Mid-Range Game 9: The Steel Ministry

[RippleGylf she/her]

Look, we're starting to get to the point where we don't have many villagers left. We can't afford to kill everyone. That's basically the goal of the skaa.

 

It's also not my fault what metal I have. They're randomly given, and just because a skaa could profit from it more than the village does not mean that anyone who has it is a skaa.

Edited November 10, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Creccio he/him]

My goal right now is to kill said Skaa.

 

Right at this moment er are killing Nico because of reasons...

 

But...

 

I believe Honey is  Skaa because He is truly AFK from the game

You because you are Zinc and I am Zinc and Mail was Zinc, no way 3 zincs on the same team.

 

Also Ripple, If you feel so inclined, lets vote for Honey, shall we? Or do you have any specific reason for Nico? Both Honey and Nico are not contributing at this point

[Meandbooks she/her]

I'm inclined to agree with Ripple, Creccio. I'm a Coppercloud, and for a while I didn't want to reveal my role because I thought it would make me seem suspicious - I can't see much use for it unless I am a skaa, because it requires a lot of foreknowledge to use effectively. Just having a metal that would be useful to the skaa isn't a good reason to lynch somebody.

 

But whatever. Let's lynch Coco first.

[Creccio he/him]

I'm inclined to agree with Ripple, Creccio. I'm a Coppercloud, and for a while I didn't want to reveal my role because I thought it would make me seem suspicious - I can't see much use for it unless I am a skaa, because it requires a lot of foreknowledge to use effectively. Just having a metal that would be useful to the skaa isn't a good reason to lynch somebody.

 

But whatever. Let's lynch Coco first.

 

Books, I understand that and thanks for your input, but when the cycle is over, please kill Badger and then Ripple. I can die afterwards if im wrong about Ripple.

 

Thats all I ask for. Really.

 

Stink, I know your relationship and mine are not the best but... please pursue Ripple and Honey.

[STINK he/him]

Can't change vote on phone.

[Creccio he/him]

Can't change vote on phone.

 Thats Ok, Coco will be sacrificied to Gamma...

 

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RippleGylf (Marie Lepinceau) - Inquisitor Soother

Mailliw73 (Milon Bulvier) - Inquisitor Rioter

Alvom Halbin (Andierre Reynaud) - Inquisitor Pewterarm

Araris Valerian (Arad Penrod) - Inquisitor Seeker

Sart (Mar) - Inquisitor Lurcher

Shallan (Citona Vinid) - Skaa Coppercloud

The Only Joe (Joel Tormander) - Inquisitor Tineye

Orlok (Locke Tekiel) - Inquisitor Pewterarm

Alvron (Jak) - Inquisitor Lurcher

TheMightyLopen (Kellam Lyre) - Skaa Seeker

Wyrmhero (Wyrm Heron) - Inquisitor Seeker

Kipper (Kipper) - Inquisitor Lurcher

Alfa (Ashbringer Fadraux) - Skaa Pewterarm

Deathclutch10 (Shi Kuratchi) - Inquisitor Coinshot

Zephrer (Serech of House Huxer) - Inquisitor Augur

Clanky (Lan) - Inquisitor Coppercloud

Winter Cloud (Sophia Erikell) - Skaa Soother

 

If we count the number of roles and how they have been distributed, I believe that my assumption on Ripple is correct and Books being a coppercloud is not too far out of imagination.

 

We can see the village has:

 

 

2 Pewterarms: This grants decent protection against kills and can save a night for the village unless they get role blocked. The Skaa have 1 in case of coinshot, they can protect themselves.

 

1 Soother village soother and 1 Skaa Soother. Not surprising. each can cancel the other team action under the right circumstance. I believe Coco is a Soother. Making it also 2 for Village and 1 for Skaa

 

We have 2 Seekers, and they also have one Seeker. Which makes it, 2 for he village and 1 for the Skaa...again.

 

I believe in Meandbooks. He IS a coppercloud and that, coupled with clanky would have made 2 for the village and 3 for the Skaa.

 

Can we see a pattern here?

 

Just based on the information above and the pattern followed by not 1, but by ALL the Skaa team it is safe to assume that the Skaa team have also a Zinc player to disrupt actions like Seeking/Coins in case they were out of charges of soothing totally or they somehow got information of who is shooting the coin.

 

Also, out of the mentioned above, only the Soother and the Seeker can be successful Riots for the town Rioters. That would render the Town Riots on the Skaa team to be completely useless, but if we see the  Village composition, there is plenty of targets to choose from.

