Szeth comment from Brandon at DragonCon Q&A

[Sarevok]

In saturday's Q&A at DragonCon Brandon mentioned that the way Szeth was reborn at the end of WoR was foreshadowed in WoK. Did anyone find it yet? (If not, I'm going to re-read the whole book )

Here's the whole Q&A: https://www.periscope.tv/w/apm9izF4blFyWE9BZ0Juall8MUJSSmpSandQd2dKdwzzXb9OjmLMVE4wuBThOy7igKnRGyihUezunRebVVhI

Can't give the exact moment right now, because I'm at work.

 

Edited to add link.

Edited September 4, 2016 by Sarevok

[Yata he/him]

I have a doubt about.

At the first  thought it was the Lift's interlude. But this happens in book two.

Maybe the scene inside Dalinar's vision with the Night essence and the Radiands with the Regrow Fabrial (I don't remember if it happens in WoK or WoR)

[Zea mays]

Welp, maybe it's the epigraph for chapter 61 Right for Wrong

"In the storm I awaken, falling, spinning, grieving."

 

I had always thought that was foreshadowing Eshonai's character arc, but maybe it suits Szeth better.

[thegatorgirl00 she/her]

4 minutes ago, Yata said:

I have a doubt about.

At the first  thought it was the Lift's interlude. But this happens in book two.

Maybe the scene inside Dalinar's vision with the Night essence and the Radiands with the Regrow Fabrial (I don't remember if it happens in WoK or WoR)

It happens in WoK ch 19.  That would be my guess about what he meant. 

[Guest]

In one of Dalinar's visions we see a knight Radiant heal someone with a fabrial. I believe, this is the foreshadowing Brandon talked about.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Either it was that fabrial or one of the many death rattles.

The fabrial gives solid evidence that someone can be revived in the way Szeth was.

As for death rattles... We have already associated a few of those death rattles with events in Kaladin and Shallan's lives that we have seen so far. And, obviously, a fair number of them explicitly foretell the everstorm. They are prophetic of a lot of the future events.

 

Also... Speaking of prophecy... I know Dalinar was receiving visions of the past, but does anyone else think that the writing on the wall might not be something coming from the stormfather?

Edited September 5, 2016 by Drake Marshall

[Yata he/him]

Probably the real foreshadow are a mix between:

Wotk) Dalinar's vision---> We discovers the existence of Regrow Fabrial

WoR) Lift's Interlude----->We discover that Regrow Surges may heal someone who recently dead.

This two event together are actually enough for the Szeth's resurrection

[william.sexton3 he/him]

So what about this from the prologue:

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The tempest within Szeth gave him many advantages, including the ability to quickly recover from small wounds, but it would not restore limbs killed by a shardblade.

I don't think that this is the foreshadow, but why would this be included since this is utterly false, or maybe only the KR could actually do it? Kaladin, who clearly does not have the power of regrowth (as a Windrunner he has abrasion and gravitation), obviously did it, so why does Szeth fear this? Is he just wrong?

[Jofwu he/him]

2 hours ago, william.sexton3 said:

I don't think that this is the foreshadow, but why would this be included since this is utterly false, or maybe only the KR could actually do it? Kaladin, who clearly does not have the power of regrowth (as a Windrunner he has abrasion and gravitation), obviously did it, so why does Szeth fear this? Is he just wrong?

No, Szeth isn't wrong. Szeth only has the honorblade which, presumably, doesn't grant this ability. We don't know a whole lot at this point about what powers are granted by the honorblade.

Kaladin is able to heal from a shardblade cut because of his bond with Syl. He isn't using the surge of Regrowth, it's just some kind of innate ability that a surgebinder gets (at some level) because of the nahel bond.

If I remember correctly, Szeth gets really upset when Kaladin heals from the shardblade cut and returns to the fight. It seems that Szeth realizes what this means. He knows that Kaladin's powers aren't just coming from an honorblade because that recovery implies he is a surgebinder.

