Question 13

[Kobold King he/him]

At least her new outfit is more armor than anything else. Still no pants, but better than just a leotard.

If she expected Shiny to cry, she did a good job.

 

Ah. Well that's something. They're at least doing better than they did in the 70s.

 

 

To be fair, the part about terrifying vanillas was something Shiny needed to hear... in a softer way less likely to throw her into a homicidal rage or have an emotional breakdown.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Ah. Well that's something. They're at least doing better than they did in the 70s.

 

 

To be fair, the part about terrifying vanillas was something Shiny needed to hear... in a softer way less likely to throw her into a homicidal rage or have an emotional breakdown.

 

To the DC Studios costume design team: 

 

 

And to the DC Studios screenwriting team: 

 

 

 

True, but there is such a thing as a happy medium between "There is nothing wrong with you and you are amazing except for that teeny tiny mistake that's not a big deal even though it caused a ton of problems" and "YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING RIGHT AND YOU WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE A FAILURE TO THE CORE AND A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF THE UNIVERSE."  

[Edgedancer he/him]

To the DC Studios costume design team: 

 

 

And to the DC Studios screenwriting team: 

 

 

 

True, but there is such a thing as a happy medium between "There is nothing wrong with you and you are amazing except for that teeny tiny mistake that's not a big deal even though it caused a ton of problems" and "YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING RIGHT AND YOU WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE A FAILURE TO THE CORE AND A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF THE UNIVERSE."

Congratulation, you're better at your job than Deathwish.

 

Yeah, the extremety of that speech will most likely cause most of it to just not stick after she calmed down.

[Kobold King he/him]

Yeah, the extremety of that speech will most likely cause most of it to just not stick after she calmed down.

 

I'm not sure there's anything that could get through Shiny's wall of self-delusion and hedonism.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I'm not sure there's anything that could get through Shiny's wall of self-delusion and hedonism.

...Well she didn't drink a coke yet.

[Kobold King he/him]

True, but there is such a thing as a happy medium between "There is nothing wrong with you and you are amazing except for that teeny tiny mistake that's not a big deal even though it caused a ton of problems" and "YOU HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING RIGHT AND YOU WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE A FAILURE TO THE CORE AND A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF THE UNIVERSE."

 

 

I, uh, hope I'm not coming across as mean as Redlight. I'm getting the feeling I'm stepping on some toes here.

 

 

The thing is, Shiny reminds me very strongly of some of my less savory relatives, especially in this last scene. I have aunts-by-marriage who lie and steal from their family, sob about how sorry they are when they get caught, and once they've convinced everyone that it won't happen again they go right back to causing trouble. Usually the same week they got caught.

 

Shiny desperately needs a lesson on how her actions affect others. I think most women who have been abused in the way Autumn was would say that it is a big deal, and was in absolutely no way a "teeny tiny" mistake. If Shiny had even the slightest degree of self-awareness, she'd have realized from the beginning that Autumn was uninterested--instead, within an hour she was groping and making out with her, and would probably have taken it way further given half a chance.

 

While this message should have been delivered in a much gentler way than Redlight's criticism, there's not an overabundance of sympathy in my mind for Shiny. She's a deluded sociopath who seems likely to forget all about this incident once she leaves town and another pretty vanilla catches her eye. If she's going to forget every word that came out of Redlight's mouth just because they weren't phrased nicely, it makes me doubt that there's any amount of gentle therapy that could get through to her.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I, uh, hope I'm not coming across as mean as Redlight. I'm getting the feeling I'm stepping on some toes here.

 

 

The thing is, Shiny reminds me very strongly of some of my less savory relatives, especially in this last scene. I have aunts-by-marriage who lie and steal from their family, sob about how sorry they are when they get caught, and once they've convinced everyone that it won't happen again they go right back to causing trouble. Usually the same week they got caught.

 

Shiny desperately needs a lesson on how her actions affect others. I think most women who have been abused in the way Autumn was would say that it is a big deal, and was in absolutely no way a "teeny tiny" mistake. If Shiny had even the slightest degree of self-awareness, she'd have realized from the beginning that Autumn was uninterested--instead, within an hour she was groping and making out with her, and would probably have taken it way further given half a chance.

 

While this message should have been delivered in a much gentler way than Redlight's criticism, there's not an overabundance of sympathy in my mind for Shiny. She's a deluded sociopath who seems likely to forget all about this incident once she leaves town and another pretty vanilla catches her eye. If she's going to forget every word that came out of Redlight's mouth just because they weren't phrased nicely, it makes me doubt that there's any amount of gentle therapy that could get through to her.

