Long Game 15: ...The Shards Themselves...

[phattemer]

Once we are down to one eliminator we have won the game. If we have 2 Elantrians we have essentially won now as long as we don't lynch them. (Tall order, eh?)

So of Lopen, Elkanah, Elbereth, and Biggoron, one is the Biochromancer, one is Uninvested/Hemalurgist, one is Uninvested/Heamlurgist/Elantrian, and one is Mistborn. Personally, I am nearly sure Lopen is telling the truth, so that leaves Elk, Elb, and Big for Mistborn, Hema/El/Unin, and Biochromancer.

Assuming that Elbereth is the mistborn(no counters), that leaves Elkanah and Biggoron with biochromancer and uninv/Hema/Elantrian. Now we need to look at motives. Let us assume for the moment that Biggoron is the traitor Biochromancer. Why would a Biochromancer claim Elantrian? Maybe they want to seem invulnerable. This would fit with his earlier claim of Voidbringer. However, this would be unwise with a Mistborn still alive. Now let us assume that Elkanah is the traitor Biochromancer. From this, there would be no more Hemalurgists and the HI would be evil. So why would a Biochromancer claim Hemalurgist? The answer appears obvious: they want to not need to pretend to be a powered role. Why not Uninvested? Because this way they also make it appear that the HI is still loyal.

So this is how I think the roles are, right now(no fancy colors sorry)

Phattemer- Loyal Voidbringer

Lopen- Loyal Uninvested

Orlok- Loyal Surgebinder

Biggoron- Loyal Elantrian

Clanky- Loyal Elantrian

Elbereth- Loyal Mistborn

Queensteph- Loyal Feruchemist

Hellscythe- Traitor HI

Elkanah- Traitor Biochromancer

Burnt Spaghetti- Traitor Kandra

Also, a reminder that the traitors need only equal us (minus the HI) to win, no matter how many Voidbringers, Elantrians, and Feruchemists we have. At this point, we should win this night if Burnt is a traitor, since we can drop the Mistborn kill on Elkanah. (Aaaand Biochromancer can role block. So the next day, actually.) If she's not, Lopen has it analyzed. Live long and prosper!

[Hellscythe he/him]

Let's see, if Burnt is a Traitor, then things would get a little more complicated I think. I haven't completely thought through everything in that scenario, but we would know that there would still be a Traitor BioChromancer running around, and we wouldn't have a lot of choices at that point. Orlok is pretty much confirmed to be the Surgebinder because the Alvron message, which he did because he had a hunch that Alv was a Traitor. The HI was Loyal when he scanned you and Clanky, so we know that you are what you say you are and it's fairly certain that Steph is a Feruchemist, so that leaves me, Elkanah, Biggoron and Elbereth. We are claiming Uninvested, Hemalurgist, Elantrian, and Mistborn. I would say that Elbereth's claim of Mistborn is the most trustworthy one since no one has challenged her on that in which case it comes down to me, Elkanah and Biggoron. Biggoron lied about his role, and I know I'm not a BioChromancer or a Traitor, so I would still be suspicious of him. Elkanah would be the only other available player if Biggoron wasn't it, but his claim of Hemalurgist and the things he's said and the things the HI has said lead me to believe he's telling the truth about things. So as you can see, I still think Clanky(because Biggoron was protected) and Biggoron are the Traitors pretty much no matter what, but the only way to be completely sure we win is to lynch Burnt first.

 

So Lopen what happens to your plan in the scenario where Burnt is evil if after we lynch Biggoron and Elkanah there's another traitor. I turn evil, you lose a vote and you still have to figure out who the last traitor is. In that span of time where you lynch Burnt, Biggoron, and Elkanah that's 3 night's for traitor kills. 

Edited December 9, 2015 by Hellscythe

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

@Hellscythe, Well, I did say that if Burnt is evil, I still think Biggoron and Clanky are as well, not Biggoron and Elkanah. But if she does turn out to be a Traitor, then we still have the Night Turn to think things through and discuss and stuff. As I said before, I haven't thought through that scenario as much, so I'm not sure what we would do besides regular Mafia/Werewolves/SE type of stuff. I mean, you guys have pretty much all the information I do, except for my knowledge of what people said in my PM's and such, so you could figure it out just as easily as I could probably.

