Argel he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Like the new site overall, now that the brightness has been toned down. The one thing I really dislike is the change to Reputation. Either you should show the number, or some kind of obvious scale (like Reputation: 10+ 20+ 30+ 50+ 100+ 200+ 300+ 400+ .... ) or stop showing the reputation title. As is, it looks like a title the user may have chosen, and as has already been pointed out, some of those titles can appear to be offensive without the reputation context. Personally, I think it's useful to know who has high reputation, since e.g. someone with 4000+ reputation weighing in on a subject is more likely to be familiar with all of the meta info out there than someone new. If you are worried about it being too competitive, then maybe the scales I listed above would be a good compromise? Another option may be to go with boring but obvious titles such as "Reputation Rank 5" and maybe have 20 levels/ranks. Anyway, bottom line is I would really like to see some kind of indicator, or if that's out of the question then stop displaying the current reputation titles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Argel said: Like the new site overall, now that the brightness has been toned down. The one thing I really dislike is the change to Reputation. Either you should show the number, or some kind of obvious scale (like Reputation: 10+ 20+ 30+ 50+ 100+ 200+ 300+ 400+ .... ) or stop showing the reputation title. As is, it looks like a title the user may have chosen, and as has already been pointed out, some of those titles can appear to be offensive without the reputation context. Personally, I think it's useful to know who has high reputation, since e.g. someone with 4000+ reputation weighing in on a subject is more likely to be familiar with all of the meta info out there than someone new. If you are worried about it being too competitive, then maybe the scales I listed above would be a good compromise? Another option may be to go with boring but obvious titles such as "Reputation Rank 5" and maybe have 20 levels/ranks. Anyway, bottom line is I would really like to see some kind of indicator, or if that's out of the question then stop displaying the current reputation titles. I agree with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Argel said: Like the new site overall, now that the brightness has been toned down. The one thing I really dislike is the change to Reputation. Either you should show the number, or some kind of obvious scale (like Reputation: 10+ 20+ 30+ 50+ 100+ 200+ 300+ 400+ .... ) or stop showing the reputation title. As is, it looks like a title the user may have chosen, and as has already been pointed out, some of those titles can appear to be offensive without the reputation context. Personally, I think it's useful to know who has high reputation, since e.g. someone with 4000+ reputation weighing in on a subject is more likely to be familiar with all of the meta info out there than someone new. If you are worried about it being too competitive, then maybe the scales I listed above would be a good compromise? Another option may be to go with boring but obvious titles such as "Reputation Rank 5" and maybe have 20 levels/ranks. Anyway, bottom line is I would really like to see some kind of indicator, or if that's out of the question then stop displaying the current reputation titles. I can understand the dislike for not having the number there. I kind of miss it too. This was made as a compromise in a long, heated discussion a few months ago about the reputation system. Its purpose is to de-emphasize the numerical value on people, yet to retain the fun titles as well as the numerical value on posts. We currently have no plans of removing titles, nor any plans to put numbers on profile tickers. If you would like a glancable means of determining the value of posts I would encourage you to look at the lower right of a post Honestly, whatever we do with the rep system, someone doesn't like it, so we can't really win. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 35 minutes ago, Chaos said: I can understand the dislike for not having the number there. I kind of miss it too. This was made as a compromise in a long, heated discussion a few months ago about the reputation system. Its purpose is to de-emphasize the numerical value on people, yet to retain the fun titles as well as the numerical value on posts. We currently have no plans of removing titles, nor any plans to put numbers on profile tickers. If you would like a glancable means of determining the value of posts I would encourage you to look at the lower right of a post Honestly, whatever we do with the rep system, someone doesn't like it, so we can't really win. Could you do a mouseover thing? Mouseover someone's title to see what rep the person has? Or even just show the minimum rep to trigger that title? Or click on the title to expand to show the rep/minimum rep? I, personally, loved the reputation system - especially as someone who lurked for a long-time without making an account. I see these God Beyond's and Lerasium Mistborn's and the numbers and ohhh what a system! Oh well, I know you are in a tough position trying to appease everyone. Do whatever you think is best! I am mainly here to learn, share and occasionally annoy @Pathfinder and @Blightsong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 51 minutes ago, Chaos said: Honestly, whatever we do with the rep system, someone doesn't like it, so we can't really win. 55 minutes ago, Chaos said: yet to retain the fun titles Then you should at least remove the offensive titles from the list then. This is the official fan site for Brandon, and his fans shouldn't be forced to endure offensive reputation titles. It was tolerable before when the reputation value was there to give it context, but now the only context is a meaningless "+" sign (meaningless in the sense that until you see someone with a '-' sign it's not clear that it means positive reputation). