Guest Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 The idea for this came from another thread, credit to Oudeis for the idea. What are the best ways to kill someone with access to "extreme" Cosmere healing? I'm talking KR with a fortune of Gems or a Gold Compounder kind of extreme. Have fun with it, and the more impractical the better (so long as it's effective) My ideas: Drop them into liquid Iridium. Their body would likely vaporize immediately. Metalminds would also melt or even vaporize, gemstones would crack/melt/vaporize/burn. Grind them between 2 30-ton granite blocks Soak them in Chlorine Trifluoride ("Substance N"). Their body will burn, along with several feet of ground they were standing on. Hemalurgy their Soul until nothing useful is left (only works if the healing is Internal) Awaken a metal robot with orders to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 the theory is not that difficult. while all those methods are effective, any conventional method of killing would work well, if they are prevented from recharging their powers and the killing method is repeated until they run out of charge. as miles shows, just shooting him enough times is effective. closing someone in a sealed box until they die of lack of air is another. cutting them to pieces, and keep going at it until they stop regrowing. the only problem is holding them in place while you do that. in the case of hoid, he could easily escape to shadesmar whatever you do to him, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm fairly sure it is logically possible for Miles to regenerate from the effects of oxygen deprivation, and surgebinders evidently don't even need to breathe, period. In the end, it still involves removing their ability to heal, removing what powers the healing, or utterly annihilating their entire existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascendant Warrior he/him Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm fairly sure it is logically possible for Miles to regenerate from the effects of oxygen deprivation, and surgebinders evidently don't even need to breathe, period. In the end, it still involves removing their ability to heal, removing what powers the healing, or utterly annihilating their entire existence. So... Balefire? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm fairly sure it is logically possible for Miles to regenerate from the effects of oxygen deprivation, and surgebinders evidently don't even need to breathe, period. In the end, it still involves removing their ability to heal, removing what powers the healing, or utterly annihilating their entire existence. Actually, breath is a seperate metal to store, so it would make sense for gold not to work to heal the damage done by it, given that it also can't help against aging and Stormlight runs out, so with time they would still suffocate, just good luck keeping them in place that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Actually, breath is a seperate metal to store, so it would make sense for gold not to work to heal the damage done by it, given that it also can't help against aging and Stormlight runs out, so with time they would still suffocate, just good luck keeping them in place that long. I think Miles may have mentioned not needing to breathe but I'm inclined to think that was just boasting otherwise it pretty much renders cadmium useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I think Miles may have mentioned not needing to breathe but I'm inclined to think that was just boasting otherwise it pretty much renders cadmium useless. Not if there's a significant efficiency difference. Humans die after 3-5 mins without breathing, so how many days/weeks/months of healing would be needed for just 30 mins without air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 i am fully aware that miles can regenerate breathing and a radiant dooes not need to. i am merely stating that they will run out of gold/stormlight eventually. for that matter, i think dumping hoid into liquid metal won't be enough. enough healing power will protect even from that, not to mention the possibility of storing the heat into a metalmind. i believe to kill one of the cosmere's immortals you need to go by attrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Well, that will fall under depriving them of enough resources to sustain their healing. Which is probably a problem of investiture inherent to thermodynamics if nothing else. There is always spent power not easily brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Well, that will fall under depriving them of enough resources to sustain their healing. Which is probably a problem of investiture inherent to thermodynamics if nothing else. There is always spent power not easily brought back. For healing per Feruchemy there's also the option of destroying their metalminds, so all their healing just disappears. (I wonder what does happen with the Investure in that case.) Edited July 7, 2015 by Edgedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Shattered metalminds still function proportionately, IIRC. And we're yet again depriving them of their method of sustaining their powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Well in the case of waiting til their healing runs out a competent compounder of gold could probably hold off for a good few years if they had a decent supply of gold, TLR managed on relatively little atium for nearly a millenium after all and Marsh's bag is supposed to be big enough