[AU Spoilers] The Drominad System

[Mercy he/him]

2 hours ago, Pagerunner said:

So, that would mean Silverlight would be a city on a world we've already seen

Is Sliverlight necessarily a place? Could we not instead assume that Silverlight is an organisation? The sentence instead reading "... the few expeditions sent from The Ire have not returned" would make equal sense.

EDIT: Silverlight IS a place, there is WoB to confirm this.

 

1 hour ago, Pagerunner said:

The Ones Above are not worldhoppers - they are a space travel society based on a planet we've seen before. Yes, it's possible that a worldhopping colony from one planet could launch other expeditions, maintain its original identity, and later use space travel to continue exploration, but that's a lot of hoops to jump through.

It seems to me entirely plausible that an organisation or group could continue to send expeditions over a long period. If there is something on First of the Sun that they greatly want (which is implied many times in Sixth of the Dusk), then they would be eager to make it to the planet. Having established through several expeditions that travel through the perpendicularity is not possible, it would make sense for them to try again once a different means of travel had been invented - i.e. space travel.

Also, the essay states that "the area around the perpendicularity is extremely dangerous", but it does not state if this is danger in the Physical Realm, or the Cognitive Realm. Sure Patji is dangerous in the Physical Realm, but is there even greater danger in the Cognitive Realm for Worldhoppers?

Edited November 7, 2016 by Demoux

[PallonianFire he/him]

4 minutes ago, Demoux said:

Is Sliverlight necessarily a place? Could we not instead assume that Silverlight is an organisation? The sentence instead reading "... the few expeditions sent from The Ire have not returned" would make equal sense.

It's a place. We first heard about it in a WoB on reddit recently, in a conversation about highest population densities in the Cosmere. I'm pretty sure Silverlight is the Restaurant at the End of the Cosmere that he first revealed at JordanCon this year.

[Pagerunner he/him]

6 minutes ago, Demoux said:

 

Is Sliverlight necessarily a place? Could we not instead assume that Silverlight is an organisation? The sentence instead reading "... the few expeditions sent from The Ire have not returned" would make equal sense.

It seems to me entirely plausible that an organisation or group could continue to send expeditions over a long period. If there is something on First of the Sun that they greatly want (which is implied many times in Sixth of the Dusk), then they would be eager to make it to the planet. Having established through several expeditions that travel through the perpendicularity is not possible, it would make sense for them to try again once a different means of travel had been invented - i.e. space travel.

Brandon name-dropped Silverlight as a city on Twitter, when talking about population centers in the Cosmere. We know nothing else about it.

It's not the expeditions that give me pause; I was addressing the suggestion that Silverlight was located on a world we haven't seen before. If it's the same group that sent both the Shadesmar expeditions and the spaceship expeditions, then either Silverlight is located on a world we've seen before, or there are some serious verbal gymnastics going down to justify how a group that sent out expeditions hundreds (thousands?) of years ago still considers themselves to be from somewhere else entirely.

EDIT: Wrong source.

Edited November 7, 2016 by Pagerunner

[Mercy he/him]

Just now, PallonianFire said:

It's a place. We first heard about it in a WoB on reddit recently, in a conversation about highest population densities in the Cosmere. I'm pretty sure Silverlight is the Restaurant at the End of the Cosmere that he first revealed at JordanCon this year.

Do you have a link to this source?

[PallonianFire he/him]

1 minute ago, Demoux said:

Do you have a link to this source?

I do indeed. https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/51u8qu/oathbringer_spoilers_stormlight_three_update_4/d8zbvvs/

[What's a Seawolf?]

In regards to all the stories in the AU, is there a known chronology as to the in universe order they take place in?

[PallonianFire he/him]

2 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said:

In regards to all the stories in the AU, is there a known chronology as to the in universe order they take place in?

I think so, mostly. Idk if they ever set the Elantris/White Sand order for sure, but it should be:

Hope of Elantris
The Emperor's Soul
White Sand
.
.
The Eleventh Metal
Secret History
.
Edgedancer
.
Allomancer Jak
.
.

.

Sixth of the Dusk

 

With Shadows for Silence somewhere around/before Mistborn Era 1 stuff. But I might be wrong on that.

[masaru]

Thank you for the WOB on Vathi. Missed that.

I think my point regarding Silverlight is that nothing so far proves that it's a city on a planet we've seen before as you posited here (even though you went on to say you think they are two separate groups). I was mainly concerned with the conclusion in sentence 2 leading from sentence 1.

3 hours ago, Pagerunner said:

The Ones Above are from a world we've seen before. So, that would mean Silverlight would be a city on a world we've already seen: Sel, Nalthis, Roshar, Scadrial, or maybe Threnody if you stretch. (This WoB was before White Sand.) So, I think they're two separate groups - Silverlight tried to explore in the past, Ones Above managed it in the future.

 

[Argent he/him]

2 minutes ago, masaru said:

I think my point regarding Silverlight is that nothing so far proves that it's a city on a planet we've seen before

Or any planet!

[PallonianFire he/him]

2 minutes ago, masaru said:

I think my point regarding Silverlight is that nothing so far proves that it's a city on a planet we've seen before as you posited here (even though you went on to say you think they are two separate groups). I was mainly concerned with the conclusion in sentence 2 leading from sentence 1.

I agree. I don't think there's any evidence tying the Ones Above to Silverlight.

 

1 minute ago, Argent said:

Or any planet!

