theory [Bands Spoiler] Identity of the One-Eye Spike Man

[natc]

I doubt a man recorded in the Words of Founding themselves to have survived death and held the power of Ascension is an agent of Ruin, yeah . . .

Marasi specifically brings this up back in SoS. Harmony actually wrote this out in the pile of books.

[Stoic0209]

My theory is that the guy is in fact, a Kandra. Remember that Kelsier's original body was eaten and used by kandra previously?

 

Not quite sure how to explain the eye spike though, but a kandra would be immortal, would be controlled by Harmony, and are masters of pretending to be someone else.

[Dirigible]

I think 'The Sovereign' is both Kelsier and Spook. The scars clearly point toward Kelsier, but I think there's more to the situation than just that.

 

When Allik is describing 'the Sovereign' for the first time, he says (page 325)

 

The Sovereign was our king from three centuries ago. He told us he was your king first. And your god.

 

Kelsier was never their king, but Spook was. It doesn't make sense that Kelsier would lie about that; there doesn't seem to be a benefit from saying that.

 

Also,

Secret History Spoilers:

Kelsier was god for a time, while Spook wasn't. But together, they were king and god.

 

Kelsier wanted to come back, and to do that he worked with Spook. He convinced Harmony to make Spook a Mistborn. Kelsier seems fine with Hemalurgy, and Spook clearly thought it was fine from the book he wrote.

 

I think that they couldn't find a way to bring Kelsier back completely, so they sort of merged him with Spook and together they went to S. Scadrial.

[Natans he/him]

Just adding fuel in the discussion =)

M: Secret History spoiler =)

I'm in that the Sovereign are Kelsier train.

How he did't we don't know, but by what I remember of Cosmere cure power theory, when someone cures himself (in the most extremes case at least) he are, in true, returning his body to a previous "cognition state" or the be more precise he return his body to the "cognitive image that he had of himself" or some such.

This is very peculiar because it can create a situation where one person is able to cure a serious wound but not a little one if that little wound are part of the image that he had of himself. Ex: Kaladin, until now, wasn't able to cure his forehead scar. And Lopen, that in my eyes have a very strong image of himself was a being a complete and functional was able to cure a lost arm in his childhood. AUTO IMAGE are everything here.

The scar in the Sovereign arms are, to me, a indicative that Kelsier when hijacked the physical realm did't using a similar method, and the auto image of his arms being scared carried over to new "new body".

I suspect that they used hermalurgy in a dead body to connect Kelsier cognitive self with this body, and when this body received Kelsier cognitive and spiritual webs, the body "turned" in the image that Kelsier had of himself minus the spikes he used to bind everything together. Kind a forgery, the new body react to make sense of the new cognitive aspect.

Well this is my opinion at least=)

Edited January 31, 2016 by Natans

[Asperity he/him]

I really wonder if maybeKelsier has any connection to the Survival Shard. I remember that it isn't Invested on a planet and we don't know the name of its holder. Kelsier is the most opportune Surviver of the whole Cosmere, that we know of. Then again, he isn't so much into hiding, while the Shard is. Eh, just a quick thought.

[RShara she/her]

I don't know that there's an actual Survivor Shard.  There is a shard that is not invested in a planet that just wants to survive, but that doesn't mean that is its intent.  It could be any number of things, including Cowardice

[Asperity he/him]

I don't know that there's an actual Survivor Shard.  There is a shard that is not invested in a planet that just wants to survive, but that doesn't mean that is its intent.  It could be any number of things, including Cowardice

Oh I know. Survival Shard is what it is referred to on Coppermind, so I rolled with that.

 

Also realized I misspelled Survivor. Oh me.

[FaeMofo]

It said that Mr One Spike (as he shall now be known) has scars on his arms, which means its either Kelsier or Zane.

 

It has to be Kelsier, without a doubt.

[Voidus]

It said that Mr One Spike (as he shall now be known) has scars on his arms, which means its either Kelsier or Zane.

 

It has to be Kelsier, without a doubt.

Or anyone who wanted to impersonate either, or anyone else who wanted some Atium and knew where it was.

[Full Metal Rithmatist]

Im almost inclined to think hes some kind of schizophrenic TLR/Kelsier hybrid.

 

Only having the one eye spiked almost gives a weird impression of having 2 halves/faces to me and he does seem to have not only become fullborn but also posesses all of TLRs knowledge on how the arts work.

 

Ofc he could of got that off harmony but hey.

[RShara she/her]

It said that Mr One Spike (as he shall now be known) has scars on his arms, which means its either Kelsier or Zane.

 

It has to be Kelsier, without a doubt.

 

Can we call him Mr. T instead?  Because a spike kinda looks like a T, right?  Right?

