ThirdGen Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 that was easy Aren't INTP/INTJ the two most common? Among people who post their results on a forum, yes. 1
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Band, mostly. Band nerds, huh? I think there's kind of a tendency for people to assume that they're one of the two if they're bad with people. INTJ's are notoriously apathetic towards other peoples' feelings (it's not my fault that they're needy and illogical!)
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) Anyway, Kobold, if you're trying to judge whether or not you're INTJ, the big "points" of INTJ-ness are as follows: -You're smart. Period. -You set really high standards for people, but honestly only try to hold yourself to them. -You're always having kickchull ideas to explain patterns of behavior or improve society, but whenever you try to tell it to other people you realize that you've done a bad job explaining it and they're skeptical of it despite how intuitively obvious it is (Story of my life) -You value rationality and try to see everything objectively. Sentiment has absolutely no value to you (unless it has to do with works of fiction, where the suspension of disbelief can allow you to attach emotional opinions to things) -You pretend that you don't want to be in charge when you're in a group, but you actually secretly do because you know that things would turn out better if you did -You really only respect people who have strong, rational, opinions about things. -You want everything to be clear and efficient, and you're constantly having ideas to make things better -You're really cynical about ads. Really cynical, because you mostly look at the intention behind it instead of the actual ad. -You try to be very honest with people. -You do have feelings but try your best to ignore them. You mostly ignore other peoples' feelings, too. And last but not least... -People think that your normal face looks like you're scowling at them. This is called the "Death Glare" phenomenon and is almost universal among INTJ's although I have no idea why. I'm not angry all the time. I'm usually not, in fact. Why the heck do people always think so? Edited June 6, 2015 by Mckeedee123 4
Kobold King he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Anyway, Kobold, if you're wondering, the big "points" of INTJ-ness are as follows: I fully sympathize with everything you just said. Each word seemed to speak to me on a basic, inherent level. Wow. This test rocks.
Silverblade5 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test I personally found this one to be more effective
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I fully sympathize with everything you just said. Each word seemed to speak to me on a basic, inherent level. Wow. This test rocks. Yep. That's what it feels like. I thought I was going to be forever alone in my brilliance until my brother (the INTP one) texted me about MBTI. Now I realize that there are a whole bunch of people who are pretty much just as smart as me and wonder why the world isn't way awesomer than it is because of it. (I don't feel bad pretending to be arrogant when I'm talking about the actual concept of INTJ-ness because, again, we have a huge reputation for arrogance)
Kaymyth she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Every time I've ever taken it, I've always landed solidly in INFP. And it fits, so there's that. Though these days, people who know me casually in real life are always shocked to find out that I'm an introvert. I'm an introvert who's really, really good at pretending to be an extrovert, provided I have a chance to recharge my spoons at reasonable intervals. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I'm definitely an introvert, and a pretty strong one at that. To make matters worse, literally everyone else in my immediate family is an extrovert. I heard "Be more social" quite a lot growing up. Oh, yeah. Be more social. Okay. I'll do that while you go be a duck. 4
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) Every time I've ever taken it, I've always landed solidly in INFP. And it fits, so there's that. Though these days, people who know me casually in real life are always shocked to find out that I'm an introvert. I'm an introvert who's really, really good at pretending to be an extrovert, provided I have a chance to recharge my spoons at reasonable intervals. I've taken multiple tests, and I get placed everywhere (though ISTP is the most common.) I don't trust them because they try and put everything in a subjective context. Do I like meeting new people? I like meeting them if they're interesting. Do I hang around the edges of a party instead of being in the fray? Depends on whether I know people. I usually have to end up substituting the answer that gives the test the information it wants from me instead of what I actually think, and even then I'll get some random personality. Yeah... introvert/extrovert isn't necessarily just loner vs. party animal. INFP's tend to be really, really nice and genuinely care about people (as opposed to INTJ's, [who I apparently must insert into every post,] who just literally can't make themselves care about other peoples' feelings even if they want to) I'm definitely an introvert, and a pretty strong one at that. To make matters worse, literally everyone else in my immediate family is an extrovert. I heard "Be more social" quite a lot growing up. Oh, yeah. Be more social. Okay. I'll do that while you go be a duck. Speaking of which, I think I read an article that posited that Western cultures tend to think that being extroverted is healthier whereas Eastern cultures tend to think that being introverted is healthier Edited June 6, 2015 by Mckeedee123 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Speaking of which, I think I read an article that posited that Western cultures tend to think that being extroverted is healthier whereas Eastern cultures tend to think that being introverted is healthier I've read a few articles about the importance Western cultures place on extroversion, and most of them seem to conclude it's not healthy. There's nothing wrong with either introversion or extroversion, but labeling one healthy and one unhealthy (as often happened with me, and as usually happens with introverts who go into professions like public speaking or the clergy) isn't good or fair to anyone.
