TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted December 27, 2015 Author Posted December 27, 2015 How about if it is directly from an Epic, it doesn't affect him, but if it is indirect, he has to know what power(s) made it happen. Not necessarily which Epics, just the power. He difference between the tank and the minion is that the minion is indirect, and presumably Neutrality doesn't know that the Epic is mind-controlling the guy. Also, I find it funny that nobody is asking about Mugshot. Mugshot's powers are very straightforward. Neutrality's are kind of confusing and borderline OP.
Kobold King he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Mugshot's powers are very straightforward. Neutrality's are kind of confusing and borderline OP. I'd hesitate to say that, since I'm well aware that the same things could be said of Deathwish and I'd hate to be a hypocrite. But I find the distinction between Epic-caused damages and damages that may-or-may not have been caused by Epics rather confusing.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted December 27, 2015 Author Posted December 27, 2015 I'd hesitate to say that, since I'm well aware that the same things could be said of Deathwish and I'd hate to be a hypocrite. But I find the distinction between Epic-caused damages and damages that may-or-may not have been caused by Epics rather confusing. That's where I'm getting the OP vibes. Deathwish's powers are clear: if it draws blood, it's reflected. With Neutrality, almost anything could bounce off of him, depending on what loophole is in play.
STINK he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 No idea what Deathwish's powers are, but does Deathwish have any offensive abilities?
Stormgate he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 That's where I'm getting the OP vibes. Deathwish's powers are clear: if it draws blood, it's reflected. With Neutrality, almost anything could bounce off of him, depending on what loophole is in play. They go through him. Sorry to be nit picky, but the difference can be important with Epics involved.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted December 27, 2015 Author Posted December 27, 2015 They go through him. Sorry to be nit picky, but the difference can be important with Epics involved. But when? It doesn't much matter to me if the attacks bounce off, go through, or turn into hamsters when they touch his skin, so long as there's a hard-and-fast rule about when the attacks do that and why.
STINK he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Could implement the 'Intent' system on his neutralisation.
Voidus Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 This is highly unlikely*, but if a weather epic's powers indirectly cause storms and he is later hit by a hailstone that only exists as an indirect effect of that epic, will it hurt him? *Then again, anyone liking Nighthound is highly unlikely, and he has a sociopathic fan club. Yeah the direct vs. indirect power usage is my main nitpicky moment. I just really can't see an Epic having immunity to indirect actions of Epic powers. Especially things like getting shot by a mind-controlled Vanilla since it's not even a secondary action of the Epic power it's tertiary. (Mind controlling is the primary act, the Vanilla's body is the secondary, the gun is not being affected by the Epics powers at all it's being affected by the Vanilla who is being affected by the powers and Neutrality would be being affected by the gun) It also leads to some pretty big problems in terms of scope, one primary concern for me is that earthquake Epics are a very real thing and they effect entire tectonic plates which means that technically the whole earth has been affected by Epic powers at this point which means he should logically not be able to walk on dirt or stone since he'd fall through it. I'd hesitate to say that, since I'm well aware that the same things could be said of Deathwish and I'd hate to be a hypocrite. But I find the distinction between Epic-caused damages and damages that may-or-may not have been caused by Epics rather confusing. For me it's less an issue of OPness (We have Epics whose PI is so strong that there's basically nothing that can be done to them, Deathwish actually has one of the more easily avoidable PIs) and more an issue of spiralling consequences. I mean really pretty much everything on the planet has now at some point been effected by Epic powers so does that make him just an intangible? 1
Stormgate he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Okay, I'm going to drop the indirect part. However, Fortuity still can't hit him without aiming.
Aonar he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Speaking of terribly OP Epics, this is an idea I had earlier today: Magnetar: Primary Power: Magnetic Field Generation. Magnetar can generate extremely powerful (upwards of 10^10 tesla), but highly unstable (lasting for a few milliseconds at most before they've decayed away to nothing) magnetic fields. This field is centred on him. Secondary. Invulnerability. (Steelheart level. Nothing can harm him, period.) I thought this could be a cool theoretical Epic for Astoria; a highly limited Epic, but one with an extremely destructive power. Then I did some research to try and put a number like ten billion tesla into perspective. Turns out that invulnerability is even more necessary than I thought. At 10^10 tesla, physical laws as we understand them start to break down. Atoms stretch into infinitely thin needles before being torn apart at a subatomic level, and the field decay produces enough gamma rays to fry a city (or thirty). Heck, space-time itself starts to warp, becoming a birefringent medium. (IE, conducting light at different speeds depending on it's polarization.) Even if you were a couple dozen miles away, you'd be feeling the effects, as your constituent atoms form elongated ovals instead of spheres, making standard chemical bonding impossible, resulting in new, strange compounds, and a general destruction of living organisms. A hundred miles away, and you'd still die, albeit because your nervous system gets disrupted and you're heart, brain and lungs all immediately stop working. A hundred miles more, and you would feel nauseous, dizzy, and possibly experience a brief period of unconsciousness (and maybe get some funky visual hallucinations, if you happen to be moving), but you'd be alive. (At this distance, the field would have weakened to about 20-30 tesla, only a about twice the strength of an MRI.) Even at this distance though, metal will be flying at extremely dangerous speeds, or picking up a very strong electrical charge. ...So yeah. Not someone I'm going to be introducing to the story any time soon. Not unless I take his powers down a couple orders of magnitude. (At least down to 10^5 tesla, so he doesn't deform atoms to the point biological organisms start breaking down.) He'd definitely destroy Oregon, though. Probably good chunks of California, Washington, Nevada and Idaho, too. Edited December 27, 2015 by Aonar Faileas 2