[Mael he/him]

Can we call him Mr. T instead?  Because a spike kinda looks like a T, right?  Right?

Nah, we can't call him Mr. T. There wasn't anything in his description about wearing massive gold chain necklaces and he didn't say anything about "hammer time".

 

But seriously, we already call Taravangian Mr. T. It would get confusing if we called One Eye Spike Man Mr. T. Why don't we just call him Spike on a count of that fact that we only know of the one hemalurgic spike in his eye?

Edited January 31, 2016 by Mael

[Voidus]

What do you call a survivor who's lost one eye?
Survvor.

Voidus makes no apologies for the terribleness of this joke.

[Landis963 he/him]

What do you call a survivor who's lost one eye?

Survvor.

Voidus makes no apologies for the terribleness of this joke.

 

But can he run Minecraft?  

[RShara she/her]

What do you call a survivor who's lost one eye?

Survvor.

Voidus makes no apologies for the terribleness of this joke.

I snorted soda up my nose.  Thanks!

[Senor Feesh]

The real question is if any of those are compatible with a Kindle. I know Kobo is not, I strongly suspect iBooks is for apple devices only. Are Google Play ebooks able to be placed onto a Kindle?

 

If not I'm stuck waiting until Amazon gets their rust straight. Cause I do not want to read even a novella on my phone or desktop.

 

Get Calibre. It lets you reformat stuff to .amz

[The Ninja Yodeler he/him]

My theory is that the guy is in fact, a Kandra. Remember that Kelsier's original body was eaten and used by kandra previously?

 

Not quite sure how to explain the eye spike though, but a kandra would be immortal, would be controlled by Harmony, and are masters of pretending to be someone else.

I had the same idea. Thought "why couldn't a kandra just use his bones, then spike em with Kels mind." Don't know if thats possible though. I keep thinking there would be a problem with an already formed Kandra taking the mind of another. Which we've heard doesn't produce a great reaction. Maybe use a mistwraith that had no spikes, so it wouldn't go insane. But yeah, the spiked eye is a mystery to me.

[Oathbringer he/him]

1. It cannot be the Lord Ruler--the removal of his bracers caused massive aging and death. Also he wasn't exactly charitable..

2. Could be Kelsier, it is obvious given the clues: the scars, "Survive", etc. The only issue is p 325--was Kelsier ever king? However, if a part of cognitive Kelsier was with Spook while he was the Lord Mistborn then that could be technically true.

3. Spook: Unlikely he was never god (p325).

[Chaos he/him]

Post Secret History spoilers in the Secret History board. Spoiler tags are not sufficient, as per http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/bands-of-mourning-release-spoiler-policies-mi-r247

[Mael he/him]

Post Secret History spoilers in the Secret History board. Spoiler tags are not sufficient, as per http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/bands-of-mourning-release-spoiler-policies-mi-r247

My apologies Chaos, I made an incorrect assumption about the spoiler policy that I should have checked on before posting that. It won't happen again.

To get back on topic, I think One Spike Man is Kelsier using a body that was regrown for him by a kandra. We saw MeLaan fix up Marasai easily enough by creating new tissue for her, what's keeping TenSoon from doing the same with Kel's bones? Assuming TenSoon can regain equal mass to what he would lose doing so anyways

Edited February 1, 2016 by Mael

[natc]

We might as well just go with "Sovereign" as he was first introduced before Wax started assuming he was the Lord Ruler and began calling him that.

Rolls off the tongue better than One Spike Man honestly. And doesn't make him sound like a certain guy who is a hero for fun and defeats enemies with just one punch.

Edited February 2, 2016 by natc

[Aiel Heart]

I've not read the Novella yet, but I'm surprised people think one-eye is Spook. Given the epilogue of BoM, it's quite obvious that the one-eyed man is Kelsier.

Didn't read the whole thread as I'm binge-skimming as much as possible before I pass out, but this. It's so Kelsier

 

Need to read the novella still

[Knotai]

From Alloy of Law annotations, chapter 17:

 

 

 

 "Kelsier is still around, by the way."

[JosephOfHathsin he/him]

On a sidenote, we never found out what happened to Walin, the survivor that Kelsier saves the nigh the destroyed the Pits. He would surely have the same scars hmm?

[Windrunner he/him]

If we're looking for all possibilities, remember that scarring oneself is a sign of devotion to the the Survivor.

Clamps looked very disturbed, and he scratched at the scars on his neck. He was a Survivorist, his scars a mark of devotion. Tarson just yawned a wide, gray-lipped yawn, then cracked his knuckles.

We don't know when this tradition started, but perhaps if it was fairly early Kelsier could have possessed the body of a zealot willing to give up control over his own body in service of the Survivor.