[Clanky he/him]

Huh well that's interesting. I almost wish that I were a traitor just so that I wouldn't be killed for no reason. Honestly I was trying to figure out how we could still have a traitor Elantrian and Biochromancer but wasn't exactly sure. 

 

Elbereth, I had already figured out that you were the other Mistborn before Lopen gave it away but the traitors may not have. 

 

Now since I know that I am not a traitor I will put out what will actually happen with lopens plan:

 

1. lynch Burnt, = 6:2:1

2. attack someone with our Mistborn(but will be blocked as I will protect myself and Biggoron will protect himself), eliminator kill, = 5:2:1

3. lynch Clanky (Because you will kill the person you think you cannot kill with a mistborn) = 4:2:1

4. attack Biggoron at Night(Get blocked), eliminator kill, = 3:2:1

5. lynch biggoron. = 3:1:1 

6. Attack ??? at night, eliminator kill= 1-1-1 Lose!!! or 2:0:1 Win!!!

 

Now this could go differently if I decide not to protect myself at night to allow you to kill me but you won't trust that I would actually leave myself unprotected.

 

I also have a new theory of Biggoron being a loyal elantrian, Lopen being a traitor biochromancer and Burnt being a traitor Kandra! It's one of the only ways that I can see this actually working. I know that no-one will take anything that I say seriously but I figure that I should try anyways.

 

 For anyone who also played in LG14 I will just put out there how similar this is to what happened to me in that game.   

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Might I ask that with the indication that we are closing on the end of the game, and you're certainty about Biggoron, we lynch Biggoron today, to give us some breathing space?

I highly doubt that Wyrm will have put an indication as he did regarding the game drawing to a close unless we were running out of time - and if we are, then we do need to gamble on the kandra being loyal

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Clanky, I agree that the only way for you to be Loyal is if Burnt is a Traitor. So why not put your vote on her? I'm only convinced of you being a Traitor if Burnt turns out to be Loyal. I'm not sure if I made myself perfectly clear before, so here it is again(if we lynch Burnt and she turns out Loyal): Orlok, Steph, Lopen, Elkanah(Hemalurgist) and Hellscythe would be completely cleared. That would leave 4 uncomfirmed players: Phattemer(scanned by the HI as Voidbringer, and now has claimed as such), Clanky(scanned by the HI as Elantrian, has claimed that for a while now and proved he is one by protecting Burnt on N4), Biggoron(claimed Voidbringer, now claimed Elantrian), Elbereth(claimed Mistborn, and about 99.9% sure she is one). So the BioChromancer has gotta be Biggoron. With the knowledge that Biggoron is a BioChromancer and not an Elantrian like he claims, we can then assume that he was protected by an Elantrian who is also a Traitor. At that point, we would already have established that you are the only Elantrian, which means that you are the one who protected him last Night and you are also a Traitor because of that.

 

I remember LG14 very well  , and that is why I'm trying to explain everything so that everyone is on the same page and we don't make the same type of mistakes.

 

Edit: @Orlok, the only way my plan involving Burnt being Loyal won't work is for there to be a 3rd Traitor, and it would have to be either Phattemer or Elbereth. Phattemer is a confirmed Voidbringer. Elbereth is a confirmed Mistborn. I am very sure that Phatt was targeted on N6, and so he is Loyal. Add to that that if he was a Traitor, then that would mean that the Traitors got 3 protective roles. That is just too many imo. Elbereth is a Mistborn. If she was a Traitor, then that would mean the Traitors started with 7 players and would have 1 Voidbringer(Wilson), 1 Elantrian(Clanky), 1 Forger(BB) and 1 Mistborn(Elbereth). Not to mention a BioChromancer, Hemalurgist, and a roleless that could be forged into anything available, maybe even another Mistborn. That would be an insanely strong eliminator team and would mean that the village got just as good of roles. But we didn't really get that many good roles if that was the case. That would mean we got like 8 roleless, 2 Bio's, 1 Mistborn, 2 Kandra, 2 Voidbringers, 0 Elantrians, 4 Hemalurgists, 2 Surgebinders, 3 Feruchemists and that's it. (Not including the HI) I do wonder about that message by Wyrm, but he does call himself the "King of Trolls," so he was most likely just messing with us.