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I'm a rather typical ENTJ. As Kobold said above, I fit virtually all of my personality type's common traits to a T. For example: (the good) I'm a very rational person. I get put in charge of almost every group I'm in where putting me in charge is an option, even when this places me above those with more seniority. I'm an excellent leader. When there is something I want other people to do, it gets done. The bad: I don't do emotions. It's very hard for me to feel emotional about something, and empathize with those who do. I'm rather ashamed to say this, but I have virtually zero empathy compared with most. My over-reliance on rationality over intuition or emotion causes me to shred people's ideas if I think they are irrational. I have lost friends this way. I view myself as in a higher class of intelligence than most people (when I don't think about it), and my impatience and arrogance comes back to bite me sometimes.
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 that was easy Aren't INTP/INTJ the two most common? To be honest, I see no real true difference between the last two letters for any of the types. I scored 49%/51% in favor of judging. They are among the most common types to be found on the Internet. Let's not forget Internet community are by no way representative of real life. There is a higher percentage of I people dwelling on the Internet than E people. Why? E people tend to prefer communicating person to person whereas Internet enable I people who are sometimes ill at ease in social gathering to find their place, hence the abnormal proportion of one type. You won't find a lot of ESFJ or ESFP on the Internet. I'm kinda of an exception. It is highly interesting when you start to read about these types. I have noticed several things I just missed about myself or others. I people can be very forward and at at ease in many social events: they need alone time to recharge. E people can be very shy and self-conscious in social gathering and even turned out looking completely different because their fear of being rejected blocks them out: they need to talk to recharge, so if they ran out of people to talk to, they are screwed. I, myself, am rather shy upon meeting new people because I dread they won't like me and yeah it has not gone away with age. I even avoid their eyes which is very untypical, but through me a bone and I'll babble endlessly I am VERY talkative. Every time I've ever taken it, I've always landed solidly in INFP. And it fits, so there's that. Though these days, people who know me casually in real life are always shocked to find out that I'm an introvert. I'm an introvert who's really, really good at pretending to be an extrovert, provided I have a chance to recharge my spoons at reasonable intervals. Many introverts are just like you... I married one I've read a few articles about the importance Western cultures place on extroversion, and most of them seem to conclude it's not healthy. There's nothing wrong with either introversion or extroversion, but labeling one healthy and one unhealthy (as often happened with me, and as usually happens with introverts who go into professions like public speaking or the clergy) isn't good or fair to anyone. Being extroverted is not great at all. Being an extroverted feeler is even worst. I dunno why it is said the Western culture puts a stronger emphasis over it, because each time I go on the Internet, I see the opposite. Extroverted people NEED contact to thrill in life, to gather their thoughts, to make decision, to think. They think when they speak which leads them to say quite a lot of crap in the process Other people thus end up dismissing us because they see us as irrational. They think we are unable to ration thought because we seem to wrap up in emotions they can't see it. Oh well, extroversion hardly is a fun thing to be. I wish I was more like my husband and I did not crave human contact so hard.
