possible connections between Emperor's soul and Elantris (spoilers)

[Pinpoint he/him]

on page 143 in The Emperor's Soul Shai is running escaping the palace.

The books reads: Shai dashed through the hallways. Servants began pointing, others screamed. She almost bowled over a southern ambassador in red priests armor

this fellow in red priests armor reminds me of Hrathin from Elantris.

 

Another thing I noticed is that Brandon Sanderson put the magic systems from these to books on the same world because they fit together.

a part in Elantris reads: Sarene could see the unnatural shadows and pockets beneath his skin, as if his skeleton had been twisted and carved.

Hrathin says that the process of becoming Dakhor is very painful. Could it be possible that the monks place soul stamps directly on the bones? I also seem to remember that in Elantris the Sarene notices that monks have strange symbols in their skin.

 

[WeiryWriter he/him]

on page 143 in The Emperor's Soul Shai is running escaping the palace.

The books reads: Shai dashed through the hallways. Servants began pointing, others screamed. She almost bowled over a southern ambassador in red priests armor

this fellow in red priests armor reminds me of Hrathin from Elantris.

 

Another thing I noticed is that Brandon Sanderson put the magic systems from these to books on the same world because they fit together.

a part in Elantris reads: Sarene could see the unnatural shadows and pockets beneath his skin, as if his skeleton had been twisted and carved.

Hrathin says that the process of becoming Dakhor is very painful. Could it be possible that the monks place soul stamps directly on the bones? I also seem to remember that in Elantris the Sarene notices that monks have strange symbols in their skin.

 

The southern ambassador is indeed a Derethi gyorn, Brandon has confirmed this.

 

As for Dakhor using soulstamps?  I'm not so sure, the strange symbols are made from reshaping the bones themselves using unknown methods.  I guess it is possible but Brandon added Forgery/Bloodsealing and soulstamps to the world long after he worldbuilt AonDor and presumably Dakhor.  Anyway, if I remember correctly aren't the bones twisted via chanting?

[Oudeis he/him]

Surely they tell us in the book Elantris that the Dakhor monks change their bones in horrible rituals requiring the death of others to fuel the change?

[Pinpoint he/him]

yes, I forgot about the chanting part. Sorry it has been a while since I read Elantris. I still wonder if the Dakhor have access to soul stamps though

[Aether he/him]

No, no they would not. Soulforging becomes less and less effective the further you are away from MaiPon, and would presumably not work at all in Fjorden. Besides, the magic of Sel is regionally based and Fjorden (along with Svorden, Duladel and Jindo) most likely have it's own local flavour.

[Pechvarry]

Actually... I don't think we have any evidence that Soulforging is at all affected by distance. Only AonDor has been shown to exhibit that issue.

[Aether he/him]

We have a Word of Brandon on it. I'll see if I can find it.

 

EDIT: Found it

Viper
Aons look like Arelon; soulstamps look like MaiPon. Aons get weaker when you get further from Arelon, right? That's not just cause Elantris acts like a focus?

Brandon Sanderson
That's right, it's based on distance. That's why there are no stamped objects in Elantris.

Viper
So do soulstamps get weaker further from MaiPon? If you left Sel via Shadesmar and went to another planet, would the soulstamp stop working?

Brandon Sanderson
That's correct.

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Edited December 13, 2013 by Aether

[Pechvarry]

Ah. Thanks for that.

[Swimmingly he/him]

How come Shai never notices this? Is she just so good and so subtle that even far away from her homeland, she can Forge things perfectly?

[Pinpoint he/him]

most likely because she has simply never been far enough to be noticeably effected. I am guessing it takes a greater distance than she has gone to make a notable difference in the strength of forging

[Oudeis he/him]

Yeah, I don't think it's policed at the borders like homeland security. Once you leave your nation, it starts to weaken, but you have to get pretty far before it is even difficult, let alone non-functional.

[Swimmingly he/him]

And Forging IS a lot more subtle than, say, Aons. Though I got the impression that Teod was fairly close to Elantris, is terms of distance. I also got the impression that MaiPon was quite far away.

[Aether he/him]

For all we know, MaiPon's border might be next-door to the Emperor's bedroom. MaiPon is part of the Rose Empire, whose size and composition we know nothing about.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Aether

[PeterAhlstrom he/him]

Teod is on a peninsula that sticks down from the same continent that the Rose Empire is on, with nearly impenetrable mountains to the north of the peninsula.

[dyring]

Do you know if Brandon is considering posting more maps at some(hopefully not to distant;)) time?

 

Warbreaker used to be the one I was longing for a map on, but also Sel now . That he dont want to post anything on say, southern scadrial and such I understand, it makes sense since we havent been there, but warbreaker and sel, atleast the portions we´we visited and heard of?

 

Sel there for example, I had gotten the impression that Teod was to the north, and that peninsula turned into some sort of arctic continent myself. (might be just because the sailor nation in fantasy tend to be far north and cold barbaric country ) 

[Windrunner he/him]

I think that may have been the original plan, dyring. Brandon's Elantris glossary on his site says just what you've described.

[Swimmingly he/him]

For all we know, MaiPon's border might be next-door to the Emperor's bedroom. MaiPon is part of the Rose Empire, whose size and composition we know nothing about.

Shai noticed people equating MaiPon and Jindonese culture, which insulted her, but also indicates sufficient distance between the regions that the Grands don't pay much attention to the differences.

[Aether he/him]

Shai noticed people equating MaiPon and Jindonese culture, which insulted her, but also indicates sufficient distance between the regions that the Grands don't pay much attention to the differences.

Yes, but if you look at the map and compare it to what Peter just said, you'll see that it is likely that their departure from Jindo was accompanied with an exodus of some kind, as MaiPon is located far away from Jindo.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Aether

[Swimmingly he/him]

Yes, but if you look at the map and compare it to what Peter just said, you'll see that it is likely that their departure from Jindo was accompanied with an exodus of some kind, as MaiPon is located far away from Jindo.

I didn't even remember about the map. Thanks!

[Haradion Drogon]

What if Teod is situated roughly on the south Pole? And every country so far is on the southern hemisphere?

 

From Teod's perspective, Jindo, Svorden etc is to the south.

 

But if the Rose Empire was further "South" on the map, but North from an observer's perspective, then MaiPon could be located just below Jindo on the Map, and the Rose Empire significantly below that point?

[Aether he/him]

What if Teod is situated roughly on the south Pole? And every country so far is on the southern hemisphere?

 

From Teod's perspective, Jindo, Svorden etc is to the south.

 

But if the Rose Empire was further "South" on the map, but North from an observer's perspective, then MaiPon could be located just below Jindo on the Map, and the Rose Empire significantly below that point?

It would have to be a very small planet, then. I didn't have the feeling that Arelon was very big. Anyway, I suspect we will have to wait for more information before we can know for sure.

[Oudeis he/him]

What if Teod is situated roughly on the south Pole? And every country so far is on the southern hemisphere?

 

From Teod's perspective, Jindo, Svorden etc is to the south.

 

...If Teod were the south pole, surely literally every direction would be north?

[Kurkistan he/him]

Also, the sun/seasons would be noticeably odd.

[Oudeis he/him]

This theory would explain all of the penguins, however. I was wondering about them....

[Swimmingly he/him]

Anyway, Brandon's already used the "Everyone living at the poles" card

in Mistborn, and that required a lot of death, death, death, more death, an angry kinda-god, and giant volcanos everywhere