asterion137 he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Could any misting become a compounder by getting a universal metalmind, and then swallowing and burning it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Probably. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4087-shared-compounding/page-3#entry88517 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 It's probably how BoM Spoiler: The Southern have so much Feruchemical Charge in their metalminds, remember how full was the GoldMind Wax found. They may have very few Misting, but thanks to the Medallion Tecnology they may create Universal metalmind pretty easily for compounding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 You do need a way for the burner to store the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 If he can tap it, he can store it. There is no way a person can tap a metalmind and not be able to store it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) If he can tap it, he can store it. There is no way a person can tap a metalmind and not be able to store it. Well Oversleep there is a way to be able to tap but not store (but it's quite useless). We know the Southern know a trick to make you appear to the metalmind like if you have the right power (it's the method used to tap Nicrosil and obtain the full Ferring power of a Medallion). But if you apply this trick to another Metalmind (not Nicrosil) you will obtain a Metalmind where you may tap but don't store (if the Identity is right of it is a null-Intentity Metalmind. Edited April 23, 2016 by Yata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) BoM spoilers: I thought that by the act of tapping Nicrosil you obtain the right power (albeit only for the time of tapping Nicrosil) to be able to tap another metalmind. Since you have the power, you're also able to store.For the time of tapping the Nicrosil in the medallion you can use the powers that were stored in it. Traditionally these are the powers to use other metalminds which make up the medallion.EDIT: Aaaa, you're specifically talking about the Nicrosil trick? We don't know how it works, however. Yeah, it's really curious how they make unsealed nicrosilminds (Note: unsealed, not unkeyed). How do they make the non-Soulbearers able to tap Nicrosil? Edited April 23, 2016 by Oversleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Yeah I am talking exacly of that trick but used on any other metal instead than the one whe saw. We know very little (well nothing to be honest) but in the end It has some applications... For example to prevent someone to "dirt" a Unkeyed Metalmind with some Identity-keyed Feruchemical Charge, or simply because you don't want someone to obtain something from store attributes. Ex: A "medical" Goldmind, you don't want a child get killed just because it's used a Goldmind in the wrong way. Or to prevent people to commit suicide through Feruchemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The augur isn't tapping the goldmind, he is burning it. He doesn't have any feruchemical powers, but because the goldmind isn't locked he can compound the health stored in it, but because he doesn't have the power to store or tap it he will just gain a giant burst of health. Of course, nicrosil could give him the feruchemical power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 The augur isn't tapping the goldmind, he is burning it. He doesn't have any feruchemical powers, but because the goldmind isn't locked he can compound the health stored in it, but because he doesn't have the power to store or tap it he will just gain a giant burst of health. Of course, nicrosil could give him the feruchemical power. Well He may just burn the metalmind at low rate to save to don't waste the charge...nothing stop you from keep a metalmind inside of your body and burning only when needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Well He may just burn the metalmind at low rate to save to don't waste the charge...nothing stop you from keep a metalmind inside of your body and burning only when needed That's true, and IIRC gold doesn't react with anything, so it wouldn't be dangerous to keep it in your body, and we have a confirmation that spikes can be burned, as long as they aren't charged. Q. Several of my friends play the Mistborn tabletop game, and we have a question, so, if you want to burn a metal Allomantically do you actually have to ingest it, or can it just be in your bloodstream, or-? A. If it gets in there somehow, you can use it. Q. So you can inhale something, or inject something … what about spikes? Could you like burn a spike that was-? A. Yes, you could, but not if it’s Hemalurgically placed or Hemalurgically charged. But otherwise yes. If it gets in you--I almost wrote a scene where someone got stabbed through the chest and they burned it. The problem is your metal also has to be of the right allomantic alloy. (Philly signing, 3/22/2014) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Actually this seems like a really good way to take advantage of gnats since they can help fill lots of unkeyed duralumin/aluminum metalminds with compounding. Some kind of "metalmind pill" doesn't seem that hard to manufacture (really just 2 pieces of metal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter he/him Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Well... Well Oversleep there is a way to be able to tap but not store (but it's quite useless). We know the Southern know a trick to make you appear to the metalmind like if you have the right power (it's the method used to tap Nicrosil and obtain the full Ferring power of a Medallion). But if you apply this trick to another Metalmind (not Nicrosil) you will obtain a Metalmind where you may tap but don't store (if the Identity is right of it is a null-Intentity Metalmind. well...maybe I'm wrong (or not understanding the issue) but...the reason that people can tap investiture from and unkeyed nicrosil mind, but can't store it, is that they have no investiture to store. If you are an ordinary person who gets an unkeyed nicrosil mind, gold mind, and iron mind...you can tap nicrosil to gain the ability to use those two other powers, which lets you tap or store health and weight (because you have health and weight to store) but you can't store more of those two feruchimal abilities, because you don't have them. Edited April 28, 2016 by hoidhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well... well...maybe I'm wrong (or not understanding the issue) but...the reason that people can tap investiture from and unkeyed nicrosil mind, but can't store it, is that they have no investiture to store. If you are an ordinary person who gets an unkeyed nicrosil mind, gold mind, and iron mind...you can tap nicrosil to gain the ability to use those two other powers, which lets you tap or store health and weight (because you have health and weight to store) but you can't store more of those two feruchimal abilities, because you don't have them. The issue is, how can they tap the unkeyed nicrosilmind in the first place? Tapping other unkeyed metalminds is possible because you have the required powers by virtue of tapping nicrosil... But how are you tapping nicrosil if you're not a Soulbearer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 We have no idea how to hack a magic system, of which this is an example of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (I will try to avoid spoiler or this topic will became just a long list of Spoiler tag XD) @hoidhunter Like Oversleep said the problem is in the first step, the one who gives..through the use of the right metal, the ability to do the everything else. Mister Sanderson said there is a trick to allow this first step and I will argue that using that trick only with others metals it possible to create Metalminds with only "tapping" avaliable (well of course there is some exception to "only tapping") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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