 

There are 3 lurchers, 2 coinshots, 2 seekrs and 2 soothers 2 rioters, for a total of 11 targets, and saying it is Ripple and Honey, that would make 6 Skaa.

 

26 total players - 6 (they wont use it on themsleves) = 20 - 11 = 9 players the Riot would have no effect on. Of those 9, there is Tin which would only know they got Rioted and nothing more. Pewter in which nothing Happens and Coopers, which cant even be targeted by.

 

Good to mention here before i get my math called out, I did not consider golds or Atium, why? mainly because i just dont have all the information regarding who has said metals but yea, math still checks out if we add gold and atium would just kill them on the spot so yea...

 

So, that is really fast my reasoning as of why I think Ripple's Zinc is Skaa Zinc.

 

I am going to die tonight for sure, but that is ok.

 

Stink, Books and the other actives, please lynch Ripple for being a Skaa Rioter based on game composition and Honey Badger based on inactivity.

 

I know this is really meta-gamey but, after some backtracing and reading it works.... Please trust in me as much as I trust in you guys <3

 

EDIT: Disclaimer.. I might be wrong and If i dont die tonight I will have to rethink this

Edited November 10, 2015 by Creccio

[Haelbarde he/him]

Would you guys mind if I end the cycle early? Like 45min early? Could do with getting an early night but don't want to unfairly disadvantage anyone by moving the end forward unexpectedly. If I get 3 yes's in thread, I'll end it early. Edited November 10, 2015 by Gamma Friend

[Creccio he/him]

Oui

Yes

Si

 

Thats yes in 3 languages though... >_>

 

I feel everyone is asleep Gamma so yea...  Go sleep man, you deserve it

[STINK he/him]

Yeah sure.

[Creccio he/him]

Stink, please read my wall of text when you get enough time for it please

[STINK he/him]

I'm a Soother BTW. And yeah I read it but nothing I can do.

[Creccio he/him]

Well, That completes the trio of soothers then...

 

carry my legacy Stink, i believe

 

EDIT:

 

If i die that is...

Edited November 10, 2015 by Creccio

[Haelbarde he/him]

Bah, I'm just going to call that the end of this cycle. Write up coming as soon as it lets me post again.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Gamma Friend

[Haelbarde he/him]

Cycle 10: Restless Slumber

Coco had been pleased with how the other day had gone. With Serech Huxer dead, bringing dishonor to his House, she new her own House stood to gain. Not only that, as one of the remaining of the Grimm's students, she stood a fair chance at becoming a full inquistor. Surely they must be close to finding the last of the skaa, right? There was only one problem. She was just so tired. She wondered if it had something to do with the fact she couldn't recall having eaten anything for over a week. Nah, can't be that. She decided she'd have a nap now, and then try and work out why she was still always so tired, even with all the sleep she had had.

She woke to see people sitting and walking along the roof. She contemplated the thought. I wonder how they're doing that. Are they Coinshot's too? Then she realized she was moving backwards. She wasn't too concerned though. I wonder why I'm getting dizzy. But again, she decided she'd rest, and think about that later. She dropped off quickly, but got only a few moments until she was dropped on her head. Oh. I was being carried upside down. That's why there were people sitting on the roof. Looking up, she saw Grimm's grin. I can't think why he'd be happy about now. Isn't anyone else tired. She didn't react when he started cutting into her. Nor did she pay much attention to what he was saying. Eventually, everything stopped....

As Coco breathed her last, Grimm was sorta annoyed. Seriously? No reaction at all? What was the point of this all if he got no satisfaction from it? At least he could collect her spike, stashing it in his pack, along with the other 18. It's getting close. Only a few more to go...

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<unnamed> was walking. He'd be sitting around for ages, and just needed to go stretch his legs. As he walked, he thought about what had happened, and what he was aiming for. So far, he hadn't needed to go as far as <> for the cause yet, but he still would. And when the time came, who ever it was would learn to fear <>. But then he tripped over, and someone stepped onto him. A voice spoke. "See the thing about black tape is no one will know, or even care that you're gone. And you thought you were so clever." Then suddenly the light disappeared.

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Nicocoberru was lynched. They were an Inquisitor Coinshot.
IrulelikeSTINK died. They were an Inquisitor Soother.

Vote Tally:
Nicocoberru(4): RippleGylf, Creccio, IrulelikeSTINK, Meandbooks

Note that I've brought the end of cycle time forward by 1 hour. So keep that in mind going forward.