[william.sexton3 he/him]

6 minutes ago, jofwu said:

If I remember correctly, Szeth gets really upset when Kaladin heals from the shardblade cut and returns to the fight. It seems that Szeth realizes what this means. He knows that Kaladin's powers aren't just coming from an honorblade because that recovery implies he is a surgebinder.

But then Szeth is appeased and returns to kill Dalinar when Taravangian tells him that one of the honorblades have been taken. Why would that matter if the honorblades don't give the power? and I'm pretty sure that Szeth flees when he sees Kaladin use a lashing, not heal. 

[Garglemesh he/him]

22 minutes ago, jofwu said:

If I remember correctly, Szeth gets really upset when Kaladin heals from the shardblade cut and returns to the fight. It seems that Szeth realizes what this means. He knows that Kaladin's powers aren't just coming from an honorblade because that recovery implies he is a surgebinder.

Can we talk about this for a minute? How does Szeth know the implications of Kaladin healing himself? Is it something only Szeth knows because he was instructed by the Shaman, or is it common knowledge among the Shin? When you consider another Rosharan with uncommon knowledge of Desolations, Mr. T, knows enough of the Shin to speak their language and quote their idioms, I'd say the Shin know a lot more than they let on. I wonder how reclusive they are with their knowledge. Is Taravangian really the first to try to learn more about the Shin? 

 

5 minutes ago, william.sexton3 said:

But then Szeth is appeased and returns to kill Dalinar when Taravangian tells him that one of the honorblades have been taken. Why would that matter if the honorblades don't give the power? and I'm pretty sure that Szeth flees when he sees Kaladin use a lashing, not heal. 

Taravangian claimed it was the Honorblade granting the Regrowth surge, not implying that Honorblades heal shardplate wounds. 

 

Edit: He flees when he sees him heal. Kaladin performs no lashing during their course of their encounter because he doesn't really know any yet, other than sticking rocks together.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Garglemesh
Added Edit

[Jofwu he/him]

Szeth's knowledge is a real mystery. Or perhaps just the Shin (shamans?) in general?

[Yata he/him]

Szeth "believes" that a Surgebinder can't heal from a Shardblade hit...and his mind would prevent him from heal such spiritual wound.

It's the same thing as Shallan and the 10 heartbeats, she don't want to admit she can summon her Shardblade without delay...and the shardblade delays.

When Szeth see Kaladin's healing... He goes crazy and run from Mr T because if the KR is real, he is not a truthless, ecc.... Mr T tricks him with the idea of a missing Honorblade who has the Progression Surge. A surge that Heals....He toys with Szeth's knowledge to made him think that Kal used the Progression Surge to heal himself, and Szeth willing to believe, actually believes to this lie.

[Rasarr she/her]

9 hours ago, william.sexton3 said:

So what about this from the prologue:

I don't think that this is the foreshadow, but why would this be included since this is utterly false, or maybe only the KR could actually do it? Kaladin, who clearly does not have the power of regrowth (as a Windrunner he has abrasion and gravitation), obviously did it, so why does Szeth fear this? Is he just wrong?

Could it be that honorblades don't bestow such abilities on a person while Radiant blades do? Even without his blade, Taln could easily move much faster than human being and snatch poison darts mid-flight. Heralds seem to be augmented beyond capabilities of normal humans, so they could be capable of Stormlight-healing on their own. If so, then presumably there'd be no point adding the same ability to the honorblade, which could be why Kaladin can heal Shardblade wounds and Szeth cannot.

[Shardbearer he/him]

We have a WoB for that:

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1133#89

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QUESTION

Szeth says in the first stormlight book that he can’t heal from a shardblade--

BRANDON SANDERSON

He can’t.

QUESTION

So when he got cut he couldn’t heal that…

BRANDON SANDERSON

No. Not with his powers.

QUESTION

Not from an honorblade.

BRANDON SANDERSON

Not from an honorblade.

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So it's not just cognitive. 

[Yata he/him]

8 hours ago, Shardbearer said:

We have a WoB for that:

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1133#89

So it's not just cognitive. 

I am a bit surprised...I have to recheck, but I think my previous post statement (not the exact wording) comes from another and contraddictory WoB