Quiver he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Well, I just took Lark's test, and apparently I'm an ISFJ? Dunno how reliable that is though; I hate personality tests. The answers are too... absolute for my liking.
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 So I just took a look at these personality types and I think I'm either a INTJ or a ISTJ, not sure which of the two fits me more.
Kaymyth she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I'm definitely an introvert, and a pretty strong one at that. To make matters worse, literally everyone else in my immediate family is an extrovert. I heard "Be more social" quite a lot growing up. Oh, yeah. Be more social. Okay. I'll do that while you go be a duck. Hah! That's perfect. And I feel your pain, though for me it was more the extended family rather than immediate. My parents never had any trouble with the fact that I was perfectly happy playing by myself. But when my dad's side of the family got together....ooh, is that ever a pile of extroverted people. Extremely nice, oh-so-happy to see you, talkative extroverts. I love them dearly, but as a kid I'd occasionally sneak off to read a book for a bit to recharge. And then they'd realize I was missing and come and find me and drag me back in. And I couldn't be mad at them, because it was such a genuine, "But we missed you!" sort of thing. I'm pretty sure that if "visiting" were an Olympic sport, my aunts and grandmother would all be multiple gold-metal winners. And I have cousins who have followed in their footsteps. I think my dad is considerably more introverted than his sisters. Many introverts are just like you... I married one My own husband leans strongly towards the introverted side, much more so than I do. The benefit of this is that we can spend time with each other without ever making any social demands on each other. We can share our bubble, so to speak. This has also gained him a reputation of being a Conversational Ninja amongst our friends. At gatherings, he'll settle in quietly, listening to all the conversation and letting people forget that he's there. And then he'll suddenly break in with a comment that has the entire room rolling on the floor with laughter. I love my husband. 4
The Honey Badger he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) I tested INTJ, but according to the results on Twi's link, I am weakly in the intuition and thinking spectrum, only 12 percent over. But my Introversion is 56%, and the Judging is 78%. I really identify with the introversion profile, I feel on edge in social situations and I often stick to the sides of a room. Though with my friends that all pretty much goes away. I'll take more tests and see how it looks on an average scoring. Edit to correct spelling and to tell you guys a cool statistic in a 1990 study by C.F. Gibbons, she discovered that INTJ is one of the four most common types for musicisans to have along with INFP, I am a musician as well so i guess that fits. Edited June 6, 2015 by The Honey Badger
Kasimir he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I generally score INTJ on tests, but have been known to score INTP as well on occasion--including during the fateful test we took to get sorted into our classes in secondary school. Unfortunately, they thought it'd be a great idea to put an I in a class of full-blown Es. Best four years of my life. Considering I'd rather hide under the furniture at parties, or when put in charge of a group of people, I'm probably very strongly I. I have my own qualms with personality tests (not least with so many aspects of how they're set up), but eh, they're interestingly fun, at least
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Being extroverted is not great at all. Being an extroverted feeler is even worst. I dunno why it is said the Western culture puts a stronger emphasis over it, because each time I go on the Internet, I see the opposite. Extroverted people NEED contact to thrill in life, to gather their thoughts, to make decision, to think. They think when they speak which leads them to say quite a lot of crap in the process Other people thus end up dismissing us because they see us as irrational. They think we are unable to ration thought because we seem to wrap up in emotions they can't see it. Oh well, extroversion hardly is a fun thing to be. I wish I was more like my husband and I did not crave human contact so hard. I don't get the emphasis, either, but I think it's bad being a fish out of water either way. I've found quite a few kindred spirits online, because we introverts find face-to-face interaction draining and would rather interact online, where we can think about what we want to say before we say it (sometimes for hours), ensure our wording is clear, and most of all be heard. A repeated difficulty I've run into, being a strong introvert in a family of strong extroverts, is that when one person talks over me, everyone else follows suit. Pretty soon they're having a lively conversation while I just sit there, unnoticed until it's starting to wind down and someone asks me why I've been so quiet. I don't know; maybe it's because no one seemed interested in what I had to say? Like this comic points out, introverts find most interaction exhausting and don't want to waste their energy on people who don't want them around. 1