Well, before this turns into a moral debate over her personality, I feel like I should mention that I'd imagine having an Eldritch Abdomination corroding your morallity and installing it in your head that only you matter makes character development based entirely on people talking with you and self-awarness kinda... impossible, as in my adherence to canon makes it literaly impossible for me to her change her ways from a simple lecture. So while her behaviour is faulty, it's kind of also an external problem outside of her control.

[Kobold King he/him]

Well, before this turns into a moral debate over her personality, I feel like I should mention that I'd imagine having an Eldritch Abdomination corroding your morallity and installing it in your head that only you matter makes character development based entirely on people talking with you and self-awarness kinda... impossible, as in my adherence to canon makes it literaly impossible for me to her change her ways from a simple lecture. So while her behaviour is faulty, it's kind of also an external problem outside of her control.

 

Of course. Every Epic in the game has that handicap; not even Nighthound can be truly held accountable for his actions, considering the kind of man he was before Calamity. The difference is that no one seems to have any sympathy for Nighthound, Lightwards, or Timeport when they snarked at or their feelings get hurt, while it sometimes feels like Shiny's been treated like a lovable scamp who's being mistreated by mean people who don't understand her.

 

It's been explicitly stated that Shiny would be killing people left and right if she weren't worried about what Autumn thinks. And she's only known Autumn for a couple of hours in-game. Her obsession borders on mental illness, and she doesn't seem to have a core morality of her own to counter-balance it. It's only these deranged obsessions of hers that seem to keep her from becoming as bad as anyone on the ATTD list.

 

 

 

If I'm misreading everyone again, I heartily apologize. I didn't get much sleep last night, and it's sweltering in the house, which always makes me cranky.

 

Have some patriotic pugs as my way of apologizing. I hope I'm not turning this thread into an unpleasant place to be.

 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

I don't disagree that Shiny needed to hear those things. Even accounting for the corruption, she did just terrify Autumn and leave her with a burning fear of stalkers (NOT staplers, autocorrect) who don't have to worry about things like walls or home defense weapons. I think what bothered me was that those words came from Redlight, an Epic who earlier took visible pleasure in freezing people, giving the impression that she (like most Dalles Epics, in fairness) seeks out any excuse she can find to use her powers. For me, at least, this made her words to Shiny sound like they came less from concern about Autumn's welfare, and more from a desire to seize a chance to be right. I'm willing to give her the benefit if the doubt, since she was there while Autumn narrated her side of the story and she's remained loyal to Vondra for all this time, and I'm willing to admit that my personal experiences probably colored my perception here, but to me her motives came across as less than altruistic.

Edited July 14, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Kobold King he/him]

I don't disagree that Shiny needed to hear those things. Even accounting for the corruption, she did just terrify Autumn and leave her with a burning fear of stalkers (NOT staplers, autocorrect) who don't have to worry about things like walls or home defense weapons. I think what bothered me was that those words came from Redlight, an Epic who earlier took visible pleasure in freezing people, giving the impression that she (like most Dalles Epics, in fairness) seeks out any excuse she can find to use her powers. For me, at least, this made her words to Shiny sound like they came less from concern about Autumn's welfare, and more from a desire to seize a chance to be right. I'm willing to give her the benefit if the doubt, since she was there while Autumn narrated her side of the story and she's remained loyal to Vondra for all this time, and I'm willing to admit that my personal experiences probably colored my perception here, but to me her motives came across as less than altruistic.

 

Redlight's more bitter and addicted to her powers than anything else, but you're right in that she's not very altruistic. Or rather, she sees herself as being altruistic in a "tough love" sort of way, but there's not a lot of love behind her actions. Though she is loyal to the City Guard and is angry on Autumn's behalf.

 

Largely, I just object to Shiny's behavior being described as "a teeny tiny mistake that's not a big deal." It's a huge deal, at least as huge as Funtimes kidnapping 'friends' for herself. And at least Funtimes doesn't molest the victims of her delusion in the sexual way Shiny does.

 

I just don't think that Redlight being mean is so heinous a crime that we should brush Shiny's homicidal and obsessive behavior under the rug. In Vondra's office right now, an unpleasant person is berating a dangerous sociopath.

 

 

But like I said, sorry for being so negative. I love Shiny Sparkle as a character--I just think her actions are psychotic and morally reprehensible. If I'm being unfair or mean-spirited at all--or if you guys are just sick of my complaining--well, I'll pipe down about it. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, and I think we're all approaching Redlight and Shiny from very different points of view.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Redlight's more bitter and addicted to her powers than anything else, but you're right in that she's not very altruistic. Or rather, she sees herself as being altruistic in a "tough love" sort of way, but there's not a lot of love behind her actions. Though she is loyal to the City Guard and is angry on Autumn's behalf.

