Long Game 15: ...The Shards Themselves...

[STINK he/him]

Ada, I thought the Captain was leading the crew? Are you performing a Mutiny on our Great Captain?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Oh definitely. Captain Wurum Heron, AKA Wyrmhero.

 

EDITED FOR JOKE VOTE RETRACTION

Edited November 9, 2015 by Adavantos

[Guest]

I think it was all that appeal to emotion in your big Shallan post that contributed to all these role reveals to you. I personally don't think (at least in this Day) that you've been leading the village, per se.

[STINK he/him]

But just you wait for the Night...

 

For the Night is Dark and Filled with Role Reveals.

 

Also, Creccio.

Edited November 9, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm just concerned when anyone follows my example. Considering the vote was in favor of Stink before I intervened, then swung in Wilson's direction and now in Creccio's, I can't help but feel like I have more sway than I really should, and that scares me because either a: it's going to get me implicated the moment I make a mistake, which like anyone else I am liable to, or b: there's traitors latching on to me like a leech with the intention to soak up any info I gather and potentially cast suspicion my way if they're found out or c: the crew is being way to trusting which doesn't bode well for us. If I was actually evil a lot of valuable people would be guaranteed dead at this point.

 

 

 

EDIT CAUSE I LEFT OUT THE WORD EVIL

Edited November 9, 2015 by Adavantos

[Paranoid King he/him]

Alright, Kipper's not going to get lynched and I'd prefer that there isn't a tie between Wilson and Creccio.

[Elithanathile he/him]

So your proof of being innocent is: "If I was evil. You would be dead by now."

 

I think I see a flaw in that logic.

[Clanky he/him]

Sorry for falling off the grid there for a bit. As I mentioned before disappearing I have been having internet problems (now fixed) and then I was out of town for a while and busy with some friends. Now I am back home, sick and tired and with a pile of work do. I will be on a bit but I probably won't return to regular activity levels till at least Thursday. 

 

Now I read through everything today and while I am still trying to digest it all I do have a few thoughts. Firstly about PK, he voted for Kipper and claimed that kipper warned him he may die. Did we ever hear anything else about tat from kipper?(if we did I missed it)

 

Also I find that Adavantos has been acting very odd this cycle such as talking about not lynching our main suspicions until they are scanned, talking about not voting on anyone unless you are sure, as well as expressing concern about being a leader while definitely becoming a leader(not the leader but one of them).

 

Firstly I am of the opinion that you lynch your biggest suspicion and scan people you have no clue about or who you are thinking of trusting. If you are suspicious of someone and they claim a crucial role then sure you should wait and have them scanned but otherwise It is best to learn from lynching them. The second part just seems like he is subtly trying to get people not to vote as much. Voting lots and moving your vote around regardless of suspicion is the best way to learn more. The vote isn't just to kill people.

 

I however will not be placing a vote since the majority of the suspicion revolves around the whole Wilson/STINK debacle and I still don't quite understand what is going on. I also probably won't be back on before the rollover so wouldn't even be able to remove a vote if someone responds to it.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd several times.

 

PK what did Kipper say to you about you maybe dying? 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Clanky

[Amanuensis he/him]

So your proof of being innocent is: "If I was evil. You would be dead by now."

 

I think I see a flaw in that logic.

 

If you're referring to me that's not what I meant. I meant that a lot of people role claimed to me and that if I was a traitor all that info would be used against us very quickly. I have no proof of being innocent, that's for the town to decide. I just know I am.

 

Also, @Stink, why the vote retraction?

 

 

EDIT BECAUSE WORDS GOT JUMBLED UP

Edited November 9, 2015 by Adavantos

[phattemer]

I am going to respond to a few things now.

Also, phattmer's vote on Wilson has effectively made me more convinced of his guilt and less convinced of hers. But this may very well be yet another eliminator ploy to make us trust Wilson, like with the anonymous message.

Why? I think I have sufficient reasoning for it, which I thought I had stated, but maybe only in PMs.

I believe that the Shallan lynch couldn't have happened without Eliminator involvement. It could be Wilson, Kipper, or Bort. (Mailliw was a loyal hemalurgist then)

Wilson is the most suspicious because that isn't something she would normally do. (According to my perception of Wilson)

Kipper and Bort both are suspicious, but I think Wilson is the most right now.

It was suggested that I voted for Shallan and arranged that other Eliminators would follow up because she could accidentally find my alignment. As it turns out, that would have been a great strategy should I have been an eliminator, since she was a Kandra. I don't really know how to make a defense for this, beyond that I wouldn't do that to my sister. (I mean, I would, but not for that reason)

I actually just voted for Shallan to annoy her a bit, since she hadn't been on yet. I then was not on until the end of the cycle had happened and was unable to retract my vote.

Up above, I say that that isn't really something Wilson would do as a villager. She put the second vote on Shallan for effectively nothing, and although the leader then had 4-5 votes, we should all only be voting for someone if we want them lynched and are prepared to offer more of an explanation than "Someone else already said that". Wilson knows that, and if she wanted to lunch Shallan based on the one post, I don't think she could be village.

But now Creccio is being lynched, and honestly, I'm fine with that too, because apparently she is spreading some "juicy information about [me]". Here's some advice for anyone who got the info: it's not right. Either Creccio is guessing/lying or she knows a Kandra who scanned me for role, since an alignment of Loyal isn't very juicy.

[STINK he/him]

Wait a minute, I am happy voting for Creccio. BTW, answer truthfully, did Creccio tell anyone my role? It would be great if Creccio would say so but if not I'm happy if lots of others deny being told my role by Creccio, as then I would have found a Liar! 

