Quick Fix Game 6: A Time of Nightmares

[phattemer]

OK, thanks for destroying my sense of worthlessness. If that would have worked, then every hard object near me would be destroyed by the force of my skull. Thanks fr the great write-ups Hero! Do you know when the next game is/where the sign-up is?

[Herowannabe he/him]

OK, thanks for destroying my sense of worthlessness. If that would have worked, then every hard object near me would be destroyed by the force of my skull. Thanks fr the great write-ups Hero! Do you know when the next game is/where the sign-up is?

 

You actually played very well, especially for it being your first game. Most of the suspicion on you actually came about on day 1 when Pifferdoo didn't make a kill. Several people thought that maybe there was an inactive Nightmare, and you were inactive for nearly the whole first day, so a couple of them started going after you and never really let go even when it became obvious that none of the Nightmares were going to make a kill. The only thing I can think of that you could have done to make a difference was to assassinate Kasimir a day or two earlier. His spreading of information in the Cryptologist messages really hurt you guys, especially since he guessed all 3 of the remaining Nightmares after Pifferdoo was killed. Plus, if he hadn't started out day 7 by voting for you then you may have been able to slip under the radar for a while longer.

 

 

Could the matchmaker match Stephen and the target of the lynch? I want to know if I could win for the NA by doing that.

 

Ha ha that would have been funny, but no. Stephen was immune to all role powers, including the bodyguard and the nightmare kills

Edited February 27, 2015 by Herowannabe

[phattemer]

Thanks for the tips. Will definitely keep those in mind. Does the length of the game usually vary in an order, i.e. QF to LG to MR?

[Peng the Just he/him]

Could the matchmaker match Stephen and the target of the lynch? I want to know if I could win for the NA by doing that.

 

So, the flavor behind that is that Steven fell in love with his imaginary friend, then committed suicide when she died? I'm pretty sure they lock people like that up in padded cells.

[little wilson she/her]

Thanks for the tips. Will definitely keep those in mind. Does the length of the game usually vary in an order, i.e. QF to LG to MR?

 

The Quick Fixes (QF) are the shortest games and the Long Games (LG) are the longest. The Mid-Ranges (MR) are in between the two. Sometimes, some of the games will be longer or shorter depending on the circumstances in the games, but that's typically how it is. You can read more about the formats here (it's toward the bottom of that first post).

[phattemer]

I mean will the next one after a QF typically be a long game.

[little wilson she/her]

I mean will the next one after a QF typically be a long game.

 

Ah. I see what you mean. Not really. When we have enough players for the games, we try to run multiple games at a time. LG's run back-to-back, with a QF running in the middle of a LG and a MR running between the QF (so they typically start toward the end of a LG and run through the LG sign-up period and end after the next LG has started). We try to make it so there's almost always a game to sign up for. But we're currently trying to get back on track with that schedule, since we had to run the games single file from about September-January since we didn't have the player numbers to support double games.

[phattemer]

So it would look like this

red=long game

blue= mid range

orange=quick fix

 

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So there would amost always be two games at once. I was looking at the game creation thread earlier. Do you know who is up next to GM? Someone mentioned a list...

[Herowannabe he/him]

The Quick Fixes (QF) are the shortest games and the Long Games (LG) are the longest. The Mid-Ranges (MR) are in between the two. Sometimes, some of the games will be longer or shorter depending on the circumstances in the games, but that's typically how it is. You can read more about the formats here (it's toward the bottom of that first post).

Woah, I got a little hasty with my upvotes and upvoted your post, but then realized that I didn't want to be the one to knock you off of Torturer of Heralds, so I downvoted this one to bring you back to 666. Sorry about that.

Edited February 27, 2015 by Herowannabe

[little wilson she/her]

So it would look like this

red=long game

blue= mid range

orange=quick fix

 

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      -----            ------          ------           -----

--            -------         -------         --------        -----

 

So there would amost always be two games at once. I was looking at the game creation thread earlier. Do you know who is up next to GM? Someone mentioned a list...

 

Exactly. The GM list is in the Sanderson Elimination General Rules thread. Second post. However, some people have to pass when it gets to their turn (they don't lose their spot when they have to pass), because they don't have time to GM a game. That's the case with both the LG and the MR right now. The next LG game is either going to be Newan and Aonar or Wyrm, if they can't. The next MR is Alvron, and he'll be posting sign-ups in the next day or two. To get things back on track, we'll let the MR run for a week or so before starting sign-ups for the LG.

