Where to they get more Parshmen from?

[cadebengert he/him]

So, if Parshmen don't mate unless in mateform, where do humans get more Parshmen slaves from? I assume that they die like normal beings, and we have seen them die, but how to they replace those numbers?

This may be explained in the books and I just missed it, but it confuses me.

[Yata he/him]

The Listener in slave form may mate. The forms are just specializations.

Probably the Listeners aren't a very fertile race...also in Mateform they may have issues to generate offspring (Eshonai for example) and I imagine that it's harder in slaveform

[Spoolofwhool]

28 minutes ago, cadebengert said:

So, if Parshmen don't mate unless in mateform, where do humans get more Parshmen slaves from? I assume that they die like normal beings, and we have seen them die, but how to they replace those numbers?

This may be explained in the books and I just missed it, but it confuses me.

Listeners can mate in multiple forms; mateform is just specialized for mating. So slaveform and a few others can.

.... And Yata ninjas me while I'm looking for WoBs in the matter. Typical.

[Oversleep]

That's like the third topic on that. Learn to use search.

 

[+Zodiac he/him]

35 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

That's like the third topic on that. Learn to use search.

 

There are a lot of posts on this webisite along with a lot of new people(myself included). Its pretty understandable that he would not be able to find specific articles 

 

[Savanorn he/him]

39 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

That's like the third topic on that. Learn to use search.

 

Don't take that tone with the newlings, skeda, it is unbecoming. 

2 minutes ago, Patricksinger said:

There are a lot of posts on this webisite along with a lot of new people(myself included). Its pretty understandable that he would not be able to find specific articles 

 

Yessah. 

[Argel he/him]

I'm with @Oversleep. Between pointless necro'ing of late and duplicate topics within weeks -- they are turning into spam. Be nice to the new users? How about the new users show some courtesy by doing a quick search before posting? 

[Savanorn he/him]

33 minutes ago, Argel said:

I'm with @Oversleep. Between pointless necro'ing of late and duplicate topics within weeks -- they are turning into spam. Be nice to the new users? How about the new users show some courtesy by doing a quick search before posting? 

Poor argument to take. 

The whole point of newbies is that they are new, this may be the first forum they have visited. A polite "did you know there's a search function? It's in the top right corner" does the same. Indeed it does more as it offers an method for raising conduct rather than needlessly slapping wrists. 

So you have positive, positive, best possible results for all parties under my scenario and...what? Pointless rudeness for yours? Any further argument is pointless as you are, essentially, saying "we should get to be rude because what they are doing is rude too."  

We want new kids, they should be made to feel welcome and educated to be more productive. 

[hoidhunter he/him]

They bump uglies like anyone else...just...all slow, and dumb like.  Parshwoman slaves are given 4-6 weeks of family leave time after the parshbaby is born...just like Americans.

[Sand Master]

6 minutes ago, hoidhunter said:

They bump uglies like anyone else...just...all slow, and dumb like.  Parshwoman slaves are given 4-6 weeks of family leave time after the parshbaby is born...just like Americans.

Might have to change my member title to Parshbaby. For some reason that strikes me as really funny.

[hoidhunter he/him]

It's yours if you want it.  I'd be honored.

[cadebengert he/him]

 

6 hours ago, Oversleep said:

That's like the third topic on that. Learn to use search.

 

 

4 hours ago, Argel said:

I'm with @Oversleep. Between pointless necro'ing of late and duplicate topics within weeks -- they are turning into spam. Be nice to the new users? How about the new users show some courtesy by doing a quick search before posting? 

My apologies to both of you. I didn't realize there was a search function. I will try to be better about inherently knowing things, rather than specifically posting to upset you with my ignorance.

In addition, I didn't specifically mean breeding. Do they capture Parshendi and enslave them, assuming they become dejected, and this explains their slaveform? Or is it said that they are bred? I also don't recall any female Parshmen being mentioned as slaves. Just curious.

[Savanorn he/him]

36 minutes ago, cadebengert said:

 

 

My apologies to both of you. I didn't realize there was a search function. I will try to be better about inherently knowing things, rather than specifically posting to upset you with my ignorance.