Kobold King he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 No idea what Deathwish's powers are, but does Deathwish have any offensive abilities? He can fly and he has an enhanced sense of sight that makes him a good aim with a gun. His main power is his PI, though--if you attack him and break his skin, the damage you do to him instantly heals and reflects onto your body. If you shoot him in the face, your head will be the one that winds up with a bullet hole. Stab him in the chest, and you're the one who's gonna bleed to death.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted December 27, 2015 Author Posted December 27, 2015 He can fly and he has an enhanced sense of sight that makes him a good aim with a gun. His main power is his PI, though--if you attack him and break his skin, the damage you do to him instantly heals and reflects onto your body. If you shoot him in the face, your head will be the one that winds up with a bullet hole. Stab him in the chest, and you're the one who's gonna bleed to death. As a human of the female persuasion, I've half a mind to list his sleaziness as a power, as it has already successfully goaded a female character into triggering his PI and harming herself. Of course, he was that much of a sleaze before Calamity, so he's not an Epic creeper; just a creeper who happens to be an Epic. 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 This is highly unlikely*, but if a weather epic's powers indirectly cause storms and he is later hit by a hailstone that only exists as an indirect effect of that epic, will it hurt him? *Then again, anyone liking Nighthound is highly unlikely, and he has a sociopathic fan club. I wouldn't call them a fan club. At least not yet. Yeah, the rules seem a little wonky here, and I'm sort of on the edge of declaring him OP. :/ Not sure if op is the right term, given that everyone could just pick up a gun and shoot him, even Backtrack. Although, i agree that a clear line on what he can neutralize is imporant. Including if powers that are purely internal to the Epic, prime invincibilities and stuff like that, are affected. We have an Epic who can turn pebbles into buses and an Epic who can pull an infinite number of Sausage McMuffins from his pockets, the latter of which Brandon Sanderson himself commented on. And Brandon wanted to give him the Voidus approach of Epic powers and make something harmless sounding actually threathening. I always considered giving his powers slight perks since then.
Voidus Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 I've decided to start my own holiday around the giving of Epic profiles after Twi's Dursley present thread.So happy Calamitas everyone!On this joyous holiday the great Voidus travels around the world, rather than crawling through sooty chimney's however he merely teleports into a nearby darkened nook or alley. And rather than a certain selfish avatar of a different holiday, Voidus and his helpful acolytes actually leave cookies behind rather than taking them. 3
Edgedancer he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 I've decided to start my own holiday around the giving of Epic profiles after Twi's Dursley present thread. So happy Calamitas everyone! On this joyous holiday the great Voidus travels around the world, rather than crawling through sooty chimney's however he merely teleports into a nearby darkened nook or alley. And rather than a certain selfish avatar of a different holiday, Voidus and his helpful acolytes actually leave cookies behind rather than taking them. But no one knew the true price of Calamitas. He may give you cookies but the cookies take part of you and there is only the Epic profile left to fill in the void they create inside of us. 1
Voidus Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 But no one knew the true price of Calamitas. He may give you cookies but the cookies take part of you and there is only the Epic profile left to fill in the void they create inside of us. Er.... It's a metaphor for capitalism? 3
Edgedancer he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Er.... It's a metaphor for capitalism? So it really is just like christmas? Does that make you Calamity Claus? 2
Kobold King he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 So it really is just like christmas? Does that make you Calamity Claus? You don't have to combine the two names, considering Santa and Calamity are already the same person. 1
Mestiv he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 I've read your discussion about OP defense powers and I'm surprised you more or less accepted Argon, whose defenses are even more OP. I guess that it was his weakness that allowed that Anyway, I'm declaring I'll write Summer post before the end of the year about her joining the staff of Argons house. Nothing interesting, but it's still something I'm still waiting for Buttercup and Kenshin to intercept Argon on his way home.
Edgedancer he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Anyway, I'm declaring I'll write Summer post before the end of the year about her joining the staff of Argons house. Nothing interesting, but it's still something I'm still waiting for Buttercup and Kenshin to intercept Argon on his way home. Right and I think I was waiting on Blaze having Buttercup arrive at kenshin's place. Also, viva la Autumn!
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted December 28, 2015 Author Posted December 28, 2015 What are the rules on time Epics? No traveling to the past in any game-breaking way, no major future travel, if others can be taken along it can't be game-breaking, no game-breaking time warping. One time Epic who fits comfortably within those guidelines is Timeport. He can travel up to two minutes into the future, but he can only carry his clothes and a weapon. He did travel an hour or so into the past once, but that was when Upgrade (who can magnify Epic powers) helped him, and all Timeport did was visit himself to give key information pertaining to his own future, creating a stable time loop.
mail-mi he/him Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) No traveling to the past in any game-breaking way, no major future travel, if others can be taken along it can't be game-breaking, no game-breaking time warping. One time Epic who fits comfortably within those guidelines is Timeport. He can travel up to two minutes into the future, but he can only carry his clothes and a weapon. He did travel an hour or so into the past once, but that was when Upgrade (who can magnify Epic powers) helped him, and all Timeport did was visit himself to give key information pertaining to his own future, creating a stable time loop. Technically it's five minutes, and he went a half hour into the past, but whatever. Edited December 28, 2015 by mail-mi
Stormgate he/him Posted December 28, 2015 Posted December 28, 2015 Can I turn Oregon into a big ball of wibbly wobbly, Epicy wepiky stuff? 2
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