kroen Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 You can use one bendalloymind to store nutrition and calories from food and another one to store liquids. So what, exactly, would happen if you drink alcohol while storing liquids? Will you avoid getting drunk? And if so, what happens when you later tap liquids? Will you get drunk? And what if other, no alcoholic liquids are also stored in your bendalloymind? Would they dilute the aclohol? For example, say you drunk 1 liter of whiskey (40% alcohol) while storing liquids, and your bendalloymind already had 9 liters of say water. Would tapping your bendalloymind be the same as drinking a drink with 4% alcohol? or are the liquids stored seperated somehow..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe ST Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 You can store liquid in bendalloy? I'm fairly sure it's only the effects that get stored (so nourishment/energy/calories). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) You can store liquid in bendalloy? I'm fairly sure it's only the effects that get stored (so nourishment/energy/calories). From the wiki: A bendalloy Ferring is known as a Subsumer. Bendalloy is used to store nutrition and calories. While filling a bendalloymind, a Feruchemist is able to eat large quantities of food without becoming full. Tapping such a metalmind will allow the user to go without food. A separate bendalloymind can be used to store fluid intake. Edited May 7, 2013 by kroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbSombrero Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Yeah. That's right. And what kroen is wondering is if the intoxication is part of what gets stored if you're storing while drinking alcohol. Since alcohol actually dehydrates you when you drink it, I imagine it would be somewhat counterproductive to making effective bendalloyminds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarontos Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 It would probably store the effects of the alcohol in the metal mind. You could also probably store the effects of other drug s such as methamphetamine, crack cocaine, marijuana, caffeine, ect. This being because the active ingredients would probably be considered a part of the nutrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Okay, but what about the dilution problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepene Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 From what I've seen, you shouldn't be able to store alcohol. You may be able to store the liquid in alcohol, but not the alcohol. The sources say you can store energy and thirst. For each charge of food energy you tap you mayignore the effects of hunger for one day. Likewise, for each charge of drink energyyou tap, you may ignore the effects of thirst for one day. Subsumer Ferrings can store nutrition and calories in a bendalloymetalmind; they can eat large amounts of food during active storage without feeling full or gaining weight,and then can go without the need to eat while tapping the metalmind. A separate bendalloy metalmindcan be used to similarly regulate fluids intake. It may be possible to store alcohol though, I don't know. It might just be stored as calories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Is this information from the RPG? Because it's not always canonical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepene Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Is this information from the RPG? Because it's not always canonical. There's a couple minor tweaks for balance purposes, but it's fairly canonical. Brandon told them lots of stuff. It's from alloy of law and the rpg. Edited May 7, 2013 by Nepene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) Hey, how's it phrased on the feruchemical table? I'm sure there's some lucky dog here who managed to score one. Edited May 7, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 i think alcohol would not count as nourishment and you would feel its effect. the metalmind would only store the nourishment coming from alcohol, not the intoxication. otherwise, it would have been a really nice trick to get drunk or sober at will. and it would also have worked to remove from your body most toxins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted May 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 i think alcohol would not count as nourishment and you would feel its effect. the metalmind would only store the nourishment coming from alcohol, not the intoxication. otherwise, it would have been a really nice trick to get drunk or sober at will. and it would also have worked to remove from your body most toxins or drink lots coffee as was mentioned and then when you need to stay up you just tap all the caffeine in one jolt. I kind of wish it works this way, as it adds many implementations to Subsumers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 If it worked that way, you could also probably get away with doing other things, like drinking poison and storing the effects (and then either discarding the metalmind or reducing your intake noticeably). Actually, I'm kind of wishing Subsumers could affect all kinds of metabolism. It would have a lot of interesting effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 If it worked that way, you could also probably get away with doing other things, like drinking poison and storing the effects (and then either discarding the metalmind or reducing your intake noticeably). Actually, I'm kind of wishing Subsumers could affect all kinds of metabolism. It would have a lot of interesting effects. That would actually work really well with a Twinborn if you could store your allomantic metals in a metalmind, never need to worry about running out, having to down a vial mid-fight or getting all of your metals destroyed by a Leecher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirShemmington VI Posted May 8, 2013 Report Share Posted May 8, 2013 Surely, by storing thirst while drinking alcohol you would amplify its effects, by dehydrating yourself more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Well you'd definitely amplify the hangover later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirShemmington VI Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Wouldn't that be a good use for bendalloy, fill it while your drinking to get drunker faster, then draw on it later to get over the hangover XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yados Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 Wouldn't that be a good use for bendalloy, fill it while your drinking to get drunker faster, then draw on it later to get over the hangover XD ...being dehydrated doesn't make you more drunk. It's just a side effect of the alcohol. eating beforehand makes it harder to get drunk, but that's a physical side effect of the food being in your stomach and decreasing the rate at which it enters your blood. It doesn't have anything to do nutrients. So, by the interpretation as it currently stands, I don't think bendalloy could make you more drunk. Tapping it for hydration would probably help with a hangover. Or, you know, prevent it if you tapped it for hydration while you're drinking. The feruchemical version of the smart drinker's practice of drinking a glass of water with each drink. However, I'd have to point out that it seems a bit of a waste to tap bendalloy in that case when you could just, you know, drink a glass of water. Commenting on the main subject, I think whether you could store alcohol or other toxins/psychoactive chemicals, probably depends on what constitutes a "nutrient". Because if it just means something non-caloric that your body happens to use, then it seems like it should include alcohol, toxins, and psychoactive substances like thc. Your body uses thc, it stores it in fat like vitamin a... I don't really see distinction. In fact, if it didn't work like that, it would probably be very easy for subsumers to poison themselves, absorbing a whole chinese dinner's worth of msg without any of the fat or caloric intake that would normally allow their body to process it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechvarry Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 If you could store the drunkenness of alcohol... what about the metals in your food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yados Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 If you could store the drunkenness of alcohol... what about the metals in your food? I can't tell if you're arguing for or against. Iron or Zinc are nutrients. Mercury and Lead are toxins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 I can't tell if you're arguing for or against. Iron or Zinc are nutrients. Mercury and Lead are toxins. The dose makes the poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yados Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 The dose makes the poison. All the more reason there wouldn't be a distinction between nutrients and toxins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroen Posted May 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) If you could actually ingest Allomantic metals and store them in a bendalloymind... that's a game changer. Edited May 9, 2013 by kroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isomere Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 I would like to know more about the mechanism of storing. I'll shard three ideas that each seem more unlikely than the next. Is the fluid/nutrition actually contained inside the metalmind? Or dose the needed material get wapowized, leave a casino chip in the metal and then get re-constituted from the nether when you cash in? Since these are temporal metals, could they just be creating time-space anomalies and the material gets worm-holed into your stomach sometime in the future? I actually kinda like the idea of "Worm-holds". for long term storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted May 9, 2013 Report Share Posted May 9, 2013 I would like to know more about the mechanism of storing. I'll shard three ideas that each seem more unlikely than the next. Is the fluid/nutrition actually contained inside the metalmind? Or dose the needed material get wapowized, leave a casino chip in the metal and then get re-constituted from the nether when you cash in? Since these are temporal metals, could they just be creating time-space anomalies and the material gets worm-holed into your stomach sometime in the future? I actually kinda like the idea of "Worm-holds". for long term storage. "Storing" is the word that is used in Feruchemy but it is technically incorrect because the attribute isn't actually "stored" there is some sort of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing going on. Basically the attribute is teleported into the future. Also in Feruchemy bendalloy isn't a temporal metal, that is thinking to much like allomancy, it is a Physical metal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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