little wilson she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I'm an E/ISTJ. My I-E preference doesn't get much higher than 10% on either side and I switch back and forth on them frequently. I've taken the test 3-4 times in the last 8 months and I've gotten both results. Two different sites as well--Human Metrics and 16 Personalities. I'm not sure which one I like more. The slider option on 16 Personalities is nice, particularly for the questions where you're more in the middle on the answer. The switch back and forth led me to take the ambivert test, and I'm pretty solidly an ambivert. While I tend to draw energy from people, I also like time to myself, I don't crave human interaction constantly, and I prefer having a very close group of friends as opposed to a large group of acquaintances. And yet, I can go two months straight with no nights to myself, and I'm not insane by the end of it. I think my goal is to get all of them as close to 0% preference as possible. Well, except J. I've got a 40-50% preference for J and I have no intentions of working to lower that at all. The P way of thinking just doesn't make sense to me at all. I'm all for a wide based of knowledge, but I need rules and goals and a set course of actions otherwise my brain can't handle the laxity. But anyway, that's the cool thing about this test. It's that saying that you're an INTJ or ESFJ doesn't necessarily mean you're exactly like someone else of that same personality type, because people have differing preferences. You could have one person with a 10% preference of I over E and another with a 90% preference. Sure, they're both I's, but one is very much more introverted than the other. Additionally, it's not like this is where you will always be. Personalities are ever-changing, and I feel like this helps you understand where you right now so you can work on other aspects that you might not be so good about. And then in a year, you can take the test again to see if anything has changed. In that aspect, it's different than some of the other personality tests out there, namely the color personality test, since that one has you answer based on how you were as a child. And I was yellow as a child. Hardcore yellow. I was blue as a teenager. Now I'm red/yellow. People change; that's just a fact. I think personality tests work best when they help reflect that change and perhaps help you to better understand them. 1
+Slowswift Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Last I checked I was an INFP. The I bit's debatable, though... call me a socially awkward extrovert? Or a more outgoing introvert? I don't even know. 1
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I don't get the emphasis, either, but I think it's bad being a fish out of water either way. I've found quite a few kindred spirits online, because we introverts find face-to-face interaction draining and would rather interact online, where we can think about what we want to say before we say it (sometimes for hours), ensure our wording is clear, and most of all be heard. A repeated difficulty I've run into, being a strong introvert in a family of strong extroverts, is that when one person talks over me, everyone else follows suit. Pretty soon they're having a lively conversation while I just sit there, unnoticed until it's starting to wind down and someone asks me why I've been so quiet. I don't know; maybe it's because no one seemed interested in what I had to say? Like this comic points out, introverts find most interaction exhausting and don't want to waste their energy on people who don't want them around. I don't get the emphasis, either, but I think it's bad being a fish out of water either way. I've found quite a few kindred spirits online, because we introverts find face-to-face interaction draining and would rather interact online, where we can think about what we want to say before we say it (sometimes for hours), ensure our wording is clear, and most of all be heard. A repeated difficulty I've run into, being a strong introvert in a family of strong extroverts, is that when one person talks over me, everyone else follows suit. Pretty soon they're having a lively conversation while I just sit there, unnoticed until it's starting to wind down and someone asks me why I've been so quiet. I don't know; maybe it's because no one seemed interested in what I had to say? Like this comic points out, introverts find most interaction exhausting and don't want to waste their energy on people who don't want them around. Oh I totally understands why introverted people, especially the strong ones, are happier having conversations on the Internet. It makes sense many would prefer this medium as opposed to person to person conversations. Thinking before you speak or you type is an awesome quality and the opposite sure is not desirable. When evolving in a family of extroverted you may feel out of the place or forgotten, but extroverted going on the outside world often have issues as well, albeit very different ones. Issues I personally have