[Paranoid King he/him]

Kipper PM'd me during the night telling me that a mistborn was targeting me and I should probably leave a last will or something. I wasn't killed by a mistborn that night. I find that suspicious.

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Phatt: Creccio told me you claimed two roles, one in white text, the other black. The two roles claimed are a part of the reason I'm wary of you, in addition to the explanation that was provided for me about you two being related, as the specifics of it seems very traitor like. However that is another reason why I think he may be evil; he may be trying to implicate you because I had explained to him the bit about you two being siblings.

 

@Stink: He told me you claimed roleless to him, but also that he did not believe you. He later told me he found a Forger.

[STINK he/him]

Alright, anyone else told anything by Creccio?

[Creccio he/him]

Wait a minute, I am happy voting for Creccio. BTW, answer truthfully, did Creccio tell anyone my role? It would be great if Creccio would say so but if not I'm happy if lots of others deny being told my role by Creccio, as then I would have found a Liar! 

 

I did do it.

 

@Phattemer.

 

Explain to me why then on the email says you claimed voidbringer and on the pm it says hemalurgist? You changed it. Or, please come and explain to me why that is.

 

EDIT: I already knew they were Sibling Adavantos.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Creccio

[STINK he/him]

So like how many people exactly was it Creccio?

[Creccio he/him]

So like how many people exactly was it Creccio?

 

Like Adavantos, Mail and one other person from the top of my head.

 

Again, If i am to die, I will post my will with my information. A dead Loyal with no given information might aswell be useless. I am willing to answer questions in this time, meanwhile i can still breathe

[Amanuensis he/him]

Anyway, the sibling bit is not relevant to the game and should not be factored into any decisions.

 

I tried to avoid saying which specific roles Creccio said, but he just did it anyway so. Now everyone knows. >.>

[Creccio he/him]

Anyway, the sibling bit is not relevant to the game and should not be factored into any decisions.

 

I tried to avoid saying which specific roles Creccio said, but he just did it anyway so. Now everyone knows. >.>

 

I am going to go all out with the truth. I dont care at this point. If im going down might as well help the Loyals as much as I can.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Honestly I would rather the information you have die with you before it leaks out to the traitors, depending on how much you actually know, which is presumably a lot since you made a ton of effort to communicate with people. If you are a true loyal you would not out everything you know to everyone, as it only harms the crew in the long run. 

[STINK he/him]

Alright, so if Creccio didn't tell lots of people my role then yay! 

[little wilson she/her]

Wilson is the most suspicious because that isn't something she would normally do. (According to my perception of Wilson)

 

[....]

Up above, I say that that isn't really something Wilson would do as a villager. She put the second vote on Shallan for effectively nothing, and although the leader then had 4-5 votes, we should all only be voting for someone if we want them lynched and are prepared to offer more of an explanation than "Someone else already said that". Wilson knows that, and if she wanted to lunch Shallan based on the one post, I don't think she could be village.

 

How have you ever gotten the impression that that isn't something that I would do? Do you not remember in LG12, when Mek and Orlok were on the line, I came forward and said "Hey, I don't think either of these two are eliminators, but I'm curious about these 4 people who haven't posted but I've seen watching the thread. Maybe we should lynch one of them." And then we did. I placed the first vote on Feligon and about 5-6 others followed suit in the next 45 minutes and he died. I was about to vote for Shallan for lurking as it was but then she posted. I read the post, didn't feel that it contributed enough for me to change my opinion about her and I voted on her.

[Creccio he/him]

Honestly I would rather the information you have die with you before it leaks out to the traitors, depending on how much you actually know, which is presumably a lot since you made a ton of effort to communicate with people. If you are a true loyal you would not out everything you know to everyone, as it only harms the crew in the long run. 

 

?

 

If I am a true loyal I will post everything, you liking it or not. I mean, I have tried my best and made a risky move. it didnt work.

 

It seems weird you not wanting information, but thats ok.

 

I did communicate with a ton of people. Thats what i want to start with, At this point if you still think im not loyal there is not much i can do, and if I am a traitor, what does it matter that i spread info traitors already have?

 

I am a loyal down to the core. You want me dead, I want the traitors dead. Lets hope our goals align some day in the future.

 

@Stink

 

Joyness overcome. Be happy my friend.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I don't want people to obtain information from a venue that anyone has access to, because then every traitor is guaranteed to gain it. Anything you have to say can be obtained again by someone else.

 

Also I find that Adavantos has been acting very odd this cycle such as talking about not lynching our main suspicions until they are scanned, talking about not voting on anyone unless you are sure, as well as expressing concern about being a leader while definitely becoming a leader(not the leader but one of them).

 

Keep in mind that I made a suggestion that more active members of the community did not agree with. I believe in majority decisions not minority, which is consistent with how I have been playing this game. I do not believe players should vote for someone just because other people are doing it. I want people to vote for someone because they honestly can see they're evil from their own perspective, not because another player is convincing. That just leaves people open for manipulation and makes it harder for us to root out the traitors.

 

Firstly I am of the opinion that you lynch your biggest suspicion and scan people you have no clue about or who you are thinking of trusting. If you are suspicious of someone and they claim a crucial role then sure you should wait and have them scanned but otherwise It is best to learn from lynching them. The second part just seems like he is subtly trying to get people not to vote as much. Voting lots and moving your vote around regardless of suspicion is the best way to learn more. The vote isn't just to kill people.

 

In this particular situation Creccio is claiming a crucial role.

 

 

EDITED OUT SPELLING/GRAMMAR ERRORS

Edited November 9, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

I wanna PM Creccio now