Szeth Will Die And Respawn

[Oudeis he/him]

I'm still suspicious that radiant blades only make you a Lighteyes while the sword is wielded. We know the legends say you become a Lighteyes if you win a set of shards, but there are no actual examples of that in the text.

 

This is something I want to hear a LOT more about. It's something a few kids were throwing around, so clearly not reliable sources, but then when Kaladin asked his father, a presumably educated man, his reply was, "oh that only happens sometimes." What? I've got nothing, I need more. I feel like if shardblades tended to cause darkeyes to literally have glowing eyes, that's something his father wouldn't have brushed off as a vague curiosity, like how you or I might talk about someone being double-jointed.

[hoser he/him]

I'm saying we've seen too little of Honorblades to be sure they're different from Szeth's. We've never see one used, and we've barely seen one summoned. And I'm suggesting that it is possible (and very Sanderson-like) to hide something big and important in plain sight. I'm saying there have been a LOT of instances of the "modern" Shardblade, and it's possible one is different, but looks like any other Blade because no one knows enough to think it's special.

 

 

I'm not saying this is definitely proven true, I'm saying it's possible, given our limited information. And I'd like to point out that you aren't rebutting a single other point I've made.  You seem to be putting the onus of proof on me, and I don't accept it. You've proven that this theory isn't fact, but you haven't disproven it. It remains plausible.

 

 

I'm still suspicious that radiant blades only make you a Lighteyes while the sword is wielded. We know the legends say you become a Lighteyes if you win a set of shards, but there are no actual examples of that in the text. In fact, the only set we hear about being won by non shard-bearers was claimed by a Lighteyed archer who probably didn't get the killing blow. Those shards likely should have gone to one of the darkeyed spearmen that were swarming over the downed warrior.

Well, I am sure of nothing except that Brandon is leading us down some false trails where the obvious answer is not the final answer.  Given my general accuracy, you should probably soulcast some salt deposits before reading any of my posts . 

 

One of the only tools I have to figure this stuff out is Occam's Razor.  If Brandon gives us a world with Shardblades and lighteyed nobility and an explanation for how that came to be, I accept that unless I can find a solution that better explains something else.  I can't disprove any theory not directly contradicted by WoB.  I do think that a more complicated theory needs more of an explanation. 

 

If we accept Dalinar's vision of the Recreance, I think the radiants were "generally" the only lighteyes and the main people with Shardblades at that time.  After the Recreance, we have a source of blades and, if the blades cause a permanent change in eye color, a simple process of might makes right leads us to a lighteyed nobility based on the information in the text. 

 

If you want to say that the blades we see in Alethi society are not the ones we saw distributed at the Recreance, then I think you should explain where the new blades came from and what happened to the old ones because there is no support for it in the text and it seems difficult and complicated.  The onus of explanation is on you because you've created a story with no textual support that is counter to the story that is written in the text. 

 

One problem is why Syl hates Dalinar's weapon.  There are many possible explanations:

• Only a Radiant bound to 5 oaths should bear a Shardblade
• It has an uncontrolled bloody history
• Radiants should create their own Shardblades
• Radiants should be provided shardblades by their spren
• Radiants should be provided shardblades by Honor
• the Shardblades changed after the Recreance
• the Shardblades were corrupted by Odium
• Only a Radiant with a spren should bear a Shardplate
• Syl has some association w/all Shardblades of that class
• Syl has some association w/that particular Shardblade
• The shardblades that the radiants abandoned at the Recreance are gone.  These are different shardblades that got distributed somehow that Syl hates for some reason. 

One of these explanations is not like the others.  

 

Why are there coincidences connecting Szeth, and his Blade, to a specific Herald if his blade is neither an Honorblade, nor one of the Blades of the Radiants (which, as you claim, have to be normal old "modern" Shardblades)?

We know from WoB that we've seen three types of blades.  Szeth's blade behaves differently based on the information in the text, ergo, it is different. 

My personal theory, which has no textual support, and I would not ask anyone else to disprove, is that the sword is providing Szeth with windrunning powers.  The powers and the sapphire eye color either naturally go together in the world's magic system or are together for Windrunners. If it is because they are together for the Windrunners, then maybe the sword was made by corrupting or destroying an honorspren somehow.

[Oudeis he/him]

If we accept Dalinar's vision of the Recreance, I think the radiants were "generally" the only lighteyes and the main people with Shardblades at that time.  After the Recreance, we have a source of blades and, if the blades cause a permanent change in eye color, a simple process of might makes right leads us to a lighteyed nobility based on the information in the text. 