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Argel said: Then you should at least remove the offensive titles from the list then. This is the official fan site for Brandon, and his fans shouldn't be forced to endure offensive reputation titles. It was tolerable before when the reputation value was there to give it context, but now the only context is a meaningless "+" sign (meaningless in the sense that until you see someone with a '-' sign it's not clear that it means positive reputation). Could you tell me which you find "offensive"? I just looked at the list and I don't see ones that would be offensive. Yes some come from villainous factions, but I don't see "offensive". EDIT: If they were deemed offensive, they would never have been titles in the first place. Edited June 15, 2016 by Chaos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chaos said: Could you tell me which you find "offensive"? I just looked at the list and I don't see ones that would be offensive. Yes some come from villainous factions, but I don't see "offensive". Here are some of the negative associations that I personally have with some of the words used as titles: Gyorn - religious terrorist (leaders in a militaristic religious extremist movement) Wyrn - Osama bin Laden Envisager - suicidal / cultist Silent Gatherer - nazi doctor Svrakiss, Unmade, Voidbringer, Midnight Essence - demon/devil Stone Shaman - another form of religious extremist Lord Ruler - fascist Steel Inquisitor, Dakhor Monk - demonic assassin Obligator, Prelan, High Prelan, Arteth - various forms of "corrupt government official" or "religious extremist" Skaa, Bridgeman, Ardent - slave Houselord, Lighteyes, Highprince - slave owner There's nothing THAT bad there in my opinion, to be honest, besides Silent Gatherer, Envisager, and some of the Derethi ones. Edited June 15, 2016 by Nyali 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 31 minutes ago, Nyali said: Here are some of the negative associations that I personally have with some of the words used as titles: Hide contents Gyorn - religious terrorist (leaders in a militaristic religious extremist movement) Wyrn - Osama bin Laden Envisager - suicidal / cultist Silent Gatherer - nazi doctor Svrakiss, Unmade, Voidbringer, Midnight Essence - demon/devil Stone Shaman - another form of religious extremist Lord Ruler - fascist Steel Inquisitor, Dakhor Monk - demonic assassin Obligator, Prelan, High Prelan, Arteth - various forms of "corrupt government official" or "religious extremist" Skaa, Bridgeman, Ardent - slave Houselord, Lighteyes, Highprince - slave owner There's nothing THAT bad there in my opinion, to be honest, besides Silent Gatherer, Envisager, and some of the Derethi ones. I would like to say that I think these descriptions are pretty subjective. I, for one, am excited for when/if I reach most of those levels. Why? Because some of them are powerful/cool (Steel Inquisitor), Gyorn is the title of one of the best characters ever written (Hrathen), etc etc. While I respect the idea that someone could be offended by these titles I am not sold on the idea that, therefore, they should not be allowed. I think we can all just live and let live eh? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) It's fascinating how we know next to nothing about Stone Shamans and they're already perceived religious extremists... Also, take a note that not all obligators were evil. Also, ardents are "basically slaves" but they're not slaves per se. And of course all Lighteyes, Houselords and Highprinces are evil. Yeah, totally. Just claim that the whole Rosharan society system is evil. EDIT: I misunderstood Nyali's comment and as the consequence my post is unecessarily aggresive. I apologize for that, but I won't be editing it as I believe everybody has the right to see what I wrote in the first place and the Shard doesn't have any way to track 'edit history'. Edited June 16, 2016 by Oversleep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Oversleep said: It's fascinating how we know next to nothing about Stone Shamans and they're already perceived religious extremists... Also, take a note that not all obligators were evil. Also, ardents are "basically slaves" but they're not slaves per se. And of course all Lighteyes, Houselords and Highprinces are evil. Yeah, totally. Just claim that the whole Rosharan society system is evil. Thank you for taking my post entirely out of context. I truly appreciate it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, CaptainRyan said: I think we can all just live and let live eh? That works for an unoffical fan site, but fans should be able to participate in the official fan site without being e.g. associated with murderous religious zealots and other offensive titles/villains. Additionally, without the reputation number, some of the titles could be mistaken for negative reputation. I know I wasn't happy about some of the early ones at the time I had them, but with the reputation number, I didn't feel the need