Edgedancer he/him Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Ah, I hadn't been aware of that. Thinking back now, I guess I can't ever recall anything messing with Investiture, with the exception of someone burning Chromium, which we haven't really seen in the books, anyway. I'm vaguely curious if that soulcasting immunity would still exist if you bled them dry of investiture before attempting. I mean, it really wouldn't be that hard to do except with Breath, most of it is pretty fleeting, anyway. Yeah, we don't really know the degree to which Investure meeses with each other, so it's hard to make an exact calling but we do see some examples, like metal in a person's body being much harder to push and pull on with Allomancy and Shardplate interfering with Lashings. (Though that was Szeth telling us.) Edited July 8, 2015 by Edgedancer 1
Guest Posted July 8, 2015 Posted July 8, 2015 I was actually suggesting Prof as one of the "Ways to kill the Cosmere Immortals." O.o o.O
natc Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 That was my assumption as well, but they went the other route so meh.
VindicationKnight he/him Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 If we can use methods from other fiction as well as in universe... Balefire or a DeMat gun, erase em from history. Turn them into a Philosopher's Stone (FMA), waste not want not you can always find a use for a perpetually regenerating soul after all. Total disintegration should take most forms of immortality that we know of. Nightblood, always Nightblood. In a similar vein, Stormbringer, Mournblade or Anomander Rake's Dragnipur. Shardblade if you land a killing blow? Blow up the planet, it's the only way to be sure. Astarael the Sorrowful from the Old Kingdom Trilogy: when rung properly, sends all its auditors into death- the ringer included.[1] Lirael holds this bell in the second binding. (On a side note I'd recommend Garth Nix to any Sanderson fan.) Lord English. Because there is no kill like overkill. Anything strong enough to totally wipe your memory/Cognitive presence has effectively 'killed' the immortal in question. Trap them in a inescapable time loop a'la Grey Boy or a super decelerated time bubble 'freezing them' beyond recovery. Forge them into being your loyal slave, effectively destroying the original personality. And probably a whole bunch more. 2
natc Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Hoid seems convinced he can survive 6, and for all we know can probably survive 7 aa well. Forging might work, unless being stupidly invested rejects the stamp. Plus, essence marks of other people are ridiculously difficult to make without a test subject that knows that person very well.
VindicationKnight he/him Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Hoid seems convinced he can survive 6, and for all we know can probably survive 7 aa well. Forging might work, unless being stupidly invested rejects the stamp. Plus, essence marks of other people are ridiculously difficult to make without a test subject that knows that person very well. True, but it would be good enough for most immortals less than Hoid. Forging would be a bit impractical as a combat move, but it would be a useful way to dispose of powerful criminals whilst still getting some use out of them, if you have the time to do so and aren't concerned by the ethical issues.
Voidus Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 I don't think there's anything special about Hoids immortality as compared to say TLR, he's just more confident and subtle in it's usage, pretty sure any amount of physical damage won't kill TLR and neither would a Shardblade.
VindicationKnight he/him Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 I don't think there's anything special about Hoids immortality as compared to say TLR, he's just more confident and subtle in it's usage, pretty sure any amount of physical damage won't kill TLR and neither would a Shardblade. A planet buster would probably destroy his metalminds, Shardblade is more questionable it's true.
IAmTheBeard Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I actually do like the idea of Allomantic duralumin/Allomantic nicrosil-boosted aCromium bubble to surprise and trap a powerful immortal. Even a few seconds could render him frozen for ages. Build a prison around him, if necessary. Of course, you've probably sacrificed your Allomancer(s), but this seems like the best way to do it without ridiculous preparation. Plus, it actually sounds like an in-Cosmere strategy. Perhaps the whole trick on Miles is foreshadowing...
king of nowhere Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I actually do like the idea of Allomantic duralumin/Allomantic nicrosil-boosted aCromium bubble to surprise and trap a powerful immortal. Even a few seconds could render him frozen for ages. Build a prison around him, if necessary. Of course, you've probably sacrificed your Allomancer(s), but this seems like the best way to do it without ridiculous preparation. Plus, it actually sounds like an in-Cosmere strategy. Perhaps the whole trick on Miles is foreshadowing... doesn't work if they can just exit through shadesmar
VindicationKnight he/him Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 doesn't work if they can just exit through shadesmarWell, even if they escape via Shardsmear/The Cognitive Realm the process of deciding to do so and then acting in that decision still takes time, time which, from the perspective of the people outside the bubble, might last quite a while.Not to mention the possibility the immortal in question can't access Shardsmear/The Cognitive Realm.
IAmTheBeard Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 doesn't work if they can just exit through shadesmar Well, even if they escape via Shardsmear/The Cognitive Realm the process of deciding to do so and then acting in that decision still takes time, time which, from the perspective of the people outside the bubble, might last quite a while. Not to mention the possibility the immortal in question can't access Shardsmear/The Cognitive Realm. Exactly. What happens in the bubble is almost guaranteed not to go well for the people making the bubble. But how much time does a Nicrobursted Chromium bubble buy you even if it's only up for a fraction of a second? If the difference in the energy involved in a Pewter-fueled jump and a Duralumin-fueled Pewter-fueled jump is any indicator, it'd be pretty staggering.
The One Who Reads he/him Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Clearly practicality and timelyness aren't big concerns in this, why not just wait? Sure they are immortal but eventually most of them (gold compounders and possibly KR) will simply die of old age. And the others will probably top themselves if you leave them long enough, espically if you have a group of soothers and rioters following them round everywhere stealing everything good in their life...
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