Mailliw73 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) It's more the attributes rather than the powers, but I just checked and Ethrien and I made an error. The Skybreakers' attributes are learned/giving not just/confident. I just followed his list but now checking realized that just/confident are Palah's order. I think those attributes fit him well, but that even less likely in my opinion that Dalinar will have Illumination and Growth. I'm changing that one to Dustbringer with Brave/Obedient, he is very much both of those. Edit:Windrunner corrected me, the typo was in TWoK not in Ethrien's post. Sorry, Ethrien. Edited October 25, 2013 by Mailliw73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Obedient? ) Maybe Renarin or Adolin, but not Dalinar. Renarin, would be fun if his weakness has something to do with a spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 He is very obedient. He is the only one to strictly follow the Codes exactly. He lives by that. He doesn't disobey anyone directly, that I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 It's more the attributes rather than the powers, but I just checked and Ethrien and I made an error. The Skybreakers' attributes are learned/giving not just/confident. I just followed his list but now checking realized that just/confident are Palah's order. I think those attributes fit him well, but that even less likely in my opinion that Dalinar will have Illumination and Growth. I'm changing that one to Dustbringer with Brave/Obedient, he is very much both of those.Ethrien did not make an error. That's a typo in TWoK. The attributes associated with Nalan are indeed just/confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Oh, it is? That makes more sense, I thought that was weird. Well, now I'm confused. He is so perfect for too many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Skybreaker? That's even more crazy than wind runner Do you see dalinar lashing and flying? I don't believe that I saw Kaladin lashing till about a year after his bond began to form. He still isn't very good at it. We still haven't see Kaladin flying, though his Order was capable of doing so. If the crisis theory is correct, and I don't think it necessarily has to apply, we don't know Jasnahs story after all. Then Dalinars conflict could be with his ability to lead confidently and justly as easily as anything else. I do not believe Dalinar has yet attracted a spren due to him carrying a shardblade (we know Syl's reaction was negative toward's it) The presumption that has been floating around for quite a while that spren avoid people with Shards has been proven wrong. This would have occurred sooner, but for the debate about whether or not Cryptics were bonding spren. Now that Cryptics have been confirmed to be bonding spren by WoB, we can put to rest the theory that no bonding spren will bond to a Shardbearer. Shallan has a Shardblade, and she has been bonded. I don't doubt that some spren types will avoid Shardbearers, but this is not an absolute. A bond can and has been made with a Shardbearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 The fact that Dalinar uses his Shardblade so much more often than Shallan remains, however. Spren are Cognitive/Physical creatures. Shardblades, if recent theories are on the right track, are Spiritual/Physical. So if Shallan keeps her Blade away, spren would take no issue with her. Moreover, we don't know whether all spren experience the same level of dislike towards Shardblades as Syl. Maybe only honorspren are disgusted by it. Maybe Syl, as an individual, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Speaking of Dalinar and stone, one of the things that bothered me when I read the book last was that during the Chasm Fiend hunt, just before they saw it, the ground shook and Dalinar thought 'earthquake?' Roshar is Seismically inactive, so where the heck did he get the word earthquake? Rockslide I could see, asking if a building collapsed, etc. but earthquake? Definitely Stoneward PS: I voted Skybreaker Edited October 26, 2013 by Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 So far, on the poll, Stoneward has over double the amount of votes any of the others have and Bondsmiths have none. (you are all falling into my trap. Mwahaha.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Well, I did not vote because we don't know exactly what a bondsmith is But I do think he is going to be order #10, if he is to become a KR. Let's not forget that he might be the one dead before his book, and it would be easier to die if he was not a KR. The fact that he is following the codes does not make him obedient since he will make everyone follow the codes, then they will all be in the same order because they are obedient? ) While he does exhibit many attributes - including just and confident - I see him having conflict both with pious - because of the visions - and guiding - because he wants to relinquish leadership. From others orders, he has conflict with one or none. While it might be that the reason he has not been bonded was the shard blade and not the lack of attributes, it would make a lot of sense to me to be #10. You can pick any soldier to be brave and obedient. Who can you think of being pious and guiding? PS - if an unbonded person thinks earthquake when the earth shakes because of a giant animal, it does not mean he will be a stonewarden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Wait, what? Someone's supposed to die before their own book?! I never heard that piece of info before. He