to complain. I don't remember them off the top of my head -- is there a list of titles? The Bridgerunner one did not thrill me (thought it was tolerable), and I think there was one either before it or after it that bothered me a lot more. I'm also a bit confused why anyone would think being associated with a villainous organization, especially the more extreme ones, could not be offensive to some fans? Yes, some will find those titles cool, but is that really a good enough reason to force fans that do find the associations offensive to suffer them? More to the point, do the reputation titles represent Brandon and his official fan site well? Do they serve the goals and responsibilities of the official fan site? If said titles were dropped entirely would it hurt the site? If not, then isn't keeping them needlessly offending segments of the fan base? Is it wrong for fans to want to be able to participate in the official fansite without the negative associations? Edited June 16, 2016 by Argel Grammar, layout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 There was a lot of discussion about reputation in Upvotes and Downvotes thread, maybe we should move back there, as this topic is meant for discussion about the new layout and features. Reputation ranks are not a new feature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Mestiv said: Reputation ranks are not a new feature But how they are being displayed is a new feature. I thought I made it clear that when the level of reputation was included, the titles were tolerable. The reason my view on this has changed is specifically because of the site version 4 changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haelbarde he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 @Argel Here is a user compiled list of the rep levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Bard he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 13 hours ago, Nyali said: Here are some of the negative associations that I personally have with some of the words used as titles: Reveal hidden contents Gyorn - religious terrorist (leaders in a militaristic religious extremist movement) Wyrn - Osama bin Laden Envisager - suicidal / cultist Silent Gatherer - nazi doctor Svrakiss, Unmade, Voidbringer, Midnight Essence - demon/devil Stone Shaman - another form of religious extremist Lord Ruler - fascist Steel Inquisitor, Dakhor Monk - demonic assassin Obligator, Prelan, High Prelan, Arteth - various forms of "corrupt government official" or "religious extremist" Skaa, Bridgeman, Ardent - slave Houselord, Lighteyes, Highprince - slave owner There's nothing THAT bad there in my opinion, to be honest, besides Silent Gatherer, Envisager, and some of the Derethi ones. @Argel, you asked how I would want to be associated with those characters, and whether Sharders would be offended by the name. Well, I can only speak for me, but my personal opinion is no. I have no problem with that. For one, they're fantasy characters. At the end of the day, they're not real, and I'm not those characters. For starters, these are characters that have been written in a book that I nearly tear apart flicking pages as I read, digest, process, and analyze. And, a quintessential part of these books are the villains. Without these characters, the book wouldn't be nearly as good. So, I love these characters, not because they're good people, or because I agree with them, or because I'd like them in real life, but because they serve to make the story, the elaborate illusion that Sanderson set up, a more interesting place. That doesn't change when these titles appear next to my name. When I am a Gyorn, or a Silent Gatherer, I can still accept that these titles are labels based of a story that I enjoy. Simply because they appear next to my name doesn't change who I am, what I stand for, or how others view me. In fact, beyond maybe a couple quick posts now and again, I usually completely forget my reputation is there a lot of the time. Finally, I would ask whether you think these examples could somehow lead to offence. Is it offensive if an actor plays a villain, be it James Earl Jones as Darth Vader, Christopher Lee as Saruman, or Ralph Fiennes as Lord Voldemort, simply because they don a role, it doesn't mean they support the views of the character, or would approve of their actions. Reputation works in the same way, except it's a hardly noticeable because it will only ever appear at a post besides your name for a period of time. So no, I see no problems with the titles as they are. When I first read your argument, I thought you were saying that one or two of the titles had a real-life connotation, which happened once before (for reference, I think it was Half-Blooded, a racial slur against African Americans, which got changed to Noble-Blooded). However, I see no problem with this. I'm sorry if I'm being overly aggressive with this. If you found anything I said to be offensive, then post or PM me, and I'll rephrase my point. