Chlehrma Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 It would have been really funny if Shallan's blade were any Honorblade this entire time. Alas, she has a bonded spren...I do wonder if we will see other non-heralds with Honorblades. It would be really funny if Andolin or elhokars blades were Honorblades and they just did not know it because the blades do not function correctly with shardplate.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 The three kinds of Blades are 1) Honorblades, 2) "common", modern-day, Shardblades, and 3) the Shardblades shown in Dalinar's visions, when they glowed and were wielded by Radiants, before they were abandoned to become #2. This theory was all but confirmed based on text in WoK - there really wasn't any other way to read the fact that Szeth's eyes turn bright blue whenever he summons his Blade. How he got the Blade is still a mystery, though my theory is that the Stone Shamans and Shin traditions are heavily involved. As to how the Parshendi got his oathstone, my theory is that Darkness gave it to them somehow the night of the feast, along with making sure they found out about whatever it was that Gavilar was doing. Putting my bets on it now: the next 3 books will show Prologue points of view for Eshonai, someone else, and lastly.....Gavilar. Blade types 2 and 3 could easily be considered the same thing. That is not confirmed.
weebojello Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Blade types 2 and 3 could easily be considered the same thing. That is not confirmed. As I see it, Type 2 = blade without spren, and type 3 would be blade with spren. Similarly effective, but as of now the only difference that I think we can safely say is that type 3 include glow effects. Looking forward to finding out! 1
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 As I see it, Type 2 = blade without spren, and type 3 would be blade with spren. Similarly effective, but as of now the only difference that I think we can safely say is that type 3 include glow effects. Looking forward to finding out! Right, but they are the same Shardblades, technically and very literally. They glowed in the visions, then winked out, but they are the same exact blades passed down across thousands of years. There is a piece missing from them now IFF the spren thing is actually accurate. If it isn't , they are identical. I would be surprised if they were considered different types now. 1
weebojello Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Right, but they are the same Shardblades, technically and very literally. They glowed in the visions, then winked out, but they are the same exact blades passed down across thousands of years. There is a piece missing from them now IFF the spren thing is actually accurate. If it isn't , they are identical. I would be surprised if they were considered different types now. Well, I had seen a post (maybe in this thread as well), that commented on the potential that after the Recreance and the loss of spren bond (in that there is no glow), it's possible that Odium has corrupted them. Or more accurately, Odium is able to affect the person *because* the spren bond has been broken. So, the sense *could be* that the Thrill is only possible in using the blades post recreance because the spren are no longer bonded / mimicking the Heralds. Pre-recreance would not have allowed for Thrill to be felt when using the blade. Just speculation on my part.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 Well, I had seen a post (maybe in this thread as well), that commented on the potential that after the Recreance and the loss of spren bond (in that there is no glow), it's possible that Odium has corrupted them. Or more accurately, Odium is able to affect the person *because* the spren bond has been broken. So, the sense *could be* that the Thrill is only possible in using the blades post recreance because the spren are no longer bonded / mimicking the Heralds. Pre-recreance would not have allowed for Thrill to be felt when using the blade. Just speculation on my part. And good speculation. But it is a much farther leap to assume that than it is to consider the possibility that we have seen another type of Shardblade that isn't operating on that difference. If they weren't literally the same blades, I would call it 50/50.
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Then we have Honorblades, Shardblades, and Odium-corrupted Blades? 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Then we have Honorblades, Shardblades, and Odium-corrupted Blades? i think that's a reasonable conclusion i agree
Sirscott13 he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I thought the types of blades were shard blades, honor blades, and then I remember reference somewhere about dawnshards? what if these are simply the third kind of blade and not the same thing as honor blades as everyone seems to think? (http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Dawnshards) 1
Macen he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Back to the how the Parshendi knew that Szeth could perform the assassination. I believe that the Parshendi and Darkness have goals that align. I believe that Darkness knew that Gavilar was going to do something so he procured (or already had) Szeth and gave him to the Parshendi, telling them what he could do.That's just my theory though. Obviously Darkness already knew that Szeth was there, and had the honorblade, and obviously the Parshendi knew what Szeth was capable off. The easiest explanation that makes sense is that they were in cahoots.
beef man Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Can I just point out that the Heralds use Dawnshards not honorblades? So Sezth's is the ONLY example of an honor blade we have seen.
