Voidbringing woman

[Nyali she/her]

I could have sworn the Vorin religion did the safe hand to first prevent women from using shardblades, and then a woman wrote the book that divided the masculine arts from the feminine. 

 

I'm pretty sure Brandon has RAFOed the origin of the safehand/freehand thing. He's said that there's a thing that led to it, or a thing that inspired it, or something, but he hasn't ever said why to my knowledge. My understanding is that when we find out more about the history of Roshar, we'll see something and go "Oh! That's why Vorin women started covering one hand!" but he doesn't want us to not have that moment of epiphany.

 

 

EDIT: Aha, found it: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=697#2. In summary, he says that there are several reasons why the tradition started, and ONE of them was the book. But, there's more to it than that.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Nyali

[Pathfinder]

I'm pretty sure Brandon has RAFOed the origin of the safehand/freehand thing. He's said that there's a thing that led to it, or a thing that inspired it, or something, but he hasn't ever said why to my knowledge. My understanding is that when we find out more about the history of Roshar, we'll see something and go "Oh! That's why Vorin women started covering one hand!" but he doesn't want us to not have that moment of epiphany.

 

 

EDIT: Aha, found it: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=697#2. In summary, he says that there are several reasons why the tradition started, and ONE of them was the book. But, there's more to it than that.

Then I believe there is a more recent WoB, because I do recall him specifying the shardblade and safe hand association. I suck at looking up WoB, but will endeavor to locate it for you. 

 

found it:

http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27shardblade%27

 

LEINTON

Oh something I forgot to mention when I went over my Q/A session with Brandon.

Someone else's question was about the safehand and Brandon gave new information on it.

BRANDON SANDERSON

So that essay he told us about? The one that defined masculine arts as being ones with two hands and feminine needing only one? That was in order to let men secure power over Shardblades.

 

I will look further because the WoB I am thinking of I believe expanded on this. Hopefully I can find it

edit2: Yeah can't find it. Wish there was a place where I could do like my kindle. Type in a word or combination of words, and then it shows everytime said words come up. There is theoryland, but it is far from extensive. I am tried searching the forums, but that is also problematic. Ah well, so either it is difficult to find, or I am remembering incorrectly. 

Edited April 14, 2016 by Pathfinder

[Argel he/him]

I could swear I just read one where he said he wasn't planning to say in the books, but that he could tell us it was because (paraphrasing of course) shardblades were just as easy to wield by women as men, and so it was to maintain the power balance.

[Rasarr she/her]

*a wild tinfoil hat theory appears!*

 

Regarding OP's question of who the woman on "voidbringing" chart is, I've just got this weird thought. What if it's Dalinar's wife? We know from all the RAFO's that she might be more significant than simply being Dalinar's Lost Lenore. She's blonde-haired, as evidenced by Adolin's fashionable mop, and being married to an Alethi like Dalinar would force her to cover her safehand.

 

I know it's kind of evidence-lacking and completely off-the-wall thought, but stranger things were conceived on the Shard.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Rasarr

[DreamEternal]

*a wild tinfoil hat theory appears!*

Ha! I proposed that before! I also speculated she was the Nightwatcher, so double tinfoil! Outcrazy that, I dare you. Edited April 14, 2016 by DreamEternal

[Oversleep]

Ha! I proposed that before! I also speculated she was the Nightwatcher, so double tinfoil! Outcrazy that, I dare you.

And she's also Vivenna, who had to leave Dalinar to become Nightwatcher, that's why he thinks he went to Nightwatcher. But actually, the previous Nightwatcher was taken over by Vivenna and curses, which are neurotypical in nature are just a result of Vivenna taking the Breath of the person asking for the boon in exchange for granting the wish. Since Rosharans don't have an easily detachable part of the soul, it creates problems which are those neurotypical problems, known as these so-called curses.

Vivenna needs all those Breaths to check whether there is an Eleventh Heightening to make a better Nightblood.

Outcrazy that.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Oversleep

[The Invested Beard]

And she's also Vivenna, who had to leave Dalinar to become Nightwatcher, that's why he thinks he went to Nightwatcher. But actually, the previous Nightwatcher was taken over by Vivenna and curses, which are neurotypical in nature are just a result of Vivenna taking the Breath of the person asking for the boon in exchange for granting the wish. Since Rosharans don't have an easily detachable part of the soul, it creates problems which are those neurotypical problems, known as these so-called curses.