 

Edit 2: Clarification. The only way my plan involving Burnt being Loyal won't work is for there to be a 3rd Traitor. (I added the italicized part in the first Edit)

Edited December 9, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[queensteph she/her]

You guys hurt my brain

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Hey Steph, could you use your Feruchemy skills to switch Clanky's vote from Biggoron to Burnt? That way we will have 100% confirmation that you are a Feruchemist! I mean, we might already have confirmation, but I'm too tired to go through the thread trying to figure it out and this way is easier.

 

So Clanky, please leave your vote on Biggoron. Other people who haven't voted for Burnt, please do so that there will be no shenanigans whatsoever with the lynch.

 

Edit: Vote tally just because

 

Burnt Spaghetti(5): Lopen, Phattemer, Elbereth, QueenSteph, Biggoron

Biggoron(1): Clanky

Phattemer(1): Orlok

Edited December 9, 2015 by TheMightyLopen

[queensteph she/her]

Sure thing.

PS. I've only used my ability twice (this will be the third)

1st I changed my own vote on Orlok onto Honeybadger earlierer in the game (to prove my role to Adavantos) but one of the other feruchemists changed someone's vote from HB onto Orlok so it basically cancelled it out.

2nd I changed Lopen's vote on Araris(I think?) onto Kipper because of my suspicions of Kip (sorry kip )

Edited December 9, 2015 by queensteph

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Lopen, I'm not convinced by your assertion that the N6 attack on Phatt clears him - it could quite conceivably be an implementation of the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.

[phattemer]

That attack wasn't necessarily me, you know. But it was after I had claimed Hemalurgist to draw fire away from actual ones. Also the Eliminators probably wouldn't have 2 Voidbringers. Seeing as we now know who we're lymching, we can dyer mine who is left after we find out what burnt is. Also, do I have anyone's roles wrong?

[Biggoron he/him]

Well, it's funny to say that phat's assessments of our roles(or mine atleast, since I am a Loyal Elantrian) are more accurate than Lopen's, but I was suspicious of both of you early-game, so actually it's only funny to me, because I was so wrong apparently.

Edit: Also wait, what's gonna happen to me at night? A Mistborn attack is gonna be wasted on me or something?? Or how are you planning on dealing with me, and when?

Edited December 9, 2015 by Biggoron

[Elbereth she/her]

Well, if Burnt is loyal, then either you or Clanky will be targeted tonight, but probably blocked. Thus you'll instead be lynched tomorrow.

If Burnt isn't loyal, there will be a good deal of discussion in short order. You might still be lynched, but possibly not. We'll see.

[Clanky he/him]

Clanky, I agree that the only way for you to be Loyal is if Burnt is a Traitor. So why not put your vote on her? I'm only convinced of you being a Traitor if Burnt turns out to be Loyal. I'm not sure if I made myself perfectly clear before, so here it is again(if we lynch Burnt and she turns out Loyal): Orlok, Steph, Lopen, Elkanah(Hemalurgist) and Hellscythe would be completely cleared. That would leave 4 uncomfirmed players: Phattemer(scanned by the HI as Voidbringer, and now has claimed as such), Clanky(scanned by the HI as Elantrian, has claimed that for a while now and proved he is one by protecting Burnt on N4), Biggoron(claimed Voidbringer, now claimed Elantrian), Elbereth(claimed Mistborn, and about 99.9% sure she is one). So the BioChromancer has gotta be Biggoron. With the knowledge that Biggoron is a BioChromancer and not an Elantrian like he claims, we can then assume that he was protected by an Elantrian who is also a Traitor. At that point, we would already have established that you are the only Elantrian, which means that you are the one who protected him last Night and you are also a Traitor because of that.

