hoidhunter he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I guess at this point...without an in world reference or a quote from Brandon confirming the possibility...we can say that it is possible, as far as we know. Just out of curiosity...what makes you say easily? It seems that, were it possible, it would still be quite the involved process...
natc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) We then run into the problem of, if it's in fact mostly submerged, how large would it have to be underneath to put at least an entire village and a dense mini-forest on its back? Plus, TenSoon had to eat a pig to become big enough to engulf a horse, so if we assume that kandra can work inside out due to the exoskeleton it'll probably need initial mass equal to at least the breathing apparatus, digestive tracks, etc. If engulfing whole is necessary then we have the serious problem of swallowing an island-sized crustacean. Which brings us back to engulfing a chasmfiend's insides. Edited March 10, 2016 by natc
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Author Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) "The dark mound—perhaps ten feet tall and twice as long—lurched forward in a strange, shuffling gait, and Vin leaned forward, trying to get a better look." - Mistborn: The Final Empire Without any blessings or intelligence an average mistwraith reached 10 feet in height eating nothing but what the barren final empire has to offer. Now imagine you have an intelligent Kandra being fed some soulcast food and you think it'd be impossible for him to do 5 times better? When Tensoon becomes a dog he is amazed by the increased senses he gets from the bones. the DNA in a Chasm fiend might even give the Kandra the ability to use a gemheart the same way Tensoon can smell better as a dog. It's easy for the Kandra. Easy Breezy. Edited March 10, 2016 by Bryce Carmony 1
natc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Ten feet isn't all that spectacular honestly. Earth-life-achievable even with organs. Smaller than a seismosaurus is long. Most of that is neck and tail, of course, but that's a lot of blood to pump vertically, that heart is no slouch. The body is probably about that mound in size if a bit bigger, with organs. We're assuming a lot about a species we know nothing about here, really. I don't doubt they can reach that size, but would that just crush the Tai-na? Frankly what I'm bothered with here is how you describe replicating a dozens-of-tons, small island sized creature as "easy". Sounds like a major pain even if it works. Also senses are biological, the issue is gemheart and spren. The original gemheart would probably function, but cognitive lifeforms might not be fooled by a clearly sapient and calculating mind existing in place of a giant animal, with a completely alien spiritweb to boot. Edited March 10, 2016 by natc 1
Voidus Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 "The dark mound—perhaps ten feet tall and twice as long—lurched forward in a strange, shuffling gait, and Vin leaned forward, trying to get a better look." - Mistborn: The Final Empire Without any blessings or intelligence an average mistwraith reached 10 feet in height eating nothing but what the barren final empire has to offer. Now imagine you have an intelligent Kandra being fed some soulcast food and you think it'd be impossible for him to do 5 times better? When Tensoon becomes a dog he is amazed by the increased senses he gets from the bones. the DNA in a Chasm fiend might even give the Kandra the ability to use a gemheart the same way Tensoon can smell better as a dog. It's easy for the Kandra. Easy Breezy. They also look like horrific abominations, the problem with giant sized creatures tends to be that if you want them to be self-supporting they need to look like that, misshapen blobs with huge amounts of muscle to heave themselves around. That also took a mistwraith its entire life, to say that one could eat something a dozen times larger than that might be a bit of a stretch.
Pathfinder Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) We then run into the problem of, if it's in fact mostly submerged, how large would it have to be underneath to put at least an entire village and a dense mini-forest on its back? Plus, TenSoon had to eat a pig to become big enough to engulf a horse, so if we assume that kandra can work inside out due to the exoskeleton it'll probably need initial mass equal to at least the breathing apparatus, digestive tracks, etc. If engulfing whole is necessary then we have the serious problem of swallowing an island-sized crustacean. Which brings us back to engulfing a chasmfiend's insides. Not weighing in one way or the other, but just pointing out the reference with the pig is incorrect. He did not eat the pig to gain enough mass to be able to eat the horse. He ate the pig first so he had the added mass to, when he ate the horse, could make a musculature far greater than the horse had to begin with. This made it possible for him to plow through the ash mounds and still maintain a decent speed. So the pig was just to be able to make a horse on steroids, not a prerequisite to be able to eat a horse at all. Edited March 10, 2016 by Pathfinder
natc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Ah, thanks for that. Still gotta actually swallow the thing at once though, surely. Doing it in bits sounds inaccurate. Edited March 10, 2016 by natc
Pathfinder Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Ah, thanks for that. Still gotta actually swallow the thing at once though, surely. Doing it in bits sounds inaccurate. But as the kandra eats it, it will only taste better as it rots more and more lol
Titan Arum Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I would have to say that NO, a Kandra could not replicate a chasmfield, based upon a recent WoB at the San Antonio Calamity signing: Q: Can a kandra duplicate a parshendi carapace?A: No, they cannot. I'd assume that carapace is pretty similar to exoskeloton (even if Parshendi have internal bones). So if it can't even replicate a man-sized Parshendi, then a chasmfield would be impossible. However, given the recent severe misunderstanding of another WoB from this same signing and the fact that this is not verbatim and from memory...maybe we take this with a grain of salt?