 

Woah, I got a little hasty with my upvotes and upvoted your post, but then realized that I didn't want to be the one to knock you off of Torturer of Heralds, so I downvoted this one to bring you back to 666. Sorry about that.

 

Haha. I'm not worried. I was Torturer of Heralds for a good 3 days. That's quite long enough for me.

 

 

And lastly, I want to say something about upvotes during games. We've had two issues now that bend the Fair Play rules rather heavily. Granted, we don't mention upvotes in the etiquette policy (that will be recitified shortly), but I still expect the dead and others who know who the eliminators are to not give that away to the players in the game by upvoting living players who vote for the eliminators.

 

What do I mean by this? We had a cycle this game (Cycle 5) where someone (or multiple someones) upvoted every person who voted for an eliminator (with the exception of Meta). Those who did not vote for an eliminator did not get an upvote. Certain players pay attention to upvotes, and if they notice that multiple people all voting for one person are all getting upvoted, but no one else is, that's a pretty telling sign that an eliminator has been found. Especially in a game like this, where there wasn't even any reasons or commentary to go along with the votes. It was just the votes. So people were getting upvoted based solely on the votes.

 

Please note that I'm not saying don't upvote. If someone makes a really good case for another player, and you want to upvote them for it, go right ahead. But if you're dead and you know who the eliminators are, you should probably do the same thing for eliminators who make really good cases for a villager, just to stay unbiased (and if you can't, you probably shouldn't be upvoting while the game is running). I want to mention an example in the AG, which was the first time we had an issue with upvotes potentially revealing eliminators. This post. In it, Newan made a pretty decent case, although it was a little brusque. Normally, I would expect a post like that to acquire somewhere between 1-3 upvotes. However, it has 6, and I'm pretty sure at one point, it had 7. Why? Because of who he was voting for and calling out. Both Weiry and Claincy were eliminators that game. If the living players had been paying more attention to the upvotes, the dead's reaction to that post would've been a clear giveaway that both Claincy and Weiry were eliminators.

 

Like I said, this doesn't mean you can't upvote good posts. However, when they're good posts and they're also voting for eliminators, use your best judgement. I saw Newan's post when it had 2 other upvotes. I upvoted it. Had I'd seen it instead when it had 4-5, I wouldn't have touched it, especially when all the other posts around it didn't have nearly the same amount of upvotes.

 

Basically, we don't want any messages crossing over from the dead to the living, especially messages like "This person you're voting for is an eliminator. Kill them."

 

We'll add something about the rep system to the etiquette policy (found here), but I figured I'd say something in this thread as well, just to ensure more people see it. Thank you in advance for paying attention to this in the future, and also for being such great players/people. These games are great because you guys make them great.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Thanks, Hero! This was a fun game, even if it was quick! I think the biggest issue with this was just that the room killing at first severely limited us, but you fixed that, so I really liked the setup of the game. The one thing I didn't like was editing posts to update votes. It makes it a lot harder to keep track of. 

 

Thanks! And good job to the regular aspects, particularly Kas and Joe. And Aonar for that code.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Well many thanks for Hero for GMing such a great game! And you did a fantastic job of the write-ups, and have definitely piqued my interest in Legion!

And mostly, I would like to chalk this win up to most of the other Villagers! XD I honestly didn't do much at all this game, just lightly chatted, tossed a few votes out, and engaged in minimal conversation. (Of course I do think I was always in a room with at least one Nightmare, so that could explain why my initial attempts at discussion didn't warrant too much)
But yeah, I didn't do too much in terms of footwork, analysis, or actively helping the Villagers to their win this game, so great job guys!

And yeah, this game would have been tricky as a Nightmare Aspect. Especially with the original room based rules, I probably would have waited to make kills when I was a NM as well for the first few nights. I think they did a great job, even if they did get tracked down in quick succession, it was just the nature of how this particular game worked out.

Also, The Cryptologist did a great job with all the Info Dumps and letting everybody know what was going on, since that's what was needed for this game for us to work with. And some of those Codes are rather impressive, even if I didn't even bother working with any of them myself. XD

I will try and come back later today when I have more time and get some Final Din RP in!