Largely, I just object to Shiny's behavior being described as "a teeny tiny mistake that's not a big deal." It's a huge deal, at least as huge as Funtimes kidnapping 'friends' for herself. And at least Funtimes doesn't molest the victims of her delusion in the sexual way Shiny does.

I just don't think that Redlight being mean is so heinous a crime that we should brush Shiny's homicidal and obsessive behavior under the rug. In Vondra's office right now, an unpleasant person is berating a dangerous sociopath.

But like I said, sorry for being so negative. I love Shiny Sparkle as a character--I just think her actions are psychotic and morally reprehensible. If I'm being unfair or mean-spirited at all--or if you guys are just sick of my complaining--well, I'll pipe down about it. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything like that, and I think we're all approaching Redlight and Shiny from very different points of view.

I wasn't describing her actions that way. I used that as a hyperbolic example of the opposite extreme of how that situation could have been handled. Her actions were a big deal, they did more damage than she might realize, and they were definitely wrong. I wouldn't ever describe them as not a big deal.

[Kobold King he/him]

I wasn't describing her actions that way. I used that as a hyperbolic example of the opposite extreme of how that situation could have been handled. Her actions were a big deal, they did more damage than she might realize, and they were definitely wrong. I wouldn't ever describe them as not a big deal.

 

Ah. Sorry.

[+Slowswift]

I'm missing something aren't I.

[Kobold King he/him]

I'm missing something aren't I.

 

You're not. I'm the one who just spent an hour arguing against a hyperbole 'cuz I couldn't be bothered to read a post properly.

 

 

I'm pretty sure it's just a misunderstanding. Nothing to worry about.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

You're not. I'm the one who just spent an hour arguing against a hyperbole 'cuz I couldn't be bothered to read a post properly.

I'm pretty sure it's just a misunderstanding. Nothing to worry about.

It is. And you're not the only one who's done something like that--believe me.

[Kobold King he/him]

It is. And you're not the only one who's done something like that--believe me.

Thanks for being understanding. And sorry for misjudging you so atrociously--I should have known better than to assume you were espousing an opinion like that.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Thanks for being understanding. And sorry for misjudging you so atrociously--I should have known better than to assume you were espousing an opinion like that.

It's okay.

[Kobold King he/him]

So, to Twi and anyone else who's seen Pixar's Inside Out.

 

What do the Emotions of your characters look like? Which Emotion is in charge? What are their core memories?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

 

After the second viewing, I'm filled with questions. Questions like...

 

• Wait—Batman has a daughter now? 
• Why was his maybe-daughter at Wayne Tower? Was it Bring Your Maybe-So-Maybe-No Daughter to Work Day? 
• What was Superman doing in Gotham, anyhow? 
• Who scrawls threatening notes on newspaper clippings? 
• Seriously, has no one in this series heard of the internet? Superman has trouble with basic facial expressions. He probably wouldn't know how to track somebody's IP address. 
• Do they still think casting Ben Affleck as Batman was a good idea? 
• I mean, seriously. I'm having a hard time taking him seriously—or was I just ruined by Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy? 
• Is Superman really being called on the carpet for his wanton destruction in the first movie? 
• Why doesn't Zack Snyder just adapt Steelheart if he wants to film evil!Superman this badly? 
• If everyone just wants Superman to go home, why are the soldiers bowing to him? 
• Why can't Superman and Batman just sit down and calmly discuss their differences? Wouldn't negotiation set a better example for the people they're leading than punching each other in the face? 
• Why is DC trying to cram so many heroes into this one movie? Do they really think that'll work? 
• Is….is he really Lex Luthor? He has hair. Lex Luthor doesn't have hair. 
• Seriously, why does Lex have hair? 
• WONDER WOMAN'S NEW LOOK IS SO COOL! WHY IS THIS MOVIE NOT ABOUT WONDER WOMAN? 

 

I might be the only one...but I kinda am excited to see this. I want to see Superman in court and his inner strife while he's being worshipped on one hand and completely villianized on the other.

 

So, to Twi and anyone else who's seen Pixar's Inside Out.

 

What do the Emotions of your characters look like? Which Emotion is in charge? What are their core memories?

Fear definitely takes lead in most of the Epics with either Anger or Sadness right behind. Max is propelled by Anger.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

So, to Twi and anyone else who's seen Pixar's Inside Out.

What do the Emotions of your characters look like? Which Emotion is in charge? What are their core memories?

I'll answer this in more detail when I get home, partly because it demands a more detailed reply, partly so I can figure how to keep Funtimes' Emotional makeup spoiler-free (which I'm assuming was the one you were curious about ). But for now, I think I can chart out the Emotions of Protector Pug.

