Yata he/him Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 41 minutes ago, OblivionRapture said: could harmony not create atium to balance out the lerasium, then? I think He meant that Harmony didn't absorb back the Pit's Investiture (as far as we know) therefore He is already in a state of equilibrium.
OblivionRapture Posted December 28, 2016 Author Posted December 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, Yata said: I think He meant that Harmony didn't absorb back the Pit's Investiture (as far as we know) therefore He is already in a state of equilibrium. I get that, but it could create atium and lerasium at the same time to balance out and remain in harmony. Because wouldn't he have had to create atium for any to still exist in the world? or was there some leftover atium from the 1st era?
Yata he/him Posted December 28, 2016 Posted December 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, OblivionRapture said: I get that, but it could create atium and lerasium at the same time to balance out and remain in harmony. Because wouldn't he have had to create atium for any to still exist in the world? or was there some leftover atium from the 1st era? If he want, he may create Lerasium and Atium at will and of course if he creates the same amount of both. Balance or unbalance remain the same. IF He didn't reabsorb back the Pit's Investiture. The era 1's Atium would keep growing in the Pit as it always did. That portion of Ruin's Power stolen by Preservation. Was placed in a system called "Pits of Hatsin" where it spawn in solid form as Atium. Once burned the power return to the Pits to grow again and of course if Harmony didn't re-absorb the Pit's power...the atium will still grow there.
OblivionRapture Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 On 12/28/2016 at 2:44 PM, Yata said: If he want, he may create Lerasium and Atium at will and of course if he creates the same amount of both. Balance or unbalance remain the same. IF He didn't reabsorb back the Pit's Investiture. The era 1's Atium would keep growing in the Pit as it always did. That portion of Ruin's Power stolen by Preservation. Was placed in a system called "Pits of Hatsin" where it spawn in solid form as Atium. Once burned the power return to the Pits to grow again and of course if Harmony didn't re-absorb the Pit's power...the atium will still grow there. But didn't harmony say that the pits didn't exist anymore? For some reason, I feel as if they don't exist. Of course, maybe they manifest differently? As in, sporadically appearing all over the world instead of a set place; which could mean that atium would appear in places no humans would be able to reach it. Granted, I also am not sure of the extent of harmony's power, because of it's complicated nature, so these things may not be possible for certain reasons I don't know.
Yata he/him Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 4 hours ago, OblivionRapture said: But didn't harmony say that the pits didn't exist anymore? For some reason, I feel as if they don't exist. Of course, maybe they manifest differently? As in, sporadically appearing all over the world instead of a set place; which could mean that atium would appear in places no humans would be able to reach it. Granted, I also am not sure of the extent of harmony's power, because of it's complicated nature, so these things may not be possible for certain reasons I don't know. I don't remember quote from Harmony, maybe Brandon said something...But remember what Kelsier did, He destroyed the Atium's production for centuries. We can'ts say if "the Pit are gone" refer to: 1) Some centuries stop Kelsier make 2) Harmony re-absorb their power 3) Harmony simply moved them (and of course in the new location they will not spawn Atium from centuries)
Voidus Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 18 hours ago, Yata said: I don't remember quote from Harmony, maybe Brandon said something...But remember what Kelsier did, He destroyed the Atium's production for centuries. We can'ts say if "the Pit are gone" refer to: 1) Some centuries stop Kelsier make 2) Harmony re-absorb their power 3) Harmony simply moved them (and of course in the new location they will not spawn Atium from centuries) I did mention the exact quote last page but specifically Brandon said the well and the pits are 'no more' which certainly seems like the Investiture was reabsorbed. There's also another quote where he mentions that Harmony would be unbalanced without doing something with the extra Ruin.
OblivionRapture Posted December 31, 2016 Author Posted December 31, 2016 22 hours ago, Yata said: I don't remember quote from Harmony, maybe Brandon said something...But remember what Kelsier did, He destroyed the Atium's production for centuries. We can'ts say if "the Pit are gone" refer to: 1) Some centuries stop Kelsier make 2) Harmony re-absorb their power 3) Harmony simply moved them (and of course in the new location they will not spawn Atium from centuries) Perhaps he redistributed the remains of ruin's excess power in the form of atium, but stopped any more from being produced since ruin no longer had it's power being released over time?