doesn't really make everyone follow the Codes. Even if he did, that's not really obedience, that's doing something to not get in trouble. He's the only one who follows the codes because they should. I do like the conflict theory, but I don't think it really has to be a requirement. I updated the poll's options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Obedience is when you follow something even if you don't believe it. You obey. BS reordered the books (dalinar's was supposed to be book 2, now is book 5) and said that even if dalinar's book is 5, it does not mean that he will survive until then, similar for szeth, his book being #3. Since his book was actually pushed to #3 instead if #4, I think that it's dalinar the one to die. Probably in book 3, szeth's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Oh that's interesting, I didn't know that. I so hope Dalinar doesn't die, but I also know that he is a prime choice for one of the standard Sanderson-main-character-death. I think real obedience is where you choose to obey, whether or not that's the true definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Wait, what? Someone's supposed to die before their own book?! I never heard that piece of info before. We don't know that. Brandon did, however, say multiple times that even if a character (e.g. Dalinar) is the flashback character of a certain book (e.g. #5), it doesn't mean that he will survive until that book. In other words, Kaladin can die in Words of Radiance, but Book #10 could feature his second set of flashback chapters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) That would be something.... poor Syl... The ting is, if Kaladin dies, Syl will be gone too... that's too many "main" characters So an unbounded Dalinar would make more sense... of course, after he translates all the visions to Navani (poor Navani). No matter how you look at it, the Szeth - Kaladin encounter will be damaging. Of course, unless they are interrupted by a voidbringer Just like it makes sense for Ym to die... we don't want Darkness to miss all his targets now, and we like Lift too much Edited October 28, 2013 by marianmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Please edit the last line of the above post to remove WoR spoilers. This is one of the reasons why a lot people feel that if a focus character is going to die early on and still have flashbacks later, it would almost have to be either Dalinar or Szeth. I'm of the opinion that Kaladin is too central to the story at the moment to kill. It would be like killing off Luke Skywalker ten minutes into The Empire Strikes Back and expecting Han Solo to carry the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 That would be something.... poor Syl... The ting is, if Kaladin dies, Syl will be gone too... that's too many "main" characters So an unbounded Dalinar would make more sense... of course, after he translates all the visions to Navani (poor Navani). No matter how you look at it, the Szeth - Kaladin encounter will be damaging. Of course, unless they are interrupted by a voidbringer Just like it makes sense for Ym to die... we don't want Darkness to miss all his targets now, and we like Lift too much I would really put that last bit about Ym in spoiler tags since that is super spoilery. If you want to discuss WoR stuff in the main stormlight forum stuff like that needs to be in spoiler tags out of respect for those who don't want to be spoiled. Even if it is just an off-hand reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Well, Honor himself just voted for Stoneward. I think I win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think we should wait for a decision until March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Hopefully it's in WoR. It better be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have maintained for some time that Dalinar is/will be in order 8 (resolute/builder). I will continue to maintain this until I turn blue in the face, or until proven wrong. As somebody noted on the other thread, our potential Radiants seem to all have conflicts over their Order's defining traits, Kaladin with leadership, Shallan with honesty, etc. Dalinar's conflict in book 1 was all about his lack of certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aether Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 I will continue to maintain this until I turn blue in the face, or until proven wrong. So, even if you're proven to be right, you'll continue until you get blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblkickd Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) The new WoR jacket flap text (link, with a nod to gruntle pointing it out) provides some nice hints that Dalinar is a Bondsmith and uses the world 'rebuild' that sounds soooo Order #8/Kalak. Edited December 5, 2013 by treblkickd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 The new WoR jacket flap text (link, with a nod to grundle pointing it out) provides some nice hints that Dalinar is a Bondsmith and uses the world 'rebuild' that sounds soooo Order #8/Kalak. I'm afraid 'dems are fightin' words. Kalak's order has Transportation. What does Transportation have to do with a Bondsmith? Nothing, I say! Bondsmiths are clearly Order 10, which has Pressure (which Szeth and Kaladin use to bind things) and Surface Tension (which can be used to make cloth rock-hard or something?). Also, this appears to confirm Dalinar as a Radiant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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