Pathfinder Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I would have to say that NO, a Kandra could not replicate a chasmfield, based upon a recent WoB at the San Antonio Calamity signing: I'd assume that carapace is pretty similar to exoskeloton (even if Parshendi have internal bones). So if it can't even replicate a man-sized Parshendi, then a chasmfield would be impossible. However, given the recent severe misunderstanding of another WoB from this same signing and the fact that this is not verbatim and from memory...maybe we take this with a grain of salt? That quote is faulty. All that is saying is that a kandra can't break down the carapace and create their own like they can with muscle and tissue. Carapace is made of similar or in some cases the same stuff as bone, which kandra can't replicate either yet they can take human form fine.
Jondesu he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I would have to say that NO, a Kandra could not replicate a chasmfield, based upon a recent WoB at the San Antonio Calamity signing: I'd assume that carapace is pretty similar to exoskeloton (even if Parshendi have internal bones). So if it can't even replicate a man-sized Parshendi, then a chasmfield would be impossible. However, given the recent severe misunderstanding of another WoB from this same signing and the fact that this is not verbatim and from memory...maybe we take this with a grain of salt? A better question would be whether a kandra could impersonate a Parshendi, using the Parshendi's existing carapace like they would their bones. That would be pretty much the same thing on an obviously much smaller scale. jW 1
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Author Posted March 10, 2016 The reason a Kandra can't duplicate carapace just like they can't duplicate bones
Jondesu he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 The reason a Kandra can't duplicate carapace just like they can't duplicate bones Most of us aren't questioning that. The question is whether they could use the carapace like they use the bones, and have it on the outside but still attached/controlled. I see no reason they couldn't, since that's not really much different than hair or nails, which we know they can use. jW
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Author Posted March 11, 2016 Most of us aren't questioning that. The question is whether they could use the carapace like they use the bones, and have it on the outside but still attached/controlled. I see no reason they couldn't, since that's not really much different than hair or nails, which we know they can use. jW Titan is using this line of thought to say a Kendra can't become a shell beast. Read the whole thread
natc Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 He said "most of us", so he definitely did read the whole thread. He only quoted you when you restated a point that has already been established. Twice. 1
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Author Posted March 11, 2016 He said "most of us", so he definitely did read the whole thread. He only quoted you when you restated a point that has already been established. Twice. So let's just agree a Kandra could easily become a ta-nai
natc Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 . . . again with the "easily". And why are we going back to that?
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Author Posted March 11, 2016 . . . again with the "easily". And why are we going back to that? Because it's what Kandra do. just like it's easy for fish to swim
natc Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 There's swimming, and there's swimming upstream. It's like we're still ignoring all these potential complications that are only solved by maybes.
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Author Posted March 11, 2016 There's swimming, and there's swimming upstream. It's like we're still ignoring all these potential complications that are only solved by maybes. You're going to feel pretty silly when you're reading SA10 and Kandra fiends are commonly used against void bringers.
natc Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 . . . nobody is saying it won't work anymore you know. It's just the "easy" part. And speaking of, reproducing Tai-na sounds very impractical for warfare over the much smaller chasmfiends. 1
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 11, 2016 Author Posted March 11, 2016 . . . nobody is saying it won't work anymore you know. It's just the "easy" part. And speaking of, reproducing Tai-na sounds very impractical for warfare over the much smaller chasmfiends. I'm just yankin your chain at this point. did you check out my Cosmere quiz at www.eloeverything.com ? I promise you non of my crazy ideas are voiced as facts I only parsed out the most definitive truths from the coppermind.
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