natc Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I have this suspicion that a kandra would not hear the rhythms and would thus be completely unconvincing. 1
DreamEternal Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I have this suspicion that a kandra would not hear the rhythms and would thus be completely unconvincing. Perhaps a kandra disguising as a parshman to spy on the alethi?
Blaze1616 he/him Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I just can't imagine that it isn't supposed to be a Parshendi. It seems so obvious to me. No, that's not exactly how I imagine that Parshendi look, but it is a drawing based on a description from a disturbed adventurer who barely got a look at it. So there are no gems in the beard, and the markings are symmetrical in a way that Parshendi's probably are not. It's not like the subject sat for a portrait. I bet this is going to turn into a Who Killed Asmodean thing. It was supposed to be obvious, but since no one got it, Brandon's not gonna tell us. And let me tell you, I am gonna be so mad if we find out that it was totally a Parshendi like 20 years from now. My thing is, glowing gemstones is kinda a big deal. I know that if I was witnessing some monster rise out of a lake, and it had glowing gemstones in its hair, I'd take note. To be able to describe the detail that the witness did, but not take note of glowing gemstones is just really, really weird.
KC Hammer Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Would the gemstones be glowing with stormlight in Scadrial? Do we know that the investiture of stormlight would still exist that way on another world? It could be there were non-glowing gemstones in their beards. Also even if it does work, they have uncut gemstones, they don't glow very much or hold it for very long
DreamEternal Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Couldn't the parshendi just go without the gemstones? It is not really the core of their cultural identity.
Blaze1616 he/him Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Would the gemstones be glowing with stormlight in Scadrial? Do we know that the investiture of stormlight would still exist that way on another world? It could be there were non-glowing gemstones in their beards. Also even if it does work, they have uncut gemstones, they don't glow very much or hold it for very long I don't see why not. Spoilers for Stormlight Archive below: Allomancy works the same on Roshar (thank you Hoid), and from what we can tell thus far Breaths work the same too (again thank you Hoid), so I don't see why taking Stormlight to Scadrial would suddenly change things. In addition, if the Stormlight bleeds out of Parshendi gemstones "quickly," then I don't see how Kaladin could have used them for power on the Tower at the end of WoK. From the comments made about the Weeping, gems tend to lose their glow in 3 weeks. I suppose it's possible that the Parshendi could be long past 3 weeks since leaving Roshar, but we have no idea, so it doesn't really help either argument. I'm not trying to say it's definitely not a Parshendi, but a lack of gemstones is really hard for me to look past. Edit: Couldn't the parshendi just go without the gemstones? It is not really the core of their cultural identity. When we've never been told by anyone in SA that some Parshendi go without gems in their beards, I don't see why that would be a reasonable assumption. If it has been noted in SA, then sure, we could assume that, but until then no. Perhaps I've missed a mention, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned. Edited October 23, 2015 by Blaze1616
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I'm not sold either way (pretty sure that was Brandon's idea) but gem stones or no gemstones there is distinctively a beard. I think that is something that would have been described in SA regarding Iyatil's mask. Also her eyes being described as dark seems different to me than piercing in the broadsheet. Again though it's an eyewitness account that is then written in a broadsheet no telling what info was added or omitted. It's not like the lady that saw the visitor drew the picture too. I think the lack of gem stones is not evidence enough to lean torward Iyatil although I do think it makes a lot more sense it's her.
Shardbearer he/him Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 Maybe they do have gemstones, they were drained by going into and out of the Cognitive Realm? 2
DreamEternal Posted October 23, 2015 Posted October 23, 2015 I don't see why not. Spoilers for Stormlight Archive below: Allomancy works the same on Roshar (thank you Hoid), and from what we can tell thus far Breaths work the same too (again thank you Hoid), so I don't see why taking Stormlight to Scadrial would suddenly change things. In addition, if the Stormlight bleeds out of Parshendi gemstones "quickly," then I don't see how Kaladin could have used them for power on the Tower at the end of WoK. From the comments made about the Weeping, gems tend to lose their glow in 3 weeks. I suppose it's possible that the Parshendi could be long past 3 weeks since leaving Roshar, but we have no idea, so it doesn't really help either argument. I'm not trying to say it's definitely not a Parshendi, but a lack of gemstones is really hard for me to look past. Edit: When we've never been told by anyone in SA that some Parshendi go without gems in their beards, I don't see why that would be a reasonable assumption. If it has been noted in SA, then sure, we could assume that, but until then no. Perhaps I've missed a mention, but I don't recall it ever being mentioned. The problem is that if it is such a crucial part of their culture why it isn't given more than some passing mentions in Eshonai's PoV? It is probably just some minor cultural element that can be abandoned temporaly if it is harmful.