In addition, I didn't specifically mean breeding. Do they capture Parshendi and enslave them, assuming they become dejected, and this explains their slaveform? Or is it said that they are bred? I also don't recall any female Parshmen being mentioned as slaves. Just curious.

We do know the answer to this, at least. 

The Alethi were surprised at the existence of the Parshendi, and initially didn't believe they existed at all, and for the vast majority of the Vengeance Pact War Parshendi were known to not surrender.

Thus, we do know that they are not captured and broken.

 

[Yata he/him]

39 minutes ago, cadebengert said:

In addition, I didn't specifically mean breeding. Do they capture Parshendi and enslave them, assuming they become dejected, and this explains their slaveform? Or is it said that they are bred? I also don't recall any female Parshmen being mentioned as slaves. Just curious.

The Humans (at least the modern ones) don't know that Parshendi and Parshmen are the same specie. Humans think they are two species with the same root/ancestors.

Parshmen are Listener (the true name of their race) who in the ancient past (I think at least a thousand of years, but maybe from the last Desolation) left their form (willing or un-willing). The Formless Listener are docile and quite dumb...and human for probably multiple reason began to use them as slaves. The centuries passed and the human don't remember the "Parshi"'s origin.

A little group of Listener didn't fully lose their form and continue to live isolated from the humans (this Listener originally remembered only Mateform and dullform)

PS: for direct answer, I may reccomend to post your question in the Cosmere Q&A...maybe someone may direct you to an already open topic about your question

 

EDIT: For some seconds, ninjed by Savanorn XD

Edited September 16, 2016 by Yata

[Savanorn he/him]

2 minutes ago, Yata said:

The Humans (at least the modern ones) don't know that Parshendi and Parshmen are the same specie. Humans think they are two species with the same root/ancestors.

Parshmen are Listener (the true name of their race) who in the ancient past (I think at least a thousand of years, but maybe from the last Desolation) left their form (willing or un-willing). The Formless Listener are docile and quite dumb...and human for probably multiple reason began to use them as slaves. The centuries passed and the human don't remember the "Parshi"'s origin.

A little group of Listener didn't fully lose their form and continue to live isolated from the humans (this Listener originally remembered only Mateform and dullform)

 

EDIT: For some seconds, ninjed by Savanorn XD

You have to wake up pretty early to beat Old Savvy 

But you add some good stuff, which I've helpfully bolded. 

[Krandacth]

58 minutes ago, cadebengert said:

I also don't recall any female Parshmen being mentioned as slaves. Just curious.

I'm not 100% on this, but I think Shallan mentions thinking that one of Tvlakv's slaves might be female, but that it is almost impossible to tell with Parshmen without undressing them.

Edit: On the move, so no access to the text to give a reference

Edited September 16, 2016 by Krandacth

[1stBondsmith he/him]

9 hours ago, cadebengert said:

My apologies to both of you. I didn't realize there was a search function. I will try to be better about inherently knowing things, rather than specifically posting to upset you with my ignorance.

Upvoted for both humility and wit. Both are needed more. On the search question, I have been a member for a week now, and tried in vain to use the search function for three different topics, because there were so many entries, (even when I used specific phrases), that I didn't have free time or patience enough to check all necroed postings. Forgiveness and good links appear to be the best response. 

Children are mentioned very little in the book as a whole. How many races have we had children mentioned/seen on screne in...1 in Stromlight and three in all the books of the cosmere? Seems no exception here with Parshedi. Not much of a mystery in my opinion. 

[+Lewis Nethur He/Him]

13 hours ago, hoidhunter said:

They bump uglies like anyone else...just...all slow, and dumb like.  Parshwoman slaves are given 4-6 weeks of family leave time after the parshbaby is born...just like Americans.