Player List:

 

1. Venture Mistborn (Maxisum)
2. Creccio (Inor Haze)
3. The Honey Badger (Dagbert Honerion)
4. polkinghornbd (Elijah)
5. Kasimir(Ripple) (Koschei Jerzy)
6. Phattemer (Axies)
7. Meandbooks (Ailyth)

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RippleGylf (Marie Lepinceau) - Inquisitor Soother
Mailliw73 (Milon Bulvier) - Inquisitor Rioter
Alvom Halbin (Andierre Reynaud) - Inquisitor Pewterarm
Araris Valerian (Arad Penrod) - Inquisitor Seeker
Sart (Mar) - Inquisitor Lurcher
Shallan (Citona Vinid) - Skaa Coppercloud
The Only Joe (Joel Tormander) - Inquisitor Tineye
Orlok (Locke Tekiel) - Inquisitor Pewterarm
Alvron (Jak) - Inquisitor Lurcher
TheMightyLopen (Kellam Lyre) - Skaa Seeker
Wyrmhero (Wyrm Heron) - Inquisitor Seeker
Kipper (Kipper) - Inquisitor Lurcher
Alfa (Ashbringer Fadraux) - Skaa Pewterarm
Deathclutch10 (Shi Kuratchi) - Inquisitor Coinshot
Zephrer (Serech of House Huxer) - Inquisitor Augur
Clanky (Lan) - Inquisitor Coppercloud
Winter Cloud (Sophia Erikell) - Skaa Soother
IrulelikeSTINK (No Name) - Inquisitor Soother
Nicocoberru (Coco) - Inquisitor Coinshot

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Edited October 29, 2016 by Alvron

[Creccio he/him]

HoneyBadger

 

Also, I posted my reasoning on Ripple last cycle, i can put it forward again if need be.

 

Actually, what am I doing? Why vote for the inactive who cant affect decisions... sigh, silly Creccio

 

Ripple

 

RippleGylf (Marie Lepinceau) - Inquisitor Soother
Mailliw73 (Milon Bulvier) - Inquisitor Rioter
Alvom Halbin (Andierre Reynaud) - Inquisitor Pewterarm
Araris Valerian (Arad Penrod) - Inquisitor Seeker
Sart (Mar) - Inquisitor Lurcher
Shallan (Citona Vinid) - Skaa Coppercloud
The Only Joe (Joel Tormander) - Inquisitor Tineye
Orlok (Locke Tekiel) - Inquisitor Pewterarm
Alvron (Jak) - Inquisitor Lurcher
TheMightyLopen (Kellam Lyre) - Skaa Seeker
Wyrmhero (Wyrm Heron) - Inquisitor Seeker
Kipper (Kipper) - Inquisitor Lurcher
Alfa (Ashbringer Fadraux) - Skaa Pewterarm
Deathclutch10 (Shi Kuratchi) - Inquisitor Coinshot
Zephrer (Serech of House Huxer) - Inquisitor Augur
Clanky (Lan) - Inquisitor Coppercloud
Winter Cloud (Sophia Erikell) - Skaa Soother

 

If we count the number of roles and how they have been distributed, I believe that my assumption on Ripple is correct and Books being a coppercloud is not too far out of imagination.

 

We can see the village has:

 

2 Pewterarms: This grants decent protection against kills and can save a night for the village unless they get role blocked. The Skaa have 1 in case of coinshot, they can protect themselves.

 

1 Soother village soother and 1 Skaa Soother. Not surprising. each can cancel the other team action under the right circumstance. I believe Coco is a Soother. Making it also 2 for Village and 1 for Skaa

 

We have 2 Seekers, and they also have one Seeker. Which makes it, 2 for he village and 1 for the Skaa...again.

 

I believe in Meandbooks. He IS a coppercloud and that, coupled with clanky would have made 2 for the village and 3 for the Skaa.

 

Can we see a pattern here?

 

Just based on the information above and the pattern followed by not 1, but by ALL the Skaa team it is safe to assume that the Skaa team have also a Zinc player to disrupt actions like Seeking/Coins in case they were out of charges of soothing totally or they somehow got information of who is shooting the coin.

 

Also, out of the mentioned above, only the Soother and the Seeker can be successful Riots for the town Rioters. That would render the Town Riots on the Skaa team to be completely useless, but if we see the  Village composition, there is plenty of targets to choose from.

 

There are 3 lurchers, 2 coinshots, 2 seekrs and 2 soothers 2 rioters, for a total of 11 targets, and saying it is Ripple and Honey, that would make 6 Skaa.

