I do not think Kaladin and Lift to much of an age gap.

Same here. But I doubt, that she'll arrive in Urithiru soon. She's a character for the next arc.

 

5 hours ago, axcellence said:

I am sticking with Gawx/Lift pairing coz Lift at least pities him somewhat.

 

I fail to see, how pity is good soil for romance to bloom on.

 

You know mercy dates, caring for the injured, etc.

I still call it the reverse snow white moment when Lift breathed (another way of a kiss) into Gawx bringing him back to life

[+Wax he/him]

4 hours ago, SLNC said:

Which is exactly the trope, which everyone has been criticizing about how Shallan might be attracted to Kaladin.

Well, that bad boy trope is just the life trope.  The intro to the splintercast episode 4 for edgedancer notes the following:-

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You guys thought we could get through this podcast without Feather developing a crush on the bad guy? Aww, that’s cute. It has just happened. Now I’ve realized he probably dresses completely my style. That’s unfortunate. Alright. Guess we have our trash fave for this book. Ay, welcome to the dumpster. We’re back.