Vivenna needs all those Breaths to check whether there is an Eleventh Heightening to make a better Nightblood.

Outcrazy that.

 

I don't think I can.

[DreamEternal]

And she's also Vivenna, who had to leave Dalinar to become Nightwatcher, that's why he thinks he went to Nightwatcher. But actually, the previous Nightwatcher was taken over by Vivenna and curses, which are neurotypical in nature are just a result of Vivenna taking the Breath of the person asking for the boon in exchange for granting the wish. Since Rosharans don't have an easily detachable part of the soul, it creates problems which are those neurotypical problems, known as these so-called curses.

Vivenna needs all those Breaths to check whether there is an Eleventh Heightening to make a better Nightblood.

Outcrazy that.

Please, we all know she would need hemalurgy to steal parts of Rosharan spiritwebs. And the only groups not linked to Harmony that we know of with knowledge of the Dark Art are the 17th Shard and the Set, one of which avoids intervention.

That is right, Vivenna is part of the Set, and wants to use those fake Breaths to take over the world with a high-tech Lifeless Army before either the Radiants or the Voidbringers get too far to be controlled.

Good enough?

Edited April 14, 2016 by DreamEternal

[Oversleep]

Please, we all know she would need hemalurgy to steal parts of Rosharan spiritwebs. And the only groups not linked to Harmony that we know of with knowledge of the Dark Art are the 17th Shard and the Set, one of which avoids intervention.

That is right, Vivenna is part of the Set, and wants to use those fake Breaths to take over the world with a high-tech Lifeless Army before either the Radiants or the Voidbringers get too far to be controlled.

Good enough?

THEORYBREAKER AWAKENS! There is no evidence of people who went to Nightwatcher having holes in their bodies! Got you there!

My theory is perfectly consistent (aka "not in conflict at this moment") with the canon, while your assumption of being part of the Set isn't. Also, raising a Lifeless Army is just recycling my "making a new Nightblood" goal. You have to go crazier.

[DreamEternal]

THEORYBREAKER AWAKENS! There is no evidence of people who went to Nightwatcher having holes in their bodies! Got you there!

Nalan uses a regrowth fabrial. It is super effective.

My theory is perfectly consistent (aka "not in conflict at this moment") with the canon.

So is mine! The only known way of removing parts of people's spiritwebs other than true Breaths is through HEMALURGY.

Edited April 15, 2016 by DreamEternal

[Rasarr she/her]

*reads the unfolding craziness*

Wellp, I've started this.

 

[Erunion he/him]

And she's also Vivenna, who had to leave Dalinar to become Nightwatcher, that's why he thinks he went to Nightwatcher. But actually, the previous Nightwatcher was taken over by Vivenna and curses, which are neurotypical in nature are just a result of Vivenna taking the Breath of the person asking for the boon in exchange for granting the wish. Since Rosharans don't have an easily detachable part of the soul, it creates problems which are those neurotypical problems, known as these so-called curses.

Vivenna needs all those Breaths to check whether there is an Eleventh Heightening to make a better Nightblood.

Outcrazy that.

 

*puts on aluminum foil hat*

 

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. That explains why Adolin/Renarin's hair is so blonde and fancy! 

It also explains why Vasher likes and gets along so well with Dalinar and his kids! Because they're ALSO Vivenna's kids! And he was getting along well with Vivenna!

 

 

I buy this crazy. It's good crazy.

 

 

In all seriousness: We know Vivenna went off with Vasher at the end of Warbreaker. We know Vasher (eventually) ended up on Roshar. Do you think Vivenna went with him? It's within the realms of possibility, and mad speculation (at least until warbreaker 2 comes out....)

[Oversleep]

On 15.04.2016 at 7:24 PM, Erunion said:

*puts on aluminum foil hat*

 

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. That explains why Adolin/Renarin's hair is so blonde and fancy! 

It also explains why Vasher likes and gets along so well with Dalinar and his kids! Because they're ALSO Vivenna's kids! And he was getting along well with Vivenna!

 

 

I buy this crazy. It's good crazy.

 

 

In all seriousness: We know Vivenna went off with Vasher at the end of Warbreaker. We know Vasher (eventually) ended up on Roshar. Do you think Vivenna went with him? It's within the realms of possibility, and mad speculation (at least until warbreaker 2 comes out....)

You know what? I'm making it into full fledged, crazy theory.
Edit: and I did.

Edited July 2, 2016 by Oversleep