as an extroverted. I talk. I talk a lot. I am probably like your family members. I tend to speak up and when wrap up in by bubbly bubble I may not realize the poor introverted person who struggles to join in. I do not wish to be exclusive, but I can be, because I do not always control it well. However, in the real life, there are many introverted people or even extroverted ones in any advent, many, many, many people do not react well to this habit. In fact, it can get on most people's nerves, but I do not want to. I just sometimes cannot help it. I do not not want the shy introverted person to be around, that is not true, I want this person to talk to me, to open up. True extroverted are not discerning. They talk to anyone willing to listen, to anyone wanting to talk. They won't care. They will only care in YOU seem midly interested in sharing or engaging conversation or just listening to our endless babbles. This is my own personal sharp edge, the one I have working for the past decade to hon, to lessen, to improve, but still, I can be quite something, which is sad because extroverted people LOVE other people, but not all of us are good at saying it. So yeah, being extroverted is not always fun despite what the Western culture is trying to present.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Oh I totally understands why introverted people, especially the strong ones, are happier having conversations on the Internet. It makes sense many would prefer this medium as opposed to person to person conversations. Thinking before you speak or you type is an awesome quality and the opposite sure is not desirable. When evolving in a family of extroverted you may feel out of the place or forgotten, but extroverted going on the outside world often have issues as well, albeit very different ones. Issues I personally have as an extroverted. I talk. I talk a lot. I am probably like your family members. I tend to speak up and when wrap up in by bubbly bubble I may not realize the poor introverted person who struggles to join in. I do not wish to be exclusive, but I can be, because I do not always control it well. However, in the real life, there are many introverted people or even extroverted ones in any advent, many, many, many people do not react well to this habit. In fact, it can get on most people's nerves, but I do not want to. I just sometimes cannot help it. I do not not want the shy introverted person to be around, that is not true, I want this person to talk to me, to open up. True extroverted are not discerning. They talk to anyone willing to listen, to anyone wanting to talk. They won't care. They will only care in YOU seem midly interested in sharing or engaging conversation or just listening to our endless babbles. This is my own personal sharp edge, the one I have working for the past decade to hon, to lessen, to improve, but still, I can be quite something, which is sad because extroverted people LOVE other people, but not all of us are good at saying it. So yeah, being extroverted is not always fun despite what the Western culture is trying to present. I don't know if all parts of Western culture present it as fun; but those parts I'm familiar with do present it as desirable. Movies and TV shows have a nasty habit of presenting introversion as a character flaw, with the person who would rather be left alone usually learning a Valuable Lesson™ about how much more fun it is to have friends. (One awesome exception from when I was a kid was the show Arthur, where the shy and quiet Fern preferred being alone, and was praised not for "being more social" on her outgoing mother's terms, but for using her remarkable storytelling talent to find others who shared her interests.) In my parents' social circles, being sociable wasn't seen as a personality trait so much as a quality anyone could and should cultivate. There's a lot of emphasis placed on "being hospitable," which in this case means inviting a lot of people over to your house, being willing to talk with everyone, and basically being a social butterfly. The ability to strike up a conversation with a perfect stranger is usually seen as something anyone can and should do. I was chided more than once for sitting in my room and recharging when my parents had friends or relatives over. They said I was being rude, but the way I saw it, I had to spend time alone lest I break down in front of everyone. 1
Silverblade5 he/him Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) I'm apparently an ISFJ. Either that, or an INFP. Still can't decide. Edited June 6, 2015 by Silverblade5
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 I'm the only E in a family of I's. They hate conflict, so I can't disagree with any traditional thing without drawing the wrath of my parents. My parents won't let me go to a lot of events because they "don't understand why I want to go." The heck?! Because people! They resent me for having a good reputation as a leader. I don't have a bad life, though.
the Gleeman he/him Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 So next task: turn all the Sanderson characters into personality types. Who first?
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