Yata he/him Posted December 31, 2016 Posted December 31, 2016 5 hours ago, Voidus said: I did mention the exact quote last page but specifically Brandon said the well and the pits are 'no more' which certainly seems like the Investiture was reabsorbed. There's also another quote where he mentions that Harmony would be unbalanced without doing something with the extra Ruin. Ah I didn't remember the quote, thanks 1 hour ago, OblivionRapture said: Perhaps he redistributed the remains of ruin's excess power in the form of atium, but stopped any more from being produced since ruin no longer had it's power being released over time? If He spawn the Ruin's extra power directly in Atium....He would create more Atium than the amount we see in the whole FE. In the Final Empire the power slowly leeks in the physical over the time, while in this way all the power is turned physical together, I imagine it would be like an Atium's Mountain. If you are interested, @Pagerunner developed a theory about the Harmonium be slight umbalanced to Ruin and be used to Harmony to balance himself.
OblivionRapture Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 On 12/31/2016 at 3:31 AM, Yata said: Ah I didn't remember the quote, thanks If He spawn the Ruin's extra power directly in Atium....He would create more Atium than the amount we see in the whole FE. In the Final Empire the power slowly leeks in the physical over the time, while in this way all the power is turned physical together, I imagine it would be like an Atium's Mountain. If you are interested, @Pagerunner developed a theory about the Harmonium be slight umbalanced to Ruin and be used to Harmony to balance himself. couldn't he choose where to put all of it, though? It's possible the kandra horde it, as they used to, or it could be underwater.
cometaryorbit Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 On 12/28/2016 at 2:24 AM, Voidus said: There are a few contradicting WoBs on both points I'm thinking the conflict on the metals returning could be explained if the metals return, but not in an immediately useful form. If burned metal is really metabolized, in a biological sense, the metal atoms should be incorporated into some kind of compound and eventually excreted. So the metal isn't gone, as such, but it's not in metallic (burnable) form anymore. You'd have to do some kind of processing to restore it.
Voidus Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said: I'm thinking the conflict on the metals returning could be explained if the metals return, but not in an immediately useful form. If burned metal is really metabolized, in a biological sense, the metal atoms should be incorporated into some kind of compound and eventually excreted. So the metal isn't gone, as such, but it's not in metallic (burnable) form anymore. You'd have to do some kind of processing to restore it. True but if it was metabolized as normal then Allomancers wouldn't live very long since they'd get heavy metal toxicity.
cometaryorbit Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Voidus said: True but if it was metabolized as normal then Allomancers wouldn't live very long since they'd get heavy metal toxicity. Well, yeah. I agree it's not metabolized in the way a normal human body metabolizes it. What I meant was more like "if 'metabolized' really means that there's a biochemical process involved, rather than pure matter-to-Investiture conversion or something".
Andy92 Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Something else I've wondered about since Harmony came into power in the new era, why are there still mists in the Wax and Wayne books? Did Harmony just keep them so the reformed Scadrial would have some continuity with the old world? I was under the impression that the mists in the original trilogy were actually some form of Preservation's power in the Physical Realm (since that's what Vin breathes in when she Ascends). I could be mistaken with that, but I assumed the mists weren't really needed in the new era.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 22 hours ago, Andy92 said: I was under the impression that the mists in the original trilogy were actually some form of Preservation's power in the Physical Realm Ruin had a Mist of his own if I remember right. He used it to try to turn Vin away from Preservation's mistform. Brandon has said that Sazed has stronger ability to influence things in the areas where his mists are, so it appears to be a natural thing for them.
Jondesu he/him Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 23 hours ago, Andy92 said: Something else I've wondered about since Harmony came into power in the new era, why are there still mists in the Wax and Wayne books? Did Harmony just keep them so the reformed Scadrial would have some continuity with the old world? I was under the impression that the mists in the original trilogy were actually some form of Preservation's power in the Physical Realm (since that's what Vin breathes in when she Ascends). I could be mistaken with that, but I assumed the mists weren't really needed in the new era. There are actually two types of mist in Era 2, the original one and Ruin's mist, which @The One Who Connects mentioned. It is part of the Physical presence/aspect of those Shards, but that still exists with Sazed as the new Vessel. Eventually, they might merge into Harmony mist, but for now they both still exist.
Andy92 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 30 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: Ruin had a Mist of his own if I remember right. He used it to try to turn Vin away from Preservation's mistform. Brandon has said that Sazed has stronger ability to influence things in the areas where his mists are, so it appears to be a natural thing for them. I believe you're right about Ruin's mist. Think it was a different color but looked similar to Preservation's. And I remember when Sazed took both powers, he saw two mists swirling together around Vin and Ati. So I guess the presence of the mists was less about Preservation's "death" and more about the nature of the Shards themselves. And that would explain why the mists are still around since Harmony holds both Shards.
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