Binnut he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Can I just point out that the Heralds use Dawnshards not honorblades? So Sezth's is the ONLY example of an honor blade we have seen. Do you have any quotes on that? Because that goes against everything I have understood and heard. (excluding theories that says that they are the same) Edit: Clearer wording. Edited February 17, 2014 by Binnut
+Aletus he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Dawnshards are not explicitly swords, or weapons even - to our knowledge. From Epigraph 36: “Taking the Dawnshard, known to bind any creature voidish or mortal, he crawled up the steps crafted for Heralds, ten strides tall apiece, toward the grand temple above.” And our Very Own Coppermind's article on Dawnshards is as such: The Dawnshards are mythological objects on Roshar. During the Era of Solitude, no one seemed to know exactly what they are or what they look like.[1] They have their root in mythology where they are reputed to be valuable but extraordinarily dangerous.[2] Talk about them was once common among those who recorded the early mythologies of Roshar, but they have since fallen out of discussion.[1] Honor refers to them in Dalinar's final vision, worried how humanity will survive without Dawnshards,[3] which suggests that the Dawnshards are lost or do not exist anymore. Honor seems to believe that the Dawnshards were crucial to defeating Odium. One of the Dawnshards was able to bind both voidish and mortal creatures, but what exactly that entails is unknown.[1] The Dawnshards are not the same thing as Honorblades: Shallan refers to them as distinct things.[2] Whereas the article for Honorblades is quite resolute in it's confirmation that the Honorblades were the instruments of the Heralds. http://coppermind.net/wiki/Honorblade However this opens up a different line of thought - which could become a mini-theory (mini based on the fact that we know next to nothing about Dawnshards) that Szeth's blade is a dawnshard (so that you would have simply had it backwards, Beef Man) In which - maybe the title of this thread should be that Dawnshards Grant the ability to Surgebind Edited February 17, 2014 by Blackwood 1
beef man Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Hmm, maybe I just misinterpreted things but that was what I understood by the end of the WoK. I could be wrong. Did the book ever specifically says the Heralds were using Honorblades or has everyone just assumed that? ( I don't have a book on me and won't for a while and I only trust the wiki to a point). Edited February 17, 2014 by beef man
+Aletus he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I also redact my theory as Eshonai says that the honorblade could have created the surgebinding kaladin did.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 The Heralds do wield Honorblades QuestionAre all of the Heralds who gave up their Honorblades still alive?Brandon SandersonGood question! RAFO. (source) DustinCan a Herald's blade/equipment be um....adopted? I only ask because Dalinar seems to be lacking one and that Herald at the end did kick the bucket in his capital and he's gonna need more than armor when Szeth shows up.Brandon SandersonSomeone who is not himself or herself a Herald can indeed use one of the Honorblades. (source) And then this, where we learn that one of the Heralds, other than Taln, went back to get their Honorblade. 1
beef man Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 WeiryWriter. Thanks for that. The first two evidences didn't actually show anything except that Brandon could be evasive. The last piece you linked to at the end was gold though
DocHoliday he/him Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Can I just point out that the Heralds use Dawnshards not honorblades? So Sezth's is the ONLY example of an honor blade we have seen. Hmm, maybe I just misinterpreted things but that was what I understood by the end of the WoK. I could be wrong. Did the book ever specifically says the Heralds were using Honorblades or has everyone just assumed that? ( I don't have a book on me and won't for a while and I only trust the wiki to a point). Weiry Writer linked you to some good information, but I want to add some about Kalak's POV. During the Prelude he and Jezrien keep referring to their weapons as their "Blades". While this may be short hand, as saying "my Honorblade" repeatedly might grow onerous, I don't think that this completely discounts the idea that they could conceivably be Dawn Shards. I've been theorizing about the nature of Odium's prison. There's a line in WoK that refers to "the 10 facets of Odium's prison". We are aware that the Heralds part some part in keeping Odium bound, thanks to the Prelude again. We are also aware that the Dawn Shards can bind any creature, Voidish or not. So is it completely creditable to claim that the two, Honorblades and Dawn Shards, are two separate, independent objects of Investiture? Now the flip side to my argument is that Honor tells Dalinar that mankind needs Dawn Shards to fight "the enemy". That Dalinar must return the Shards that mankind once wielded. This heavily implies that Tanavast does not believe that the Dawn Shards are in possession of any mortals. If we assume that Szeth is carrying an Honorblade, and for the sake of argument it's a Dawn Shard, the only defense that I can muster is that Tanavast is speaking from a time in the past and does not have current knowledge of present day Roshar. Much of this is speculation, feel free to poke holes.
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