 

I remember LG14 very well  , and that is why I'm trying to explain everything so that everyone is on the same page and we don't make the same type of mistakes.

 

 

Well the reason I hadn't voted for burnt was because if we lynch Biggoron and then everyone can find out that he is an elantrian so it wasn't me who protected him. Even if Burnt is evil I will still be under suspicion until we find out that Biggoron is an Elantrian. Since people know that I am an elantrian then they will want to lynch me after the night attack fails so that I can't stop it again. So in other words I am still likely to die if Burnt is a traitor unless Biggoron is killed first which is unlikely given that people don't believe he is an elantrian.

[Elbereth she/her]

If you are an Elantrian and Biggoron is a BioChromancer, as Lopen postulates, either of you can block the kill (assuming I'm the Mistborn). Biggoron can roleblock me, and you can protect either yourself or Biggoron (if you're a traitor- otherwise you'll pretty obviously be protecting yourself). So whichever of you we choose to lynch I'll probably still be blocked the next night. As I see it either you or Biggoron could be lynched the next day and there wouldn't be much difference to the Mistborn.

[Elkanah he/him]

That attack wasn't necessarily me, you know. But it was after I had claimed Hemalurgist to draw fire away from actual ones. Also the Eliminators probably wouldn't have 2 Voidbringers. Seeing as we now know who we're lymching, we can dyer mine who is left after we find out what burnt is. Also, do I have anyone's roles wrong?

 

Yes you have my role wrong. I can't blame you though. I've been trying to stay out of sight to protect the HI, but we're to the point where that can't last any longer. I didn't know very many roles before the reveal, but based on my role and those the kandra has checked I'd say I trust Lopen's list.

 

Might I ask that with the indication that we are closing on the end of the game, and you're certainty about Biggoron, we lynch Biggoron today, to give us some breathing space?

I highly doubt that Wyrm will have put an indication as he did regarding the game drawing to a close unless we were running out of time - and if we are, then we do need to gamble on the kandra being loyal

 

I've been thinking about this. Since there are only two people unchecked and we're of one consensus that there are only two traitors left. That means that if we kill one of the two and they are innocent, then Burnt is evil and we can kill her. But if She is on our side, then we just expedite the process by killing the only two traitors left. Either way we achieve the same results, the difference is I think Biggoron is more suspicious than Burnt Spaghetti because Biggoron lied about his role.

[Elbereth she/her]

There are actually four people that haven't been checked: me, Phatt, Biggoron, and Clanky.

EDIT: Also, it's turnover. I spoke a bit late to actually be helpful, I see.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Ookla the Star-Goddess

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Night 9: Dark Beyond the Stars

 

A fist slammed down on the table, the other hand pointing accusingly at Biggoron. “You claimed you could foresee anything that would happen to you! What sort of lie was that?” Doctor McClay asked, a degree of bemusement in his voice. “And what sort of Mistborn even tests that?” he asked. There was no response, particularly since one of the potentially guilty parties wasn't even amongst the living anymore.

 

Biggoron rubbed at his arm, the synthskin there still not completely settled down. His leg was feeling better than his arm, but that still itched as well. “If I thought someone was going to test it, I'd have kept my bloody mouth shut,” He responded, forcing himself to stop scratching. “Never heard of someone making a mistake?”

 

McClay sat down and gave a deep sigh. “Right, so... Where are we, even? What do we know? What do we not know? Hell, does anything make sense anymore?”

 

“Well, one of us has been investigating the others...” Volke suggested. “Which side they're on could probably tell us quite a bit. I mean... It'd be nice to have something we can take as proof, right? So few of us left now...” He trailed off.

 

“So what you're suggesting is, if I'm understanding you right,” Obsidibus said, just as slowly, “that you want one of us to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the crew. For that person to die to save the others, potentially. It might not even tell us anything.”

 

“I find it strange that you would suggest such a thing,” HELLSCYTHE's monotone voice filtered in through the ship's overhead speakers. “The logical conclusion is that you are not a kandra yourself, and hope to save yourself in this way, Volke. If your reasoning is flawed, then we will all die.”

 

“You're already dead, you useless pile of junk,” Volke muttered back. “But does anyone agree with me?”

