Shattered he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Well. as said in canon fighting illusionists is troublesome. The most effective way to pretend that he has a PI would be to create a double of himself and make it seem as if he was intangible, so even suprise contact with the illusion doesn't mean the gig is up. However, once he starts using illusions otherwise most people would probably be able to notice the trick and (in the case of Astoria) just start throwing so much damage around that they'll hit him by accident. Well, he'll have some partners in crime, so that's less of a concern. Normally he wouldn't participate in a fight directly, just interfere to help his allies, and possibly manifesting an illusion of himself. But here's what I'm really thinking about: I was wondering if it was plausible, since it's a mental illusionist and not a photon-manipulator, to have him affect other senses, thereby making it seem as if his illusions have substance by producing accompanying sound effects and touch.
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Well, he'll have some partners in crime, so that's less of a concern. Normally he wouldn't participate in a fight directly, just interfere to help his allies, and possibly manifesting an illusion of himself. But here's what I'm really thinking about: I was wondering if it was plausible, since it's a mental illusionist and not a photon-manipulator, to have him affect other senses, thereby making it seem as if his illusions have substance by producing accompanying sound effects and touch. Yes and no, with touch the illusion would still just pass through them, so creating a sense of touch wouldn't do much except confuse the opponent.
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) I'd actually planned on doing Lightwards. What can I say? I made him in need of a lot of psychological help. Edited June 14, 2015 by Kobold King 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 What can I say? I made him in need of a lot of psychological help. Also, on the latest episode of "Kobold King is Physically Incapable of Listening To Music Without Thinking of the RP," Kobold listens to Breaking Down the Borders by miracleofsound and wonders if it could be the theme song of a combat-oriented Oregon thread. Because we're breaking down the borders As we light up the land... Lulu for Lucky Charms so to speak. Great, now I have to walk through some of his songs again to see if I see sme other connections like You died https://youtu.be/i9D2mvoMKLE as a homage to all resurection Epics and how their condition means people are more liberally allowed to kill them or as an obvious candidate Calamity https://youtu.be/HgOXGf6Pzzo Although that one has a bit of a hopeful note. I think he also has one called Cries of a dead world. The cries of a dead world Callin' out in pain Red skies on the desert 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) Lulu for Lucky Charms so to speak. Great, now I have to walk through some of his songs again to see if I see sme other connections like You died https://youtu.be/i9D2mvoMKLE as a homage to all resurection Epics and how their condition means people are more liberally allowed to kill them or as an obvious candidate Calamity https://youtu.be/HgOXGf6Pzzo Although that one has a bit of a hopeful note. I think he also has one called Cries of a dead world. The cries of a dead world Callin' out in pain Red skies on the desert Those definitely seem to work... ...though I'm inclined to ask why the giant wolf in the Dark Souls video is swinging a Shardblade around. Edited June 14, 2015 by Kobold King
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 Lightwards in a session with Autumn is now a WHOOC. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Lightwards in a session with Autumn is now a WHOOC. That was awesome in every possible way. I hope you don't mind, but I wrote a quick sequel to show that Autumn shouldn't have been quite as confident as she was.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 That was awesome in every possible way. I hope you don't mind, but I wrote a quick sequel to show that Autumn shouldn't have been quite as confident as she was. I don't mind at all. The Master of Burgers won't be contained for long. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I don't mind at all. The Master of Burgers won't be contained for long. Motion to make this Lightwards' new fanon nickname? 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 Motion to make this Lightwards' new fanon nickname? Motion carried. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Motion carried. "Master of Burgers" he is, then. Now we just need to let him animate a burger in the actual RP, so Sam can realistically come up with it and start calling him that. Also, am I the only one who kind of wants to see a fight between Edgerunner and a cow-riding, gun-toting Lightwards? 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 "Master of Burgers" he is, then. Now we just need to let him animate a burger in the actual RP, so Sam can realistically come up with it and start calling him that. Also, am I the only one who kind of wants to see a fight between Edgerunner and a cow-riding, gun-toting Lightwards? It's a shame the lack of McDonalds will make this a bit more difficult. Bonus points will be awarded if he finds a cowboy hat and puts it on. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 It's a shame the lack of McDonalds will make this a bit more difficult. Bonus points will be awarded if he finds a cowboy hat and puts it on. You know, I don't think we ever decided what would happen if Lightwards tried to animate one of Big Al's McMuffins. Can it be a shamrock-green cowboy hat, somehow? 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 Kobold, I had a question. And this may be the most important question you will ever answer. Is the universe where Lightwards was captured by the City Guard the same universe where Deathwish drank that Coke? 1
Kobold King he/him Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Kobold, I had a question. And this may be the most important question you will ever answer. Is the universe where Lightwards was captured by the City Guard the same universe where Deathwish drank that Coke? This is the Question. The ultimate Question. I have waited my whole life for this Question. The Answer is simple: It is if you want it to be. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 This is the Question. The ultimate Question. I have waited my whole life for this Question. The Answer is simple: It is if you want it to be. This requires a bit more thought.