to last him for a good long while too, health is probably needed in greater quantities than Marsh at least would initially need but even so I don't think it's exactly a speedy solution to the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 For healing per Feruchemy there's also the option of destroying their metalminds, so all their healing just disappears. (I wonder what does happen with the Investure in that case.) If they break, stored attributes break proportionally. Melting would have no immediate effect, though if the liquid Metalmind came in contact with other liquid metal it would begin to alloy. In this case the stored attributes would be lost. (Anyone know if the stored Investiture would fizzle or bang? Assume a large Metalmind filled to 100%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I would assume the Investitures still there, just unable to be correctly filtered through the metallic-structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlion Blight he/him Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Sarlacc pit. Edited July 7, 2015 by Orlion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I would assume the Investitures still there, just unable to be correctly filtered through the metallic-structure. Which would mean that if you could purify it, you could get your stuff back. If that's true, it has some rather sinister implications for Hemalurgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Gravity Singularity, Star, Plasma Blast (would be interesting anyways) It should be mentioned that Stormlight wielders aren't immortal, especially if you get a good headshot on them, if i remember rightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Professor Jonathan Phaedrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Professor Jonathan Phaedrus. nuke him. with a multi-megaton device, an hiroshima-level one is not enough. nah, even a smaller nuke is enough if he does not expect it and therefore does not put up a shield. if he does not use a shield, even several tonnes of conventional explosive may do the trick. so... hide a big enough bomb under the place where he walks normally? seems he'll be easier to assassinate than steelheart. of course, rule of drama dictates nothing so simple would actually work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 nuke him. with a multi-megaton device, an hiroshima-level one is not enough. nah, even a smaller nuke is enough if he does not expect it and therefore does not put up a shield. if he does not use a shield, even several tonnes of conventional explosive may do the trick. so... hide a big enough bomb under the place where he walks normally? seems he'll be easier to assassinate than steelheart. of course, rule of drama dictates nothing so simple would actually work. He regenerated his entire head after it was crushed so I doubt simple explosives would do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) He regenerated his entire head after it was crushed so I doubt simple explosives would do the trick. Plus, David with a fraction of Prof's healing managed to recover from, as he put it, not exsisitng after Obliteration attacked him in the blink of an eye. Furthermore, the jackets imply that the shields can activate automatically, as long as Prof doesn't supress them. Edited July 8, 2015 by Edgedancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Perhaps we should mark Reckonerverse spoilers in the "Cosmere Theories" section? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugouka he/him Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I'm pretty sure if you just soulcast one into a completely different substance, that would do the trick. Look at Jasnah in The Way of Kings. She turned people into smoke/crystal...good luck healing from that. I don't really care how well you can heal. If you aren't even made of flesh and blood anymore, you don't have anything TO heal, or a mind to even TRY to heal. And I'm sure being soulcast into smoke would have an effect on your being in the Cognitive/Spiritual Realm, as well. Not positive, but I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 I'm pretty sure if you just soulcast one into a completely different substance, that would do the trick. Look at Jasnah in The Way of Kings. She turned people into smoke/crystal...good luck healing from that. I don't really care how well you can heal. If you aren't even made of flesh and blood anymore, you don't have anything TO heal, or a mind to even TRY to heal. And I'm sure being soulcast into smoke would have an effect on your being in the Cognitive/Spiritual Realm, as well. Not positive, but I wouldn't be surprised. Except that Investure interferes with other Investure, so they'd probably be immune to being soulcasted anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugouka he/him Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Except that Investure interferes with other Investure, so they'd probably be immune to being soulcasted anyway. Ah, I hadn't been aware of that. Thinking back now, I guess I can't ever recall anything messing with Investiture, with the exception of someone burning Chromium, which we haven't really seen in the books, anyway. I'm vaguely curious if that soulcasting immunity would still exist if you bled them dry of investiture before attempting. I mean, it really wouldn't be that hard to do except with Breath, most of it is pretty fleeting, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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