Revan Kholin Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Through feruchemy you can store physical or mental speed using steel and zinc respectively. However my question is, when using physical speed would you need mental speed to compensate or does steelrunning make your mind adapt to the fast conditions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 You don't seem to need zinc for that. At least, Bleeder could do it in Shadows of Self. That may not be entirely applicable to humans though (maybe kandra can alter their nerve-conduction velocity or something) but there's a WOB that at least the reacting to physical stuff "bullet time" aspects come from steel. I don't know how much of that is higher thought vs muscle memory/snap reactions though. Zinc is more for stuff like digesting large amounts of information / look at a page of complex equations and understand it all instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Kholin Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 I see your point, still, imagine physical and mental speed used together wouldn't that make you really overpowered, reaction time and muscle memory is advanced ten-fold it would be epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savanorn Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Revan Kholin said: I see your point, still, imagine physical and mental speed used together wouldn't that make you really overpowered, reaction time and muscle memory is advanced ten-fold it would be epic Oh yes. Feruchemical steel (compounding more so) is pretty much considered the only really broken power in MMB. I actually think there's a bit of overlap here, as occurs with a few feruchemical powers. Realistically though I think mental speed is more about...intelligence; processing information quickly and accurately. It is about looking at a situation and being able to find the solution faster. Physical speed can allow you to do more in the same amount of time, but it doesn't actually make you better at doing it. So if someone was to walk into the room and throw a punch at you, physical speed would let you dodge, counter and escape all at once but mental speed might let you realize they were off balance on their left side so a quick push would send them tumbling. Or some such 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Kholin Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, Savanorn said: Oh yes. Feruchemical steel (compounding more so) is pretty much considered the only really broken power in MMB. I actually think there's a bit of overlap here, as occurs with a few feruchemical powers. Realistically though I think mental speed is more about...intelligence; processing information quickly and accurately. It is about looking at a situation and being able to find the solution faster. Physical speed can allow you to do more in the same amount of time, but it doesn't actually make you better at doing it. So if someone was to walk into the room and throw a punch at you, physical speed would let you dodge, counter and escape all at once but mental speed might let you realize they were off balance on their left side so a quick push would send them tumbling. Or some such Yeh you're right though in Scadrial steel running is much more useful than mental speed. However in Earth, mental speed seems much more needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savanorn Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Just now, Revan Kholin said: Yeh you're right though in Scadrial steel running is much more useful than mental speed. However in Earth, mental speed seems much more needed Imagine the potential of being a fZincaZinc on modern earth <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Kholin Posted November 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Savanorn said: Imagine the potential of being a fZincaZinc on modern earth <3 For a politician especially...damnation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manukos Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 almost all of feruchemical abilities would be amaizing with bronze who needs cofee copper and zinc would be extemely helpfull for exams cadium for scuba diving with chromium u could hit a casino or smt and so many more , i would argue that being a feruchemist is better than being a mistborn i the modern world (maybe if you dont take into account zinc and bras) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 It seems we keep going back to the Feruchemical steel / Feruchemical zinc issue. I think that the description "mental speed" is misleading. It's about letting you make intuitive laps, connecting the dots, drawing conclusions - it basically turns you into Sherlock Holmes (I feel like I've seen this explanation dozen times). However, physical speed does not only speed up your movements - it will also improve reaction time, reflexes and so on. You can totally overtap steel and enter bullet time, turning the world into your personal speedbubble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savanorn Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 9 hours ago, Oversleep said: It seems we keep going back to the Feruchemical steel / Feruchemical zinc issue. I think that the description "mental speed" is misleading. It's about letting you make intuitive laps, connecting the dots, drawing conclusions - it basically turns you into Sherlock Holmes (I feel like I've seen this explanation dozen times). However, physical speed does not only speed up your movements - it will also improve reaction time, reflexes and so on. You can totally overtap steel and enter bullet time, turning the world into your personal speedbubble. Agree here. I think the issue is that it is described as mental speed and the obvious jump is to bulletime. Especially because in MB we hardly ever see feruchemists tap mental speed. Thia sais, I'm kind of surprised Brandon went with "mental speed" and not just "intelligence" or something more vague. But I guess the issue there is, maybe, that "mental speed" is more easily described; it is more of a technical description. Like you could imagine someone storing a little mental speed every day like Wax stores weight, say a tenth, leaving them a little "slow" and then tapping it in short bursts to be several times more effective -turning them into Sherlock as you said. It is a little harder to imagine tapping and storing intellect. At least for me. Even though that's a more accurate term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 We do see what happens when you tap zinc in BoM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshadowbob Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I see it like this, tapping steel would give your brain enganced processing speed so time would seem to slow. This would give you the time to mentally work out a complex equation, but you still dont have the ability to work it out. Zinc would give you the ability to solve the equation mentally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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