I feel like you really didn't get enough credit for this post.  Hilarious and coined a funny new word, parshbaby.  Thank God for people like you in the Cosmere

[If.you.die.I.go.stupid]

10 hours ago, 1stBondsmith said:

 

Children are mentioned very little in the book as a whole. How many races have we had children mentioned/seen on screne in...1 in Stromlight and three in all the books of the cosmere? Seems no exception here with Parshedi. Not much of a mystery in my opinion. 

I respectfully disagree.  We see Kalidian his bother and fellow villagers as children. We see Shalan and her brothers as children. There is a child in one of Dalinar's visions. There is Lift,  the boy who needs shoes, and more. There isn't a lot of mention of children on the shattered plains but in other places there is. I suspect leaving children out of Eshonai's POVs is intentional and meaningful.  

 

I definitely agree about the search function.  I'm struggling to find the threads related to my questions via the search. 

[Sand Master]

25 minutes ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

I respectfully disagree.  We see Kalidian his bother and fellow villagers as children. We see Shalan and her brothers as children. There is a child in one of Dalinar's visions. There is Lift,  the boy who needs shoes, and more. There isn't a lot of mention of children on the shattered plains but in other places there is. I suspect leaving children out of Eshonai's POVs is intentional and meaningful.  

 

I definitely agree about the search function.  I'm struggling to find the threads related to my questions via the search. 

Well the Parshendi are on the Shattered Plains. While I feel that it's likely that children are there, everything we see in Narak has to do with the war against the Alethi. Children aren't going to be of much use in furthering the plot here, and so they're not mentioned. They might be good for worldbuilding, but because we only see Narak in the interludes, there's not a lot of space in which to put trivial matters.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

IIRC, there was mention of children in one of the Eshonai interludes. Something along the lines of wonder who would watch over them, maybe relating to the "turn everyone stormform" stuff.

[Sand Master]

2 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

IIRC, there was mention of children in one of the Eshonai interludes. Something along the lines of wonder who would watch over them, maybe relating to the "turn everyone stormform" stuff.

This mention was when Rlain returned to Dalinar's army. Here is the quote:

Quote

"I got close enough to see an army, tens of thousands. But surely they left some in other forms. The elderly? The young? Who watches our children?"

 

[If.you.die.I.go.stupid]

17 minutes ago, Sand Master said:

Well the Parshendi are on the Shattered Plains. While I feel that it's likely that children are there, everything we see in Narak has to do with the war against the Alethi. Children aren't going to be of much use in furthering the plot here, and so they're not mentioned. They might be good for worldbuilding, but because we only see Narak in the interludes, there's not a lot of space in which to put trivial matters.

They are on the plains now. We've seen accounts of when the Alethi first met them. Not much mentioned there either. Those were Parshendi on expeditions so maybe no children were with them. There were Alethi who started studying the Parshendi when they first met.  I wonder if they asked about children and we haven't seen an account of that yet. 

Two books in and we haven't seen a description of a Parshendi or Parshman child.  I think it's intentional.  

[Argel he/him]

10 hours ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

I definitely agree about the search function.  I'm struggling to find the threads related to my questions via the search.

You can also use Google or DuckDuckGo:

site:17thshard.com <what you want to search for>

 

9 hours ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

Two books in and we haven't seen a description of a Parshendi or Parshman child.  I think it's intentional.

If we went through Eshonai's flashback book without seeing any that would be far more compelling. As is, there is little page time given to the Listeners, so we need to be careful reading too much into it.

Case in point, how can Listeners interbreed with humans (Horneaters and Herdazians) if they do not have children like we do?

It's also possible Brandon wants to avoid the whole children turning into voidbringers thing and is just leaving them out because of that.

[Oversleep]

10 hours ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

I definitely agree about the search function.  I'm struggling to find the threads related to my questions via the search. 

Part of the problem are multiple threads on the same topic. It's hard to find information you're looking for if there are four threads about the same thing. That's why searching for information instead of creating new topic is so important.

7 minutes ago, Argel said:

It's also possible Brandon wants to avoid the whole children turning into voidbringers thing and is just leaving them out because of that.

On the other hand, that's a very good source of drama. Imagine what a character would feel when forced to kill a child Voidbringer.