Hehe, agreed. Brandon teased me on Facebook just a minute ago when I said Silverlight is totally the Restaurant. He just responded with a smiley face

[Pagerunner he/him]

7 minutes ago, masaru said:

I think my point regarding Silverlight is that nothing so far proves that it's a city on a planet we've seen before as you posited here (even though you went on to say you think they are two separate groups). I was mainly concerned with the conclusion in sentence 2 leading from sentence 1.

I'm pretty sure we're not actually disagreeing on anything (the best kind of arguing, in my opinion). In fact, the only thing I've said we can prove about Silverlight is that the following two statements cannot be simultaneously true:

• The Ones Above are from Silverlight
• Silverlight is on a planet we haven't seen before

We can't prove either of those individual statements, so we can't determine which one is false. (Sentence 2 of my post didn't just lead from Sentence 1, but also Sentence 3 of the post I was quoting.) It's also possible that both of them are false.

Well, we can prove one other thing concerning Silverlight: Brandon is certainly enjoying himself.

[askthepaperclip he/him]

Did anyone catch this from the table of contents post? "Some of these planetary systems are familiar to the reader, some are almost entirely new, and some have apparently been hiding a great deal from their observers…" Based on this and the excerpt, sounds like Drominad  is home to the survival shard! 

[Argent he/him]

14 minutes ago, askthepaperclip said:

Did anyone catch this from the table of contents post? "Some of these planetary systems are familiar to the reader, some are almost entirely new, and some have apparently been hiding a great deal from their observers…" Based on this and the excerpt, sounds like Drominad  is home to the survival shard! 

This seems like a massive stretch. 

[thegatorgirl00 she/her]

Does the planet symbol look like feathers to anyone else? Could each planet's symbol be a representation of the planet's focus. 

[PallonianFire he/him]

24 minutes ago, thegatorgirl00 said:

Does the planet symbol look like feathers to anyone else? Could each planet's symbol be a representation of the planet's focus. 

Absolutely. And the negative white space in the middle is a bird. 

[king of nowhere]

Am I the only one to be somewhat surprised that several worldhopper expeditions disappeared on patji? It means one very important things: worldhoppers, with few exceptions like hoid, are not particularly powerful combat-wise. That's why they stay in the background, and that's why hoid remarks that the 17th shard wouldn't know what to do with him were they actually to catch him. In particular it means that healing powers like feruchemical gold or stormlight are exceedingly rare among worldhoppers; the greatest dangers on the island, for the unwary traveller, are all the poisonous insects and plants that they wouldn't know to avoid, and healing powers deal effectively with those.

[cometaryorbit]

I dunno. Patji is really scary, and if their critters are so poisonous it's massive overkill to get a human (maybe it's evolved to take down a Nightmaw... and frankly the stuff on Patji seems nastier than natural evolution could account for) your average Bloodmaker might not have enough healing to deal with it. Wayne can heal from repeated bullet wounds, but given that Feruchemical gold is apparently worse at diseases than injuries, a relatively "localized" injury like that is probably a lot easier than a systemic poison that can over-kill a human by a factor of 500 (supposedly the inland taipan in Australia is that bad).

[Yata he/him]

ok this update is really spicy...We have to completely re-think to all we know about Perpendicularities and worldhopping. Now the presence of people for minor Shardworld (like Therenody) became a really oddity fact as also some theories about therenody at all

[Windrunner he/him]

11 hours ago, PallonianFire said:

Absolutely. And the negative white space in the middle is a bird. 

I never noticed that in the white space. This symbol also has the benefit of looking like a wave too, which is apt considering all four of the planets in the habitable zone have water as a dominant feature to them.

[Young Bard he/him]

@PeterAhlstrom... I think there might be a slight mistake? There seems to be a contradictory WoB to the Table of Contents page here.

Quote

PALADIN BREWER

Is Threnody in the same planetary system as Sel?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes it is

Is this being retconned as a mistake, or is it a RAFO that I need to read AA to understand?

(Note: All credit to Haelbarde for finding this.  I just passed on the message.)

Edited November 8, 2016 by The Young Bard

[ScarletSabre he/him]

Hmmm.... Sudden thought about the Ones Above. What if they're Elantrians, more specifically the IRE?

They could still be trying to steal a Shard from another planet, and having access to a magical system that isn't connected to/derived from an existing Shard would be a big help in that. Especially if they know about the Atium-like effects of the birds on Patji...

There were no signs of Aons on any of their technology as far as I recall, but that could be just so it doesn't give the identity away, and they could have progressed to the point where they could use microscopic Aons like microchips in technology. Of course, would the Aons work off planet, so far away from Elantris and the Dor?

[Axies he/him]

Don't know if it will be relevant or not, but... gonna leave this here...

[Yata he/him]

2 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

@PeterAhlstrom... I think there might be a slight mistake? There seems to be a contradictory WoB to the Table of Contents page here.

Is this being retconned as a mistake, or is it a RAFO that I need to read AA to understand?

(Note: All credit to Haelbarde for finding this.  I just passed on the message.)

This WoB was in some strange way Misunderstood by the sharder....Peter read a topic and ask explaination to Brandon.
The Man said He remembered the WoB and answered "No"

Edited November 8, 2016 by Yata

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

@Axies Oh my Stars and Garters the juicy tidbits *swoons*

Edited November 8, 2016 by AnanasSpren

[askthepaperclip he/him]

18 hours ago, Argent said:

This seems like a massive stretch. 

Really? The phrasing seems too similar to the WoB about one shard just wanting to hide to be a coincidence. And if khriss says that there SHOULD be a shard there based on evidence, but she thinks there isn't, occams razor says that there is (but he's probably just hiding!) Where is the stretch?