Voidus Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) The plan is to make him extremely powerful. Powerful enough to survive in Astoria by making people think that he has a PI, while also just being very effective with his illusions in general. That'd be around tier 4 in my headcanon system, possibly tier 5 but I only use tier 5 in Steelheart/Obliteration level of OP. Tier 4: Capable of affecting a wide range of senses in a useful manner or having the ability to manipulate one sense to the maximum possible degree. Eg. Manipulating touch, sounds and sight to create a far more interactable version of the illusionist to act as a proxy, as a hallucination rather than a straight up illusion this would be even more convincing, the subjects mind compensating for any events that would otherwise expose the illusion for what it is. Eg2: Manipulating sight to the extreme, capable of leaving a permanent hallucination in his subject long after the Epic himself is gone, can cause permanent blindness. Edited June 15, 2015 by Voidus 2
Shattered he/him Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) That'd be around tier 4 in my headcanon system, possibly tier 5 but I only use tier 5 in Steelheart/Obliteration level of OP. Tier 4: Capable of affecting a wide range of senses in a useful manner or having the ability to manipulate one sense to the maximum possible degree. Eg. Manipulating touch, sounds and sight to create a far more interactable version of the illusionist to act as a proxy, as a hallucination rather than a straight up illusion this would be even more convincing, the subjects mind compensating for any events that would otherwise expose the illusion for what it is. Eg2: Manipulating sight to the extreme, capable of leaving a permanent hallucination in his subject long after the Epic himself is gone, can cause permanent blindness. Yes, thanks for this! This is what I was looking for. Now, time to create Phantasm. EDIT: Forgot to include this. I'm trying to make this guy as Epic as possible *badum tss*, so any input to help increase his coolness factor is much appreciated. As previously stated, he is a mental illusionist, and I'm collaborating with Bridge Boy and Paranoid King to bring Thoron, Phantasm, and Flashback into Astoria, with the latter two manipulating the former's desire to be a hero, possibly in a bid for control of Astoria. Which might actually require more power on Phantasm's part, though possibly not. What's T5, Voidus? EDIT EDIT: My initial idea of him leaned more toward hallucinations than illusions. Is that a separate classification, or are hallucinatory Epics a powerful subset of illusionists? Edited June 15, 2015 by Shattered Logic
Blackhoof Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) It depends who you ask. David listed them separately- he decided that hallucination Epics have more in common with mind-affecting Epics (like mind-control ones) than they do with illusionists, who themselves are closer to light-manipulating Epics because they manipulate photons to create images. But Tia was intrigued that he made this distinction, implying that lorists don't, and probably group them together instead. EDIT: I also wouldn't classify hallucinators as necessarily "more powerful" than illusionists. For one, no matter their power level, everyone can see an image that is created by an illusionist. Whereas a hallucinator has to specifically target each person to give them the image. But by the same token, hallucinators can (if powerful enough) give different people different images whereas illusionists cant. So the distinction is actually a fascinating one that changes a great deal about the applications of their powers. I think David is right to separate them. Edited June 15, 2015 by Blackhoof
Voidus Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Yes, thanks for this! This is what I was looking for. Now, time to create Phantasm. EDIT: Forgot to include this. I'm trying to make this guy as Epic as possible *badum tss*, so any input to help increase his coolness factor is much appreciated. As previously stated, he is a mental illusionist, and I'm collaborating with Bridge Boy and Paranoid King to bring Thoron, Phantasm, and Flashback into Astoria, with the latter two manipulating the former's desire to be a hero, possibly in a bid for control of Astoria. Which might actually require more power on Phantasm's part, though possibly not. What's T5, Voidus? EDIT EDIT: My initial idea of him leaned more toward hallucinations than illusions. Is that a separate classification, or are hallucinatory Epics a powerful subset of illusionists? Tier 5 is having multiple sensory powers at the highest level and altering more obscure senses such as pain, balance hunger and thirst over a wide area. So they could cause an entire city to go blind and deaf and feel nothing but pain. Mental illusionists are hallucinatory, as Blackhoof said they have more in common with mind controlling Epics which we learned a bit about in the recent AMA