Like the dog in the movie, her Emotions are all rather uniform and goal-oriented, with Joy in charge. Having lived a short life so far, she doesn't have very many core memories yet. She probably has a purple core memory of Chimera losing control, leading her to determine that Epic corruption smell = bad, though I'd need Mailliw to confirm whether this would have happened within her short lifetime and where she could see. This, or a similar event, coupled with being chosen as a Protector Dog, would have created her Island of Defense. She also has an Island of Playtime, created when she realized how much fun toys were, and an Island of Food Appreciation, which she--like all pugs--had from the moment she realized how delicious food could be.

However, her most recent core memory, and the one she will choose to focus on for a while, is the memory of finding Sam. Her brain is in the process of creating a Sam Island.

[Kobold King he/him]

I'll answer this in more detail when I get home, partly because it demands a more detailed reply, partly so I can figure how to keep Funtimes' Emotional makeup spoiler-free (which I'm assuming was the one you were curious about ). But for now, I think I can chart out the Emotions of Protector Pug.

Like the dog in the movie, her Emotions are all rather uniform and goal-oriented, with Joy in charge. Having lived a short life so far, she doesn't have very many core memories yet. She probably has a purple core memory of Chimera losing control, leading her to determine that Epic corruption smell = bad, though I'd need Mailliw to confirm whether this would have happened within her short lifetime and where she could see. This, or a similar event, coupled with being chosen as a Protector Dog, would have created her Island of Defense. She also has an Island of Playtime, created when she realized how much fun toys were, and an Island of Food Appreciation, which she--like all pugs--had from the moment she realized how delicious food could be.

However, her most recent core memory, and the one she will choose to focus on for a while, is the memory of finding Sam. Her brain is in the process of creating a Sam Island.

 

I am indeed highly curious about Funtimes, though I forgot that most of the forum doesn't know her backstory.

 

Protector Pug's so cute, even her Emotions are adorable.

 

 

I'm still thinking of my characters, though I imagine that most Epics have Fear in charge. But as for Wes...

 

A raptor's Emotions are mostly uniform, in keeping with their pack mentality. While most of Lightwards' Warriors have dead Emotions, with the console at headquarters turning black and operating solely on Lightwards' orders, some of the dinosaurs' Emotions still cling to life. In Wes' mind, Anger leads the pack as Alpha, furious at the current situation and inability to directly control their body. Fear and Disgust sniff and hiss at each foreign scent, with Sadness and Joy mostly inactive at the current time. Together, however, they've turned all memories predating Wes' death blue and yellow, recalling the days when they ran free in a primordial jungle with bittersweet fondness.

 

Yes, there is a Hunting Island. Rusty from lack of use, but ready and able to be brought back to life again.

[+Slowswift]

Like the dog in the movie, her Emotions are all rather uniform and goal-oriented...

 

I thought that said "goat-oriented". 

 

Anyways, we were doing some service tonight for Mutual (LDS mid-week activities). We were cleaning up a yard, and I got to use a weed-whacker (I was very happy  ), and I got an idea from a conversation me an my friend were having.

 

Someone needs to make an Epic who, prior to (or even after, lookin' at you, Deathpoint) Calamity, was known as...

 

...the Weed-Whacker Robber. A nefarious villain who stuck up banks with yard tools. 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

I thought that said "goat-oriented".

Anyways, we were doing some service tonight for Mutual (LDS mid-week activities). We were cleaning up a yard, and I got to use a weed-whacker (I was very happy ), and I got an idea from a conversation me an my friend were having.

Someone needs to make an Epic who, prior to (or even after, lookin' at you, Deathpoint) Calamity, was known as...

...the Weed-Whacker Robber. A nefarious villain who stuck up banks with yard tools.

I think this sounds like Backtrack's daring alter-ego, whose adventures he plays over and over in his head when thoughts of the King of the Silverfish or other former employers get to be too much.

[+Slowswift]

I think this sounds like Backtrack's daring alter-ego, whose adventures he plays over and over in his head when thoughts of the King of the Silverfish or other former employers get to be too much.

 

I'd probably laugh harder if I'd actually read Portland.

[Kobold King he/him]

I think this sounds like Backtrack's daring alter-ego, whose adventures he plays over and over in his head when thoughts of the King of the Silverfish or other former employers get to be too much.

 

 

"And in this week's episode, the Weed-Whacker Robber steals a priceless relic from an ancient Mayan temple... that has become fiercely overgrown with weeds over the centuries! Can he successfully clear a path through the weeds by the time his archaeology grant runs out?"