Bloodfalcon he/him Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Speaking of your sig: did you mean to say "conformable," or is that a spelling error? Spelling error! I've been taking speed typing lessons and I have a 99% accuracy most times, but.... there it is.
marianmi Posted November 3, 2013 Author Posted November 3, 2013 Spren are attracted to gems - of particular type and cut. Spren are attracted to persons - that act in particular ways. I am sure that gemhearts are special, especially since they are the only thing that can "trap" stormlight. I don't think that it's a coincidence that gems can trap both spren (splinters) and stormlight (investiture). I would not be surprised if gems are the "physical body" of a shard (which one... that's interesting; if it's only one and not many). This would explain why chasmfiends are seen as "gods" by the parshendi. About spren, I agree that they represent the gateway - they do not modify the sDNA, or at least not permanently, only while the Bond is in place. About stormlight - I had similar thoughts, that during a Highstorm the spiritual "leaks" in the physical, so you have stormlight a direct representation of the spiritual power. You have the human (physical), the spren (link to cognitive), and the stormlight (spiritual). It's not clear why you need the cognitive here though, since in the other books there was no cognitive aspect in performing magic.
Argent he/him Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 I am not convinced that spren are attracted to certain gems. We know a gemstone of a specific type and cut can imprisoned certain type(s) of spren, but it's very possible that you need to "summon" the spren using conventional methods. In fact, nothing we've seen suggests that spren are attracted by gemstones.
Gloom he/him Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) I agree with you on that Argent. I would assume that if you have a gemstone of the correct type and cut you may be able to trap a flamespren if you place it in a fire, but if I seriously doubt the spren will be attracted to the gem based on its type and cut alone. I also doubt you could capture a bonding spren without a great deal of effort, far beyond what you would need to capture an ordinary spren. Edited November 3, 2013 by Gloom
Shardlet he/him Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 It's not clear why you need the cognitive here though, since in the other books there was no cognitive aspect in performing magic. I disagree. In Awakening, there seems to be a strong cognitive aspect in the commands.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 I disagree. In Awakening, there seems to be a strong cognitive aspect in the commands. This is true, if a little understated. Awakening is the only confirmed instance of a cognitive focus, the Commands. (Sel and Scadrial both have physical foci, and we have no idea what Roshar has) @marianmi - On cognitive stuff, there is always a cognitive aspect to magic. Forgery, for example, deals directly with an object's cognitive aspect. On gemhearts being the body of a shard, I don't know. We do know that gemhearts are formed by a leak from the spiritual into the physical similar to how atium was produced...
marianmi Posted November 3, 2013 Author Posted November 3, 2013 There is a cognitive aspect, but not as big as a spren, which is a cognitive-only construction. Can you say that the "intent" of performing a surge is a cognitive aspect? If yes, why the spren?... In any case, human physical + spren cognitive + stormlight spiritual seems a good fit.
Kurkistan he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) There is a cognitive aspect, but not as big as a spren, which is a cognitive-only construction. Can you say that the "intent" of performing a surge is a cognitive aspect? If yes, why the spren?... In any case, human physical + spren cognitive + stormlight spiritual seems a good fit. Well Honorspren, at least, are Splinters. And Splinters are "a blend" of the Cognitive and Spiritual. So no, it is not fair to describe spren (at least in terms of bonding-spren, or at the very lest in terms of Syl) as "cognitive-only". Edited November 4, 2013 by Kurkistan
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 I am beginning to think spren behave in a manner slightly tweaked from what we have posted here based on the Lift Interlude. It looks as though there are certain beings that assign bonds. We have this attraction theory based off of normal spren nature and based off of Syl/Kaladin, but I could see that easily being our perception of things due to Syl's memory loss. Wyndle was assigned even though he did not have any particular interest in Lift, but I could see her actions AFTER that bond strengthening it. Anyone else see this being a possibility? I'd love some examples that challenge it.
The Rooster he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 Do you think when WoR comes out you will be able to avoid the Ars Arcanum until you've finished the book? In the Mistborn trilogy the Arcanum information became more and more enlightening to the point of being spoilery in HoA. I have a feeling the specificity of information, especially the table concerning the heralds, gemstones and focus essences will step it up a notch probably confirming speculation on which orders are associated and giving proper names for surges. I'd like to think I'll read thru without looking ahead but who am I kidding? I'm going to peek forward and see what's happening.
Kurkistan he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) I'm generally good about waiting. I tend not to read book blurbs, let alone skip to the index. I just recently managed to read a non-fiction piece and not figure out its non-fictitious nature until the afterward. Edited November 4, 2013 by Kurkistan
Argent he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 @Bloodfalcon, it's possible but we really don't have enough information to make a conclusion like that. Words of Radiance / Steelhunt We have a limited perspective on the Kaladin/Syl bond, and a different but equally limited perspective on the Lift/Wyndle one. I talked about it in some other thread - the Ring could be almost anything. They could govern Wyndle specifically, or they could govern all the spren that share the same type as Wyndle. Or they could govern a larger set of spren, perhaps the ones that have more Cultivation than Honor in them. Or they could govern all bondspren.
Shardlet he/him Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 Guys, remember, this is not the appropriate place for steelhunt stuff (even in spoiler tags) until the admins give us the nod on it. Since a code is essentially available to anyone on the site who would like to have one, I get it that it seems that the beast has been unchained. But, remember that the admins put the ban in place and that they have not yet lifted that ban (that I am aware of).
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