Theleos Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 There is another option that nobody has mentioned. The Parshendi shard blade. The blade was described as being "wicked and barbed, like flames frozen into metal." (p. 930). and I am pretty sure it was quite large too. This description has quite a different feel from that of other blades, as they usually are described as having flowing or wavelike lines/forms. We never saw the parshendi's eyes so there is no way, as of yet, to tell if his blade turned them light or not. Dalinar saw his face from afar, and didnt mention anything about the eyes, but he had stated that he couldnt make out the parshendi's features. So the three types could be: "common" Shardblades Szeth's type of shardblade parshendi type of shardblade I think the honorblades are different and are not considered one of the three shardblade types. Especially since there are only 10 of them.
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Apparently the Alethi have already captured some parshendi blades. They didn't notice anything different. I think the honorblades are different and are not considered one of the three shardblade types. Especially since there are only 10 of them.[ I believe Word of Brandon is that honorblades are shardblades. Edited April 11, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity
Dros Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 I really think the term shardblade should be seen as the make and something like Honorblades would be seen as the model. Like--there are lots of Jeeps (shardblades), but they range from Cherokee's (Honorblades) to Liberty's (Szeth's blade) to Patriot's (Dalinar's blade), etc.
Meg Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Apparently the Alethi have already captured some parshendi blades. They didn't notice anything different. I agree. I believe Word of Brandon is that honorblades are shardblades. Here, too. I'm sure I've read such a statement but I'm unable to rediscover it.
Elwynn Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 I believe Word of Brandon is that honorblades are shardblades. This is correct. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/2422-/page__view__findpost__p__44676
Meg Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 I see, hidden in the spoilers. May I ask: Is there any need to further hide such an information as spoilers or can it be quoted now?
Morsk he/him Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 May I ask: Is there any need to further hide such an information as spoilers or can it be quoted now?Spoiler warnings are about which forum it's posted in. That stuff will always be spoilers in the forum it's in. But here in Stormlight the Stormlight stuff isn't a spoiler. And in Cosmere none of is it spoilers.
lor Posted April 13, 2013 Posted April 13, 2013 What about option: Honorblade - created and binded to exact knight, just like a sword with glyphs engraved this persons soul – beautiful, but doesn’t fit another knight; Shardblade – a sword created for any knight with glyphs of i.e. praying; And ‘szeth’s blade’ – not a sword, but more like a dagger (both sides cut) a blade for someone who has some skills, but more like i.e. an assassin not a knight.
Windrunner he/him Posted April 14, 2013 Posted April 14, 2013 Honorblades are the personal weapons of the Heralds. There are only ten and they are way more powerful than regular Shardblades. So that first bit at least is incorrect. Also, welcome to the forums!
Kurkistan he/him Posted April 14, 2013 Posted April 14, 2013 Is it possible that a shardblade can take on different form based on their user's idea of an ideal weapon? Szeth's shardblade looks like that because that's how most Shinovar's blades looks like. Dalinar shardblade form looks like a huge sword because that's how most Alethi swords look like. What would have Shallan's shardblade if she had summon one? Would it looked more like a knife? It would kind of make sense since if Kaladin ever received his shardblade, it would have taken a form of a spear. I kind of like this idea.
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 14, 2013 Posted April 14, 2013 Dalinar shardblade form looks like a huge sword because that's how most Alethi swords look like. Not sure I like this - there are mentions that the large size of a shardblade is awkward, and I feel like they'd gradually get easier to handle if they were really going off the users' ideal conception.
lor Posted April 14, 2013 Posted April 14, 2013 Honorblades are the personal weapons of the Heralds. There are only ten and they are way more powerful than regular Shardblades. So that first bit at least is incorrect. I don’t know how were created Shardblades and Honorblades, so I do you know about exact number of Honorblades either. They are powerful and precious, but opposite to Shardblade, Honorblade vanished after the death of the owner. This way they are unique, but maybe they could be created not only for the Heralds? Unless of course it was a special gift from the Almighty. Other surprise (for me anyway) is: Talanel’Elin - 10th Herald kept Shardblade when died on the end of book – what happens with his Honorblade?