 

“I do,” Elby said. “I think your plan makes sense. We need something solid right now.”

 

“...Fine. Fine...” Ember said, palms on the table as she stood up. The synthskin she wore slowly paled and became translucent, almost gelatinous, to be replaced by the clear body of a kandra. There was an exclamation of surprise as she did so, some leaning back while others leant forward to get a better view. “You can have access to my notes. You can even remove my spikes , so I won't get in your way. Just... Don't lose them, alright? Or let anyone take them. They are kind of me.”

 

“That's accommodating of you,” Volke said, smiling a little weakly as he watched the kandra reach inside the spongy mass to take out a set of metallic spikes. He tried very hard not to retch at the sight. As the last of them left her body, she almost collapsed, returning to a basic, animalistic creature; a Mistwraith. It oozed around a little before slowly meandering off.

 

“Well,” Obsidibus said, when it had finally left the room, holding up a set of keys. “Let's have a poke around in Ember's room, shall we?”

 

---

 

Any bedroom on the ship would be called a little cramped, and with seven people in one (plus HI supervision), it was almost unbearable. Clothes of various shapes, sizes and genders were tossed out of their holders and wardrobes, cabinets emptied and bins upturned as they searched for Ember's most secretive notes.

“Got something!” Steph shouted, as she pulled something back out from under Ember's bunk, careful not to hit her head on the frame. “It looks like a stationary set? One of those foldable ones?”

 

“Fairly strange stuff to bring on a trip like this. Not as if she can write letters home,” McClay said as he lifted it onto the bed. “There's probably a button on the side somewhere... Ah.” He founded it and pressed it, waiting for the lid to open. All seven of them slowly leant in to get the first look at her notes... And a rainbow of shiny, plastic glitter was catapulted out at them.

 

---

 

Captain Heron shook his head as he went past Ember's room, a few straw figures still tidying up the mess. There were never any notes in the briefcase that they uncovered, just wave upon wave of glitter. They uncovered the proof that they hoped to find later, as they were tidying up.

 

He made his way down to the engine room, and in there, towards the fuel tanks. He opened the lid of one of the fuel containers. He dropped the spikes he was holding into them, and called for the tank to be loaded into the burner, before heading back up the stairs to the bridge. A translucent mass crept after him as he left the room.

 

Crew Manifest

1. John (IrulelikeSTINK) - A rules lawyer's client with a mission. - Hemalurgist

2. Gaius Tekiel (Orlok)

3. Adelor Ien Far-Astra (Alfa) - Hemalurgist

4. Wynde Wilson (little wilson) - A woman afraid of airlocks. - Voidbringer

5. Tigger (Kipper) – T-I-Double-Guh-Err - Feruchemist

6. James T Slade (Bridge Boy) - An ensign with delusions of Spook. - Forger

7. Inor Haze (Creccio) - BioChromancer

8. Pork (Paranoid King) - A pilot and board game fanatic - Feruchemist

9. Miral (Mailliw73) - Excited to be exploring the Cosmere - Hemalurgist

10. Cor Mordero (Alvron) - Petty Officer, in both rank and nature. Uninvested

11. Arandar (Araris Valerian) - Hemalurgist

12. Rae Nova (Arraenae) - Possibly a death-seeker - Mistborn

13. Brega Daghar (The Honey Badger) - A man looking for opportunities - BioChromancer

14. Citoan Vinid (Shallan) - A naturally non-Allomancer who loves Allomancy - Kandra

15. Obsidibus Caesis Dormiam (phattemer)

16. Volke (TheMightyLopen)

17. Davenar Leiken (Adavantos) - Uninvested

18. Kaid (Kaid) - Voidbringer

19. Doctor McClay (Clanky)

20. Neil Weakarm (polkinghorndb) - Forger

21. Elby (Elbereth)

22. HELLSCYTHE (DeathClutch19) - Uninvested - HI

23. Steph (QueenSteph)

24. The High Priest of Elkanah (Elkanah)

25. Dow (dowanx) - Surgebinder

26. Sonder Kessligh (Kasimir) - Uninvested

27. Osmann (Zed) - Uninvested

28. Bort (Bort) - Uninvested

29. Ember Ghetti (Burnt Spaghetti) - Kandra

30. Gylf (RippleGylf) - Uninvested

31. Bovinus (The Cow) - Uninvested

32. Biggoron (Biggoron)

 

Ember Ghetti was a Kandra!