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 I agree with Young Bard. When I was Lord Ruler I didn't see it as "I have the rank of a fascist" it was more ULTIMATE POWERR! And silent gatherer is definitely creepy but....it's all the spirit of fun, it's all fictional characters and I personally have no issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) To be clear, in case I wasn't (which seems to be the case?), I wasn't saying that any of those titles offended me, but that I have negative associations with some of those titles. There was a question about which titles people considered negative, so I listed some, and concluded that they really aren't that bad/offensive. The only one that really bothers me personally is being called a "silent gatherer," but that's a personal thing, due to issues with harmful malpractice/negligence/discrimination from medical professionals in real life. Though, I also didn't appreciate being force-associated with militant religious extremists shortly after a religious extremist committed the largest mass shooting in US history, specifically targeting a minority I happen to belong to. That wasn't terribly comfortable, even if it's a fictional group and the association was weak. I felt that way before the change too though, but it didn't bug me until after the change with the context removed (I kinda ignored the titles before, just reading the number). I cared less a couple days later, but I wasn't personally affected by the tragedy (my cousin who lives just a mile away from the club was working at the time, and none of her LGBT friends happened to be at the club then either). I still feel that titles like these should either be clearly not user-chosen (by having the rep number or a numeric rep rank associated with them), or they should not appear on every post you make. I'd like to suggest, if you don't want to include the exact numbers, you number the ranks from 0 to N, so instead of it showing up as like "Bridgeman," it was "4 - Bridgeman" for being the fourth rank. That gives no more information than the rank itself gives, it just precludes having to check a lookup table like the one linked. It also gives just as much information to a new visitor than it does to someone who's memorized the system, rather than requiring new visitors to guess where each rank stands relative to one another. So, like, replace the rank names with the rank number followed by the rank name, like this (hidden because long): Spoiler -8 - Chasmfiend Corpse -7 - Zucchini -6 - Lamespren -5 - Rotting Chull Carcass -4 - Beheaded Inquisitioner -3 - Hoed -2 - Lifeless -1 - Negaspren 0 - Spren 1 - Darkeyes 2 - Skaa 3 - Spearman 4 - Bridgeman 5 - Noble-Blooded 6 - Awakened Object 7 - Pahn Kahl 8 - Ardent 9 - Crew Leader 10 - Noble 11 - Grand 12 - Lighteyes 13 - Obligator 14 - Idrian Monk 15 - Arteth 16 - Prelan 17 - Babsk 18 - Houselord 19 - Forescout 20 - Hazekiller 21 - Cobalt Guard 22 - Oldblood 23 - High prelan 24 - Gyorn 25 - Arbiter 26 - Misting 27 - Silent Gatherer 28 - Bloodsealer 29 - Stormwarden 30 - Ferring 31 - Artifabrian 32 - Envisager 33 - Ghostblood 34 - King's Tester 35 - Vanisher 36 - Son of Honor 37 - King's Wit 38 - lord Prelan 39 - Dakhor Monk 40 - Forger 41 - Soulcaster 42 - Shade 43 - Torturer of Heralds 44 - Svrakiss 45 - Originator 46 - Elantrian 47 - Wyrn the King 48 - Spinner 49 - Seer 50 - Shardbearer 51 - Full Shardbearer 52 - Full Feruchemist 53 - Worldbringer 54 - Highprince 55 - Truthless 56 - Sentient Awakened Object 57 - HonorSpren 58 - Cryptic 59 - Stone Shaman 60 - Scadrian Waffle Cook 61 - Returned 62 - Twinborn 63 - Kandra 64 - Radiant Squire 65 - Surgebinder 66 - So 1337 Hoid Can't Compete 67 - Compounder 68 - Kalad's Phantom 69 - Enefel 70 - Listener 71 - Midnight Essence 72 - Gerontarch 73 - Savant 74 - Rambleman 75 - Dawnsinger 76 - Taracin Superstar 77 - Mistborn 78 - Steel Inquisitor 79 - Most Ancient 80 - Knight Radiant 81 - Voidbringer 82 - Bondsmith 83 - Lerasium Mistborn 84 - Prime 85 - Dawnshard 86 - Unmade 87 - Lord Ruler 88 - God of Color 89 - Worldhopper 90 - Nightwatcher 91 - Sliver 92 - Herald 93 - Stormfather 94 - Dragon 95 - Splinter 96 - Splintered Shard 97 - Shard 98 - The Broken One 99 - The Hero of Ages 100 - Adonalsium 101 - God Beyond EDIT: Oh, and if you did use that system, if you remove one rank, the top rank (God Beyond) becomes rank number 100, which is nice and clean. The rank "so l33t hoid can't compete" doesn't really make sense without the number, and it gives the exact number in the rank name which removing the numbers was supposed to stop, so that seems like one that it might be best to remove anyway. Edited June 16, 2016 by Nyali 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) @Nyali you have my deepest sympathies. I know terror hurts like hell when it hits a community. Just because you weren't personally immediately effected doesn't mean it's not painful. If you want someone to talk to/rant at/get hugs from, my message box is always open. I see what you're saying, I thought you were suggesting changing the whole system around and renaming everything. I think numbering every single rank would look kinda clunky but I could get behind the concept. Edited June 16, 2016 by Delightful 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Delightful said: @Nyali you have my deepest sympathies. I know terror hurts like hell when it hits a community. If you want someone to talk to/rant at/get hugs from, my message box is always open. I see what you're saying, I thought you were suggesting changing the whole system around and renaming everything. I think numbering every single rank would look kinda clunky but I could get behind the concept. In an earlier post, I had suggested either putting the number back in or moving the ranks to the profile only, but I hadn't suggested renaming things or removing the system entirely. Now, I've suggested a rename, but not one that changes the actual names, just adds a number before them. Since we already have the + (and presumably a - for negative ranks), I