Argel he/him Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Pathfinder said: And when Roshone had been given authority over Hearthstone and granted the mansion and surrounding lands, Highprince Sadeas had given Laral a dowry in compensation. Maybe the dowry is for the mansion and surrounding lands. 1 hour ago, Pathfinder said: Why would Jasnah, in that conversation go "Third in line. behind my brother's infant son and Dalinar my uncle. Then his brother Renarin, and finally me." It makes no sense. Jasnah never says the second part (about Renarin and her), so other than the "It makes no sense", I don't get what you are trying to say here. If anything, it feels like you are pushing your theory too hard. The focus of that conversation is Jasnah setting up Shallan up with Adolin. Why would she bother mentioning Renarin?? She's not pairing Shallan with him. You are taking that conversation out of context because the focus is on the matchmaking, not successions. It's basically Jasnah explaining to Shallan how she's helping with Shallan's family situation (Adolin is third in line for the throne) and what Adolin's situation is, and that Shallan's future potential brings more to the table from her side than she realizes. Jasnah has zero reason to go into the details of how successions work beyond Adolin. In fact, if there are bizarre special cases that came up that do not apply to the current situation, Jasnah would not mention those either, because she's just stating the current situation to Shallan.
Pathfinder Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Argel said: Maybe the dowry is for the mansion and surrounding lands. Jasnah never says the second part (about Renarin and her), so other than the "It makes no sense", I don't get what you are trying to say here. If anything, it feels like you are pushing your theory too hard. The focus of that conversation is Jasnah setting up Shallan up with Adolin. Why would she bother mentioning Renarin?? She's not pairing Shallan with him. You are taking that conversation out of context because the focus is on the matchmaking, not successions. It's basically Jasnah explaining to Shallan how she's helping with Shallan's family situation (Adolin is third in line for the throne) and what Adolin's situation is, and that Shallan's future potential brings more to the table from her side than she realizes. Jasnah has zero reason to go into the details of how successions work beyond Adolin. In fact, if there are bizarre special cases that came up that do not apply to the current situation, Jasnah would not mention those either, because she's just stating the current situation to Shallan. The reason I brought it up was that Maxal was saying since Jasnah never mentioned herself in that sentence, that she was not in the line of inheritance. I was stating the logic was faulty, because neither was Renarin mentioned and everyone assumes he is in the line of succession. I will say one last thing and then truly I will stop. What happened to Navani, is referred to as "the Queen Mother". Please see the reference below: " As the monarch's mother, the queen mother is typically supported throughout her remaining years and given honour as a beloved relative, but has no official position or power. She is expected to carefully abstain from any involvement in governance or politics. Elsewhere, the position she occupies is somewhat more ritualistic in nature. " Which again is why I feel Navani's situation is different than Ialai's. Navani had children. As per the society, now that they have an heir to be king, she is of now "use" other than as a figure head. I feel my opinion is quite supported in historical as well as in book, but I am clearly in the minority here, and it would not further the thread for me to continue. I understand Maxal and Argel wishing to reply, as I am not doing this to "get the last word". In the end I guess we will RAFO.
Guest Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 33 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: The reason I brought it up was that Maxal was saying since Jasnah never mentioned herself in that sentence, that she was not in the line of inheritance. I was stating the logic was faulty, because neither was Renarin mentioned and everyone assumes he is in the line of succession. I will say one last thing and then truly I will stop. What happened to Navani, is referred to as "the Queen Mother". Please see the reference below: " As the monarch's mother, the queen mother is typically supported throughout her remaining years and given honour as a beloved relative, but has no official position or power. She is expected to carefully abstain from any involvement in governance or politics. Elsewhere, the position she occupies is somewhat more ritualistic in nature. " Which again is why I feel Navani's situation is different than Ialai's. Navani had children. As per the society, now that they have an heir to be king, she is of now "use" other than as a figure head. I feel my opinion is quite supported in historical as well as in book, but I am clearly in the minority here, and it would not further the thread for me to continue. I understand Maxal and Argel wishing to reply, as I am not doing this to "get the last word". In the end I guess we will RAFO. Pathfinder, I agree to RAFO on this one. As I said, it may be you are right, but I currently think you are not. It may be as you say, Jasnah is in line for the throne once all of the male heirs die, but I am of the opinion if she ever were in line, she would stand higher than Adolin and would have thus, named herself. I guess I simply agree to disagree with you. I hear your argumentation, but you haven't convince me, yet. There is however one thing we can all agree on: book 3 is going to be awesome
Pathfinder Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, maxal said: Pathfinder, I agree to RAFO on this one. As I said, it may be you are right, but I currently think you are not. It may be as you say, Jasnah is in line for the throne once all of the male heirs die, but I am of the opinion if she ever were in line, she would stand higher than Adolin and would have thus, named herself. I guess I simply agree to disagree with you. I hear your argumentation, but you haven't convince me, yet. There is however one thing we can all agree on: book 3 is going to be awesome Pretty much. All the sample of the novella did to me is want Stormlight 3 that much sooner lol.
Guest Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Pathfinder said: Pretty much. All the sample of the novella did to me is want Stormlight 3 that much sooner lol. Then this is something we can both agree on
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