 

26 total players - 6 (they wont use it on themsleves) = 20 - 11 = 9 players the Riot would have no effect on. Of those 9, there is Tin which would only know they got Rioted and nothing more. Pewter in which nothing Happens and Coopers, which cant even be targeted by.

 

Good to mention here before i get my math called out, I did not consider golds or Atium, why? mainly because i just dont have all the information regarding who has said metals but yea, math still checks out if we add gold and atium would just kill them on the spot so yea...

 

So, that is really fast my reasoning as of why I think Ripple's Zinc is Skaa Zinc.

 

Books and the other actives, please lynch Ripple for being a Skaa Rioter based on game composition and Honey Badger based on inactivity.

 

I know this is really meta-gamey but, after some backtracing and reading it works.... Please trust in me as much as I trust in you guys <3

 

 

Books, PLEASE vote with me.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Creccio

[phattemer]

Ok, I'll agree. Ripple

In case you didn't see already, I'm an Augur with 1 charge.

[Creccio he/him]

Also,, Coinshot, if you are out there somewhere, go kill Honey if possible, thanks for your services....

 

EDIT:

 

NVM, the coinshot is dead >_>

Edited November 10, 2015 by Creccio

[polkinghornbd he/him]

The only problem, unless you factored this one, is that I am a coppercloud too.

Also, you said three skaa coppers, but there was only one

Edited November 10, 2015 by polkinghornbd

[RippleGylf she/her]

I still don't understand your argument against me, Creccio. Your reasoning solely on what role I have seems flawed, and assumes that the GM purposefully picked what roles everyone had. Is it not equally possible that they were handed out randomly? I feel like the skaa at the moment are trying to kill discussion. Think about it: Stink was one of the more active players, and he gets killed. Before that, Clanky, one of the few players doing analysis, was killed. DeathClutch before that, and you get the idea. They're trying to kill activity so that they can effectively swoop in and take the lynch. Now, you're trying to lynch one of the few active people left. It is not silly to try and eliminate suspicious inactives when the eliminators are doing the opposite. Throughout most of the game, you seemed pretty innocent. Now... with the goal in sight, have you just dropped pretenses? We can't simply lynch on roles, but behavior as well. And your behavior seems off to me.

 

And phatt, you seem really quick to jump on to Creccio's reasoning, which is never a good sign. Jumping on to someone else's reasoning without any proof of your own seems like a good way to lurk without attracting suspicion for inactivity.

 

EDIT: I suppose it is hard with what little info we have, but I would at least like to know why you are agreeing with Creccio.

Edited November 10, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Meandbooks she/her]

Creccio, I'm still not convinced that the roles aren't entirely random, which would completely invalidate your argument if that was the case. And what Ripple says about the skaa trying to kill discussion makes a lot of sense.

 

Although, Ripple, I don't really blame phatt for agreeing with Creccio really quickly. I mean, last round we basically picked someone at random and agreed to lynch them. It's hard, with the lack of information.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Meandbooks

[phattemer]

Meand, roles are never completely random. If they were, there would at least be some balancing so the Eliminators didn't end up with 4 Coinshots. Not that that would be a bad thing... :ph34r:

But, more to the point, I agree with Creccio because Deathclutch has been mainly right so far.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Where does she mention DeathClutch?

[Creccio he/him]

Where does she mention DeathClutch?

 

Nowhere actually...

 

@Polk

 

Typos are the bane of my existence, i meant 1 Skaa copper.

 

Anyway, if you are a copper it would make 3 coppers for the town, which STILL makes sense, because out the the about 11 targets, you could copper 3 and still have 8 viable targets. That is assuming the Skaa Rioter targets the same person as you AND that person burns. if we make those probabilities 0.5 each we get

 

0.5^3 which comes out to 0.125, or 12% chance for the coppers to actually work. Coupled with player bias to burn or not, and what metal they have, it goes down to well under 10%.

 

And that is saying they target the same person, and out of 11, that is a tall order. 3 coppers seems completely fine.

 

I see a 10% chance to cancel 3 off the skaa team is a pretty good chance... ( Riot, Sooth or Seek).

 

Ripple, I do believe it is you. I will have to kill you once again it seems.

 

Edit: Added a sentence for the math >_>

Edited November 11, 2015 by Creccio

[Meandbooks she/her]

Hmm, I'm not going to vote just yet. I can't decide who's more likely to be skaa.

 

Phatt, can you remind me of Deathclutch's reasoning for Ripple to be skaa? You said you agree with Creccio because Deathclutch has been right so far. But I'm not sure where/why Deathclutch said that and I don't have time to go digging through the threads.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

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