 

If you want to say that the blades we see in Alethi society are not the ones we saw distributed at the Recreance, then I think you should explain where the new blades came from and what happened to the old ones because there is no support for it in the text and it seems difficult and complicated.

 

I've said this a few times now, but let me devote an entire post to it this time. Perhaps this will clear up some miscommunication.

 

I am not saying that every "modern" Shardblade is utterly different from every "classic" Shardblade. I agree with you, that however confusing the time since the prologue, it's unlikely that mankind has actually replaced them all. My theory is this.

 

One specific Blade out of the, how many, dozen or more that we see in the book, could be a "hidden in plain sight" other Blade.

 

I think that's a very Sanderson thing to do. I realize there's no neon sign saying "THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL BLADE," but I still think the idea holds water that someone could have a Blade, one they think is normal because they have no reason to suspect it's different.

[Scott]

I think it is unlikely that Szeth holds Jezrien's Honorblade, and here's why I think so:  

 

It is stated in the Prologue that Honorblades disappear when their owner is killed.  However, Szeth states in one of his interludes that if he dies, the Stone Shamans would recover his blade.  This points to Szeth's blade being dropped like a normal Shardblade upon death and not disappearing with him like an Honorblade.

 

However, we don't know where Shardblades or Honorblades go when they arn't in the physical realm, so the Stone Shamans may still be able to recover an unsummoned blade.

[Gloom he/him]

I think it is unlikely that Szeth holds Jezrien's Honorblade, and here's why I think so:  

 

It is stated in the Prologue that Honorblades disappear when their owner is killed.  However, Szeth states in one of his interludes that if he dies, the Stone Shamans would recover his blade.  This points to Szeth's blade being dropped like a normal Shardblade upon death and not disappearing with him like an Honorblade.

 

However, we don't know where Shardblades or Honorblades go when they arn't in the physical realm, so the Stone Shamans may still be able to recover an unsummoned blade.

 

We don't really know the rules regarding Honorblades. We've seen some of the rules in regards to Shardblades, but we have reason to believe that Honorblades function differently. For instance, it would be easy to be given a Shardblade as demonstrated by Dalinar, but can a Herald give away an Honorblade? If they did, would it disappear while the original owner was still alive? If it did disappear, would the bearer take the heralds place in the Tranquiline Halls, or would it drag the original Herald into that place with it? If it didn't, why wouldn't it simply reappear as on the ground like an ordinary Shardblade? I see too many questions without answers to actually use the blade itself to prove or disprove the theory, but I've been wrong before.

 

Regardless, it's an interesting point. I forgot about Szeth mentioning that.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Gloom

[Unknowingly he/him]

Guys on another forum we discussed what the three types of shardblade are and I'm pretty sure we figured it out.

1) the Shardblades carried by people like Dalinar and Adolin, these blades all seem to be similar in the way they act and are designed (6 feet long, silgle edged, ect)

2) the shardblade used by Szeth, makes his eyes glow, 4 feet long, double edged

3) the shardblade that Amaram now carries. To tell the truth we don't know much about this blade but what we based this on was its appearance. It has a gemstone set in the hilt (no other blade is described with this), 6 feet long(I know its the same), double edged(one side is serated and the other straight but sharp) and then this is the big one along with the gemstone difference, it has a flame design etched into the blade.

In that other forum we had other reasons but we were certain that these were the three Shardblades that we had seen in the book and that thus far in TSA we have not come across an honourblade(excluding taln's spike at the end)

Edit: Spelling

Edited October 10, 2013 by Connor the Shardholder

[Shardlet he/him]

I hold my opinion in abeyance about Amaram's blade.  I don't recall it being described as being double-edged but the serration I do recall.  As to other differences between that blade and other blades (such as Dalinar's), I suspect that such differences would have been met by particular note by Amaram and Co. (though this discussion could have occurred off-screen).  I think Elhokars blade also has serrations on one side).  But I think it is in the same group as Dalinar and Adolin's blade.  The dominant idea hear is Radiantblades, Szethblade, and Honorblades (held by Heralds).  Actually we have seen nine Honorblades in the Prelude and the tenth in the epilogue.  True, they are not described, but we have seen them.

 

As a side not, though Taln's blade is described to resemble a giant spike, this does not preclude the blade from having 1, 2, or even 3 edges.

[Curiosity he/him]

This isn't exactly how it happened, but...

The topic title is a bit prophetic for WoR.

[Paragrin she/her]

And reading the thread....

I point and laugh at all Shardblade discussion that happened before WoR.

[AerionBFII he/him]

At least he wasn't killed by a 10 year old or T-Bagged before respawning..... real world problems....