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 It doesn't help that the Broadsheet is in black and white (which i get why it is) which only narrows down the mystery. The colouring of the visitor's body is hinted at either so we can't know if the distinctive black/white/reddish tint of Parshendi was there
Blaze1616 he/him Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 The problem is that if it is such a crucial part of their culture why it isn't given more than some passing mentions in Eshonai's PoV? It is probably just some minor cultural element that can be abandoned temporaly if it is harmful. I kind of disagree. If it is so crucial, why would she mention it in passing? She'd have no reason to. For example, if a book were to be written in which the setting were a community of Sikhs, I do not expect Sikh characters to comment on turbans. Perhaps if the PoV were a male, then they might comment on how they tie their turban before going out in public, but otherwise I don't expect them to say "Ah, look at all the turbans today! How fantastic!" That said, I'm not trying to be the stick in the mud here, merely trying to show that a lack of gems points to the thing not being a Parshendi.
Shardbearer he/him Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 They did remove their gems at the Battle of the Tower, after they witnessed Kaladin sucking in the Stormlight. I don't remember whether WoR commented on whether they continued to wear them or not. And who's to say things haven't changed during the course of SA 3-5?
bassTbone Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I don't think we should use the picture at all. Whoever drew the picture likely is drawing whatever they want based on the same description in the text. If we follow the picture, it will be like the telephone game where the message changes. I think we should only use the text from the witness. 2
Ari he/him Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 I don't think we should use the picture at all. Whoever drew the picture likely is drawing whatever they want based on the same description in the text. If we follow the picture, it will be like the telephone game where the message changes. I think we should only use the text from the witness. Yeah I was completely ignoring the picture on the same basis.
Cadmium he/him Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Somewhat tangent to this conversation, how did this "parshendi" get to a Shardpool is the Southern Roughs? The only confirmed Shardpool on Roshar is in the Horneater Peaks in Eastern Jah Keved. That's a far distance from the Shattered Plains. That just got my wheels turning. Also, which Shardpool is that in the Southern Roughs? Is Preservation's pool still under Elendel? (Is Elendel close to old Luthadel?) Is the former site of the Pits of Hathsin now in the Southern Roughs or did one of the pools completely relocate in the Catacendre?
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Somewhat tangent to this conversation, how did this "parshendi" get to a Shardpool is the Southern Roughs? The only confirmed Shardpool on Roshar is in the Horneater Peaks in Eastern Jah Keved. That's a far distance from the Shattered Plains. That just got my wheels turning. Also, which Shardpool is that in the Southern Roughs? Is Preservation's pool still under Elendel? (Is Elendel close to old Luthadel?) Is the former site of the Pits of Hathsin now in the Southern Roughs or did one of the pools completely relocate in the Catacendre? Everything is basically in Elendel now so the shard pool in the broadsheet possible Harmony's?
Cadmium he/him Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Everything is basically in Elendel now so the shard pool in the broadsheet possible Harmony's? Okay I went and checked the portion of SoS where Wax is in the Kandra Homeland and reread the section where they walk past the Lord Ruler's Terris Hut that is now in those caverns. Wax thinks that the Well of Ascension could be under Rashek's hut, but it doesn't confirm that it is. He talks about climbing up the cliff that was the Pits of Hathsin and all the glowy lichen, but it doesn't confirm if Ruin's shardpool is still under those pits. Possible that Ruin's pool moved and the pits stayed. I'm not sure that Harmony has a single Shardpool. I think there are still two shardpools on Scadrial, one for each Shard as Sazed is very clear that he holds the power of Ruin and Preservation, not that he now holds the power of Harmony. Edited October 31, 2015 by midnightyell
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 I'm of the opinion there are two pools and the beginnings of a third/thee two are merging/leaking into a third
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