[Herowannabe he/him]

@Little Wilson: thank you for addressing that, although personally I would take it a step farther and say that if you're dead/spectating and you know who the Eliminators are (heck, even if you don't know who they are) then you shouldn't be upvoting anyone's vote during the game. It's the equivalent of posting in the main thread a ghost-post that says "Gee, player X, I really like your last argument and vote, for reasons that I'm not allowed to talk about." Not cool. If you see a post you really like I would say make a mental note of it then wait until the end of the game then go upvote it.

That's my opinion anyway.

Re: everyone else: thanks again, I had a lot of fun doing the writeups. Every day I sat down to write a new one I would tell myself "okay, I'm going to keep this one short and sweet" and then I'd write for an hour or more. The last day's writeup took me two full hours.

Also, I don't think anyone has said anything about it yet here, but Joe also deserves special mention. He was just as helpful to team good, IMO, as Kasimir was, it just wasn't as visible. As the psychologist he examined, in this order: Pifferdoo (Nightmare), Luckat (Espionage Agent), Kasimir (Cryptologist), and Cheesy (Bodyguard), and the. He was killed by back to back attacks from the nightmares that the bodyguard couldn't save him from. He began the push for lynching Pifferdoo and once Piff got lynched it revealed a lot of info about the other nightmares because of how they voted.

If it wasn't for Joe's very successful run as a seeker then we would have had a very different game. Good job Joe. If I am the quintessential Tineye then you definitely deserve the title of Quintissential Seeker.

[Kasimir he/him]

TBH, I'm absolutely agreed on how crucial (plus on-target!) Joe's Seekings were. And his outing himself as the Psychologist (well, although I suppose he didn't mean to do so, at least not with how he convinced the Lounge that he was the Psychologist) was the turning point in being able to trace the connections between the Eliminators. It was also crucial in at least convincing paranoid players like me that we could trust Luckat and connect with her.

 

In a sense, I would say that his revealing that Luckat was the Espionage Agent and I was the Cryptologist in the room with Piff really forced the issue in a good way, too: we didn't have to hide having access to information we weren't supposed to have and could just play it from there.

 

So yes. I take my hat (hood?) off to you, Joe

Edited February 28, 2015 by Kasimir

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I just got lucky in who I started with. BUt thanks anyway, and good job to everyone else.

[luckat she/her]

Hero, thanks for running a great game! It was a lot of fun. 

 

Kas, I agree with everyone who has said that those were some really impressive and helpful messages.

 

Joe, congrats on your awesome seeking streak, and good job making good use of the results.

 

Nightmares, I think you all did well, especially considering the lack of communication. It was a game well played.

 

Winter, Clare and Lily are lovers now, huh? Sounds good. 

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Thanks for the game, Hero. 

 

Admittedly, I did do nothing but pop in and out of the game. Sorry. 

 

Edit: My name was only ever mentioned ONCE in the Dead/Spectator Doc. That's how inactive I was.

Edited March 3, 2015 by Lightsworn Panda

[Herowannabe he/him]

Thanks for the game, Hero. 

 

Admittedly, I did do nothing but pop in and out of the game. Sorry. 

 

Edit: My name was only ever mentioned ONCE in the Dead/Spectator Doc. That's how inactive I was.

 

It really was a shame. I was looking forward to doing more with your Stuffed Panda paranoia. As it was I was only able to work it in briefly in the final writeup. Oh well.

 

I think I'll go ahead and have Wilson close this thread down. Thanks again everyone!

[little wilson she/her]

As requested, I'm closing the thread down. Thanks, Hero, for running a great game! Despite the issues with the rooms, it seemed to run well, and it looks like everyone had a good time.

 

And as always, if any of you would like to try your hand at running a game yourself, please get a hold of Gamma, Meta or me. Not only will we get you added to the list of your choice, but we'd all be more than willing to help you out in any way we can.

 

You can also ask questions and get some hints and feedback from everyone in our Art of Game Creation thread. With all the games that we've run so far, we have plenty of experienced GMs that can help you refine any game you're thinking about.

 

Lastly, if you need to find a new outlet for manipulation and intrigue, sign-ups are currently going on for Mid-Range 5: Competing Realities, so you're quite welcome to get your daily/hourly elimination fix there.