personally wouldn't find it clunk to have a rank number follow. So, instead of appearing as "+ Gyorn" it would be "+ 25 - Gyorn" - alternatively, it might also look good to do it as "+ 25 Gyorn" without the "-", or to do "+ 25: Gyorn" or whatnot, the "-" was just one way to do it. Oh, and obviously, since we already have the +/- sign, there's no need to add a sign to the negative ones. So, Negaspren would just be "1: Negaspren" or whatnot, and would appear as "- 1: Negaspren" or whatever, whereas "1: Darkeyes" would appear as "+ 1: Darkeyes" or whatnot. Edited June 16, 2016 by Nyali 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 @Nyali I really like the rank numbering idea. There is one change I think should be made: "Darkeyes" and "Lighteyes" should be renamed to something without (or at least with much less obvious) racial prejudice connotations. "Darkeyes" made me feel uncomfortable and I was very glad to rank up above it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Argel said: @Nyali I really like the rank numbering idea. There is one change I think should be made: "Darkeyes" and "Lighteyes" should be renamed to something without (or at least with much less obvious) racial prejudice connotations. "Darkeyes" made me feel uncomfortable and I was very glad to rank up above it. While I understand where you're coming from and I'm not trying to minimize your feelings on the subject, I feel that's a separate discussion, as the actual names haven't changed from what was in use before. I believe a discussion of changing specific names should be taken to another thread, possibly this one or this one. I'm trying to keep my comments in this thread to being about changes between the old UI and the new UI, and how the new UI could be tweaked. If numbers of some sort were put back in to give context, the interface becomes essentially the same as it used to be in that regard, and any further issues with it, I feel, should be discussed separate from this topic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Well, I was asked for titles that I found offensive a couple pages back... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Nyali said: Hide contents EDIT: Oh, and if you did use that system, if you remove one rank, the top rank (God Beyond) becomes rank number 100, which is nice and clean. The rank "so l33t hoid can't compete" doesn't really make sense without the number, and it gives the exact number in the rank name which removing the numbers was supposed to stop, so that seems like one that it might be best to remove anyway. Actually, it has been heavily implied that there is at least one rank above God Beyond. So. I tried to post from mobile today. It...didn't work. I'm not sure why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyali she/her Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Well, since it's sounding like there's no plans to actually change or hide rep, here's the uBlock code for blocking the reputation ranks from appearing: ##.ipsColumn_medium.ipsColumn.cAuthorPane.ipsComment_author > .ipsType_break.ipsType_blendLinks.cAuthorPane_author.ipsType_sectionHead > .ipsResponsive_inline.ipsResponsive_showPhone > .ipsRepBadge_positive.ipsRepBadge Doesn't help new visitors and still makes me look like I support things I don't, but whatever, at least I don't have to see it anymore xD EDIT: The above is only for the mobile version (when you shrink the screen enough and the site becomes usable and pretty again). If you're using the full browser version with the enormous and garish logo up top, try this to hide all rep ranks: ##.ipsColumn_medium.ipsColumn.cAuthorPane.ipsComment_author > .ipsList_reset.cAuthorPane_info > .ipsResponsive_hidePhone:nth-of-type(3) > .ipsRepBadge_positive.ipsRepBadge Edited June 17, 2016 by Nyali 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I am still having a difficult time thinking that a random browser would look at these titles and say, "Wow clearly that guy is a religious zealot" or something. All they would need to do is scroll and they would see there are various reputation titles and it isn't user chosen. I think making the leap into thinking that people will think less of someone with some titles is rather paranoid. It seems extremely unlikely. The titles are chosen like relative magical power level. Steel Inquisitor will absolutely be a title, as will Lord Ruler. They are just fun, cool things. I also don't think that lighteyes/darkeyes are offensive. We should not get offended about fictional racial distinctions. I guess it is fine if you want to be offended by that, but, it's fiction. As for Derethi or Steel Ministry titles, they may have negative connotation because of our perspective of the heroes we read in the books, but certainly not all of those people in said groups were evil. That would be an exaggeration. And more importantly, I'm pretty sure if people had a Prelan title, a browser isn't going to say, "Wow, what a jerk, that guy is a Steel Ministry supporter. Screw that guy in particular." No one in their right mind would make such illogical leaps. We are considering having a hover over to display the rep total over the titles. I would also like to mention again that removing the number from posts was a frequent suggestion in the last two rep discussions as ways to improve the system, and I was persuaded by them. The discussion kind of had already been done a while ago. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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