Super-Surgebinder (hemalurgy)

[Steeldancer he/him]

So we know that hemalurgy can be used to mess with any shardic powers. Therefore if you kill either 4 other surgebinders (if you can get 2 powers from a single spike) or 8 other surgebinders (if you can only get one power per person) you could make yourself into a complete surgebinder. I have no idea how any spren would be ok with you doing it, so maybe you just kill 10 surgebinders to give yourself their powers. But just imagine. An artificially created mistborn vs an artificially created surgebinder with all 10 surges. That would be... insane. Like so many dreams come true.

Then if you connected yourself to that, why not, why not every magical system? An evil hoid? Instead of taking samples, they kill magic users from each planet and give themselves all the abilities in the cosmere....all using hemalurgy. Their spiritweb would be a mess... but they would be so unbelievably formidable. That would be a villain worth seeing in mistborn era 4. Absolutely terrifying. Yes it would be hard to connect to elantris but it could be done. And that is truly terrifying. A Surgebinder/mistborn/fullborn/ elantrian/ awakener/ sandmage/ plus whatever other abilities the cosmere has to offer. Give him nightblood and they'll be unstoppable. This theory is scaring me holy cow. 

Now how would this villain be dealt with? A cosmere justice league. A coalition of allomancers, surgebinders, elantrians, awakeners, ect. Would be able to outmatch such a villain in terms of investiture, because hemalurgy is a leaky pipe. But it would be a truly epic battle, and kind of really cool ending to the cosmere 

Edited February 3, 2017 by The Flash
Thoughts started compounding into a crazy theory

[The One Who Connects he/him]

It certainly would be a sight to behold.

However, a Mistborn has a slight advantage in that each power is fueled by a different metal, while every power the Surgebinder has draws from the same singular fuel reserve. Although, the potential ability combinations from all 10 Surges...

[Oversleep]

You can't just "steal a Surge" - you can however steal the Nahel bond.

But if you're murdering for power you wouldn't even count for the First Ideal. Therefore it's better some maniac scientist used Hemalurgy on its unwilling victim, then it's possible said victim would end up with all those spren without breaking bonds.

But you'd have to adhere to Oaths of every Order you took a spren from otherwise the bonds would get broken...

What I'm trying to say it's better to steal some Honorblades.

Edited February 3, 2017 by Oversleep

[Steeldancer he/him]

30 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

You can't just "steal a Surge" - you can however steal the Nahel bond.

But if you're murdering for power you wouldn't even count for the First Ideal. Therefore it's better some maniac scientist used Hemalurgy on its unwilling victim, then it's possible said victim would end up with all those spren without breaking bonds.

But you'd have to adhere to Oaths of every Order you took a spren from otherwise the bonds would get broken...

What I'm trying to say it's better to steal some Honorblades.

Ok I've looked all over looking for the fact that hemalurgy steals spren. All I can find is that it will take surgebinding. Where is that from? Specifically I imagined that the hemalurgy would target the spiritual connection to the surges, that is granted by the spren. Not targeting the spren itself.

Edited February 3, 2017 by The Flash

[Oversleep]

Just now, The Flash said:

Ok I've looked all over looking for the fact that hemalurgy steals spren. All I can find is that it will take surgebinding. Where is that from? 

Spren are basically a pair of Surges. Nahel bond connects a spren to Surgebinder. When you're using Hemalurgy, you're ripping off chunks of soul. You can target the part that the Nahel bond has plugged in and steal the bond.

That's why it's possible to steal Shardblades with Hemalurgy, by the way.

[Steeldancer he/him]

@Oversleepnot to seem difficult but why can't they just take the powers? We know nothing about how this works on roshar, so I'm imagining you have (lines are connections):

Person-spren-surges

So you can spike the first line to steal the spren bond and the surges, like you are saying. Or you spike the second line, and only steal the surges. This would likely kill/mostly destroy both the spren and the person, rather than leaving the spren intact as stealing the spren bond would do. If Brandon has said anything in this (probably on redditt. I can't navigate that place like I can theory land) I would love to hear it. 

[Krandacth]

I was thinking the same thing. This may require spiking the Spren, though... Any word on whether you can use an already-invested spike to steal a connection?

[Spoolofwhool]

Spren aren't surges. Surges are human interpretations of underlying Cosmere mechanics.  The spren just change people so that they can surgebinding in my opinion, rewriting the spiritweb. Therefore, you should be able to steal the changes using hemalurgy.

[Weltall]

I believe Brandon has said that certain things may have so much investiture already that they're basically 'full' and wouldn't have room as such, so you couldn't turn them into a spike. I believe this was in context of asking whether a shardblade or Nightblood could become a spike.

As for stealing surges, I'm not so sure you could steal them independently from the spren that grant them. Surgebinding isn't hard-coded into the spiritweb like Allomancy or Feruchemy is. You need a crack in the soul, then the Nahel Bond fills that gap and you get surgebinding as a part of the deal. Since we know the powers, the spren and the Ideals are all intertwined (Kaladin starts losing the former and Syl starts losing intelligence when Kaladin stops acting in accordance with the latter) it seems like they would all come as a package, hemalurgically. We have another example of this with the Heralds and their Honorblades. The former can't use surgebinding without the latter and if someone else like Szeth took up an Honorblade, they could only surgebind for as long as they were bonded to the weapon. I doubt you could spike a surge out of someone with an Honorblade because the blade itself is the source of the surgebinding and by extension I doubt you could spike a surge out of someone independent of the spren that grants it.

Now, stealing an entire bond might be possible and Brandon has confirmed that at least for a dead shardblade, stealing the bond to the blade is within the scope of Hemalurgy's powers. But I'm not sure you could steal only the 'surgebinding' aspect of a Nahel Bond without the other bits that go along with it.

[+robardin he/him]

Also, Ruin/Harmony would totally own your super-spiked chull. You'd be the world's mightiest pawn. Or pwn. Congratulations!