 

Ember Ghetti (5): Obsidibus Caesis Dormiam, Elby, Steph, Biggoron

Biggoron (1): Doctor McClay, The High Priest of Elkanah

Obsidibus Caesis Dormiam (1): Gaius Tekiel

 

Night 9 has begun! PMs may now be sent. Day 10 will begin on Sunday at 8PM, but the Night will still end on Saturday at 8PM.

 

Shift Clock

This glitter isn't going to clean itself up!

 

 

Edited December 10, 2015 by Wyrmhero

[Orlok Tsubodai]

This is... Problematic.

[phattemer]

I think it's excellent! We now have only the Biochromancer to get, and although they will probably RB the Mistborn, we can get them tomorrow. Does anyone not think it's Elkanah?

[Hellscythe he/him]

This would be much easier if everyone was proven innocent by the kandra.

 

edit: ninjaed. Obviously I know for a fact that it can't be Elkanah. Unless there's a random hemalurgist who fake role claimed to everyone else and didn't tell me. But that's unlikely. I'd like to ask the Elantrian to protect him tonight so I can't turn but the decision is always up to you.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Hellscythe

[Elbereth she/her]

I think it's excellent! We now have only the Biochromancer to get, and although they will probably RB the Mistborn, we can get them tomorrow. Does anyone not think it's Elkanah?

You know that there isn't necessarily only one traitor left, right? Earlier in the game we were talking about lthere being 8 eliminators, and we've only killed 5. It's entirely possible that there's two or even three left, right?

[Clanky he/him]

You know that there isn't necessarily only one traitor left, right? Earlier in the game we were talking about lthere being 8 eliminators, and we've only killed 5. It's entirely possible that there's two or even three left, right?

 

I highly doubt they have three with the amount of powerful roles they had. I would say that beyond the Biochromancer it wouldn't be that odd for them to have another weaker role. Say perhaps a Surgebinder?

[Clanky he/him]

Remaining Players:

1.     Gaius Tekiel (Orlok)- Surgebinder proven

2.     Obsidibus Caesis Dormiam (phattemer) Voidbringer-not proven

3.     Volke (TheMightyLopen)-uninvested- no proof

4.     Doctor McClay (Clanky)-Elantrian proven

5.     Elby (Elbereth)- Proven Mistborn

6.     HELLSCYTHE (DeathClutch19) - Uninvested - HI

7.     Steph (QueenSteph)-Proven Feruchemist

8.     The High Priest of Elkanah (Elkanah)- hemalurgist- no proof

9.     Biggoron (Biggoron)-proven Elantrian

 

So based on what I can tell this is what I have for what is left of the traitor team:

 

1.     Bovinus (The Cow) - Uninvested

2.     Ember Ghetti (Burnt Spaghetti) - Kandra

3.     Arandar (Araris Valerian) - Hemalurgist

4.     James T Slade (Bridge Boy) - Forger

5.     Wynde Wilson (little wilson) - Voidbringer

6.     Unknown Biochromancer-Can only be Elkanah or Lopen.

7.     Potential other Traitor- (most likely not a power role) Gives Lopen, Elkanah, Orlok or Steph

 

I would be most suspicious of Lopen except for how he was integral for pushing for Burnts death. That leaves Elkanah as the Biochromancer meaning that the HI has turned. As for the potential other traitor I think Orlok is most suspicious.

[Elbereth she/her]

Multiple things. Mostly questions.

Why is Orlok proven as a Surgebinder?

Why are you proven as an Elantrian? Is that just from your perspective or was there proof at some point that I missed?

Why am I proven as a Mistborn? Just because Lopen vouched for me?

I'm assuming you're saying Biggoron is a proven Elantrian because you didn't protect him, right?