so I have my suspicions on what the similarities would be. It depends who you ask. David listed them separately- he decided that hallucination Epics have more in common with mind-affecting Epics (like mind-control ones) than they do with illusionists, who themselves are closer to light-manipulating Epics because they manipulate photons to create images. But Tia was intrigued that he made this distinction, implying that lorists don't, and probably group them together instead. EDIT: I also wouldn't classify hallucinators as necessarily "more powerful" than illusionists. For one, no matter their power level, everyone can see an image that is created by an illusionist. Whereas a hallucinator has to specifically target each person to give them the image. But by the same token, hallucinators can (if powerful enough) give different people different images whereas illusionists cant. So the distinction is actually a fascinating one that changes a great deal about the applications of their powers. I think David is right to separate them. Well if David noticed those differences it means they exist, most lorists probably just don't think they're important enough to note. Not more powerful just different. You could see through a mental illusionist by using a video camera but not a photonic illusionist.
Blaze1616 he/him Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Insight is an incorporeal in Corvallis, but another one would be welcome, and Smoke is quite different. To be fair, Brandon has said that truly unique powers are rare, so having epics with similar powers probably makes us closer to canon than farther from it. I'd guess it's more about unique power combinations than anything. I'm planning out a healer character for Corvallis. Right now, I'm thinking a damage transference power, similar to Deathwish and Decoy (that NPC epic who died in my first Corvallis post). This epic would basically have the power to transfer damage from one body (the patient) to another. Both have to be living, so it wouldn't work to transfer the injuries to corpses. What I like with this power is it works well with Euphoria's ability, and could cause problems without Euphoria to compliment it. What I'm imagining is that this epic transfers injuries and illnesses from more useful people (mostly epics) to less useful people (usually vanillas), and keeps a bunch of invalids around to transfer injuries and illnesses to until they die of them. These invalids would be kept happy with their state by Euphoria's power, but with her gone, I think they will become much less satisfied with their situation, causing problems for the Doctor. Thoughts? Sorry for the absence, I hope me offering my two cents is still welcome: If he's teaming up with Euphoria to keep the vanillas happy as they're being injured, why would he not instead team up with Buttercup, whose healing power would take care of any injury other than severe head wounds and/or heart piercings/crushings? Other than that little detail I see nothing wrong, and even him choosing Euphoria over Buttercup isn't "wrong" so much as potentially less effective. 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Lightwards in a session with Autumn is now a WHOOC. And the best thing about it is that Vapor Snake being there means that even if the Master of Burgers got a gun, shoothing Autumn would have been completely useless. You know, I don't think we ever decided what would happen if Lightwards tried to animate one of Big Al's McMuffins. Well, the burger was never alive, so raising it shouldn't really be possible.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 And the best thing about it is that Vapor Snake being there means that even if the Master of Burgers got a gun, shoothing Autumn would have been completely useless. Well, the burger was never alive, so raising it shouldn't really be possible. Exactly why I put him there. Unless Al has a very limited version of Firefight's power that allows him to pull McMuffins from a dimension where they are common, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Exactly why I put him there. Unless Al has a very limited version of Firefight's power that allows him to pull McMuffins from a dimension where they are common, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Somewhere down this WHOOC story line the MoB has to shoot her just to suffer the shame of defeat. Does that mean they are firebreathing paralel dimension cows with wings?
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 Somewhere down this WHOOC story line the MoB has to shoot her just to suffer the shame of defeat. Does that mean they are firebreathing paralel dimension cows with wings? With all the mental decay he's suffered prior to this storyline, the shock of seeing her not die would probably break him. Or maybe they're genetically modified cows (like the bovine version of the chickens an urban legend said McDonalds uses) with no eyes, teeth, or legs.
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