hoser he/him Posted April 14, 2013 Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) I don’t know how were created Shardblades and Honorblades, so I do you know about exact number of Honorblades either. They are powerful and precious, but opposite to Shardblade, Honorblade vanished after the death of the owner. This way they are unique, but maybe they could be created not only for the Heralds? Unless of course it was a special gift from the Almighty. Other surprise (for me anyway) is: Talanel’Elin - 10th Herald kept Shardblade when died on the end of book – what happens with his Honorblade? Ten is a special number for Roshar, and as I read the Prelude, the Honorblades are clearly tied to the Oathpact. They are described as unique, precious and more powerful than the Radiantblades. The Heralds seem to be Honor's representatives. Honor is gone, splintered, Tanavast presumably dead, and not likely to be creating more Honorblades. If he had created more Honorblades, why would they not have been used? If they had been, and others with the power of the Heralds were running around, wouldn't there be legends of the eleventh and twelth heralds? If Odium created super Shardblades, I don't think they would be Honorblades, by definition. The Honorblade sticking around at the end of the book proves to me that the Herald didn't die, he just passed out. Edited April 14, 2013 by hoser
lor Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 Honor is gone, splintered, Tanavast presumably dead, and not likely to be creating more Honorblades. Who is 'Tanavast'?
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 Who is 'Tanavast'? Guy who used to have honor.
lor Posted April 16, 2013 Posted April 16, 2013 Guy who used to have honor. Thx for help, mate. I appreciate your help......
Windrunner he/him Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 If Phantom's post wasn't clear, Tanavast was the former holder of the Shard Honor. You saw him in the epilogue of TWoK, talking to Dalinar. If it was clear, sorry for reiterating XD
callumke he/him Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 If Phantom's post wasn't clear, Tanavast was the former holder of the Shard Honor. You saw him in the epilogue of TWoK, talking to Dalinar. If it was clear, sorry for reiterating XD Has that been confirmed? I saw some interesting speculation that Tanavast was not the person who was killed by Odium, but had previously given up the Shard to another. Tanavast definitely held Honor at some point though,
Dros Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 Has that been confirmed? I saw some interesting speculation that Tanavast was not the person who was killed by Odium, but had previously given up the Shard to another. Tanavast definitely held Honor at some point though, I don't think I've ever heard that. What makes people think someone else held it?
callumke he/him Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=698#1 The way Brandon describes him as "the original holder of the Shard Honor". That raises a question as to whether he held the shard of Honour when it was shattered, or whether he has "long since departed", as is hinted in the Highstorm scene with Kaladin. I don't have my book to hand to give a better reference.
lor Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 lol In 'my' TWoK Dalinar speak with the Almighty, who named himself 'the creator of mankind' - nothing about Tanavast. But I see there is not enough to read TWoK to understand the whole story. WoT Interview Database, The Coppermind, Stormlight Archive Wiki...
hoser he/him Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 lol In 'my' TWoK Dalinar speak with the Almighty, who named himself 'the creator of mankind' - nothing about Tanavast. But I see there is not enough to read TWoK to understand the whole story. WoT Interview Database, The Coppermind, Stormlight Archive Wiki... One reference is at the end of Kaladin's highstorm stormriding dream (chapter 46), the storm voice says "CHILD OF TANAVAST. CHILD OF HONOR. CHILD OF ONE LONG SINCE DEPARTED."
Leuthie Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Three names. Tanavast the physical, Honor the spiritual, "One Long Since Departed" the cognitive.
Dros Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Yeah, I think Tanavast was the only Shardholder of Honor. Random hypothesis with nothing to back it up: Perhaps Dalinar will "unite them" (the splinters) and be the next to hold Honor?
Cabbage Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 What's so specia about Szeths blade? It has all the traits of the other Shard. The only significal difference is that is has a much more different size. The size is probobly different because it's used in a different type of fighting? Big blades forces the wielder of use a certain arsenal of movements, while a smaller blade increases that arsenal but to the loss of the extra force.
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